What is your dream PCT Stack?

Boonfly8

Boonfly8

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Hey AM!

I have a 1-andro only log going (search for my username) right now and I’m mid way through an 8 week cycle. Because of the discounts that are happening in the new year offered by different supplement distributors, I am interested in hearing what would be your dream PCT stack to maximize all gains during cycle.

Basic info:
Male / 32yr / intermediate lifter / 180lb / eating slightly above maintenance

330mg 1-Testosterone by Hi-tech , first ever cycle

Cycle support: Ironmag Advanced Cycle support, TUDCA, fish oil, Cissus, glucosamine, hylaudronic acid , multivitamin (includes zinc , D3, calcium).

Current PCT plan: Nolvadex(20/20/20/20)...comes in 20mg per pill, M-Test (got 2 bottles), keep taking all above cycle support supps, keeping calories at surplus, trying to keep lift heavy and not go down in weight as much as I can.

Besides the basics mentioned above, what other supplements, protocols would you suggest if resources truly wasn’t an issue (only limited by the number of pills you're willing to swallow :) with the goal to maximize muscle and strength retention? Would you add epicatechin? Sapogenix?

Thanks and Happy New Year!

Edit: Please excuse the multiple threads. My internet lagged and it made duplicate threads. Sorry!
 
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your pct is perfect. you can add reduce xt which is a very good addition for every pct ,imo.and of course creatine. generally supps which help to keep gains are reduce xt, arachidonic acid(x gels/x factor) ,creatine ,anabolic effect(CEL)
 
nikosktm said:
your pct is perfect. you can add reduce xt which is a very good addition for every pct ,imo.and of course creatine. generally supps which help to keep gains are reduce xt, arachidonic acid(x gels/x factor) ,creatine ,anabolic effect(CEL)
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Hey Nikosktm, thanks for the reply. Creatine is already included with prewo. I might add a scoop to my morning shake. I did a little research before about CEL anabolic effect - what would you say is the added benefit vs me already having M-Test? Will look into arachidonic acid, I have tried it before but maybe I will see more value this time to keep gains after cycle.
 
As mention before to ensure that you keep your gain a natty anabolic like CEL anabolic effect would be the icing on the cake
 
Boonfly8 said:
Hey Nikosktm, thanks for the reply. Creatine is already included with prewo. I might add a scoop to my morning shake. I did a little research before about CEL anabolic effect - what would you say is the added benefit vs me already having M-Test? Will look into arachidonic acid, I have tried it before but maybe I will see more value this time to keep gains after cycle.
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m test is enough for your pct and along with the serm your recovery will be very fast. anabolic effect is an extra key for your pct . actually i suggest you this cause am seeing that you talk about epicatechin and i think that anabolic effect or ARA will give you better results than epi.if you dont want to spent money the best pct for every every cycle imo is SERM+TEST BOOSTER+ANTICORTISOL SUPPfor example nolvadex +m test +reduce xt
 
nikosktm said:
your pct is perfect. you can add reduce xt which is a very good addition for every pct ,imo.and of course creatine. generally supps which help to keep gains are reduce xt, arachidonic acid(x gels/x factor) ,creatine ,anabolic effect(CEL)
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This ^ and make sure to keep your calories above maintenance and your workouts on point. I used Ara + creatine after a Ostarine cycle. Kept all my gains and then some. Also, you might consider MK-677 if your down for that. It shouldn’t affect your HPTA and keep growth hoeing through a different pathway.
 
Definitely going to get reduce XT, (forgot about a cortisol blocker)! I’ll also get CEL as well. As for ara, I do eat red meat quite frequently (especially lean(er) strip steak as I like to grill often) but Nonetheless I may look to supplement with ara.

@Fly_boy, MK-677 is an interesting option. Did my homework and still considering the positives and negatives... it’s kind of annoying to be hungry all the time and it also contributes to lethargy (be a nice break to not feel that after 1-andro). But if it does help , I may just tough it out at 25mg for 6 weeks. Has your test subject tried MK-677?

Epi looks interesting...and no one here likes the Russian studied laxogin huh lol
 
Boonfly8 said:
Definitely going to get reduce XT, (forgot about a cortisol blocker)! I’ll also get CEL as well. As for ara, I do eat red meat quite frequently (especially lean(er) strip steak as I like to grill often) but Nonetheless I may look to supplement with ara.

@Fly_boy, MK-677 is an interesting option. Did my homework and still considering the positives and negatives... it’s kind of annoying to be hungry all the time and it also contributes to lethargy (be a nice break to not feel that after 1-andro). But if it does help , I may just tough it out at 25mg for 6 weeks. Has your test subject tried MK-677?

Epi looks interesting...and no one here likes the Russian studied laxogin huh lol
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MK-677 is currently being tested solo at 10mg. Two rounds of 8 days on, and 4 days off to combat desensitization. Subject has so far experienced great sleep, some hunger but nothing extreme. Great muscle fullness and pumps. 3-4 lbs weight increase, probably water. Some acute instances (but very few) of lethargy but it tends to hit and then subsides. Going to bump it up to 20mg for next round. Subject will be getting bloods to see IGF-1 and blood glucose levels next week.

I’ve also tried epi and laxo, but didn’t get much out of them.
 
Oh sorry I meant if he’s taking beberine to help with the potential diabetic risks.


I’m curious to see how you feel once you up to 20mg. From my research most studies are in the 25mg mark. I hate being hungry, loses focus, workout motivation ,and sleep
 
Boonfly8 said:
Oh sorry I meant if he’s taking beberine to help with the potential diabetic risks.


I’m curious to see how you feel once you up to 20mg. From my research most studies are in the 25mg mark. I hate being hungry, loses focus, workout motivation ,and sleep
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It definitely increases hunger but that subsides after 3 weeks or so. I crave carbs something fierce on it. you just have to eat clean
 
dvw said:
It definitely increases hunger but that subsides after 3 weeks or so. I crave carbs something fierce on it. you just have to eat clean
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I actually like the increase in appetite. But I’m a hard gainer and struggle to eat enough.
 
I have made an initial shopping list from your suggestions

Definite buys
Reduce XT (what do you guys dose this at per day? Directions on bottle is very flexible)
X Gels (do you guys take this pre-workout?, saw a lot of ppl suggesting taking it pre)
Anabolic Effect

Maybe
Follidrone 2.0
GW + Glucose support

I'm still undecided about Follidrone 2.0 as in PCT i'm trying to retain muscle already built, not exactly need myostain inhibitors to create more new muscle (although no harm). I'm apprehensive about GW because my glucose is on the high range and I'm thinking to just see how I do with natural supps. @Fly_boy, are you doing a log by any chance?
 
Boonfly8 said:
I have made an initial shopping list from your suggestions

Definite buys
Reduce XT (what do you guys dose this at per day? Directions on bottle is very flexible)
X Gels (do you guys take this pre-workout?, saw a lot of ppl suggesting taking it pre)
Anabolic Effect

Maybe
Follidrone 2.0
GW + Glucose support

I'm still undecided about Follidrone 2.0 as in PCT i'm trying to retain muscle already built, not exactly need myostain inhibitors to create more new muscle (although no harm). I'm apprehensive about GW because my glucose is on the high range and I'm thinking to just see how I do with natural supps. @Fly_boy, are you doing a log by any chance?
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I took X gels pre workout. Pumps were pretty good.
Do you mean MK? We haven’t discussed GW.
I’m not doing a log but will post my general experience, thoughts and bloodwork. I’m just trying to see how I react to it and will stack it with my next cycle (still undecided if I’m going to stay natty with AE or do 1/4 Andro). I just started 20 mg last night, so far so good. Great sleep, great pumps, hunger isn’t too bad.
 
Yep I meant MK! Sorry been doing all kinds of research and got the nomenclatures messed up

Haven’t had a blood glucose test but last time I did (2yrs ago) and 30lbs heavier ,I was borderline diabetic. That’s why I’m hesitant to add MK, or else I would lol
 
For Reduce XT how are you guys taking this? The directions say “As a dietary supplement, take 1 to 2 capsules 2 to 3 times per day. For best results, take one serving upon waking, one serving 4 hours later (or 30 to 60 minutes prior to training), and then one serving before bedtime.”

Do you guys do 1cap 3x daily or 2caps 3x daily
 
I'd say start with 1 cap and then gradually move toward 2 caps 3 times per day.
 
Cycle support thoughout
Clomid
Mtest + Sustain Alpha ( 8-12 weeks )
Anabolic Effect + Xgels or epi plex ( 8-12 weeks )
 
LeanEngineer said:
I'd say start with 1 cap and then gradually move toward 2 caps 3 times per day.
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^ yup this .. take 1 cap for 1st 3 days .. and then introduce the 2nd cap

( i felt 2 caps have been plenty to deliver what it says on the label and joints feel good on it ..anything over 2 you can run into issue - so increase it slowly if you have too .. very potent stuff )
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
Cycle support thoughout
Clomid
Mtest + Sustain Alpha ( 8-12 weeks )
Anabolic Effect + Xgels or epi plex ( 8-12 weeks )
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i am a huge fan of the m-test sustain alpha combo, have personally used several times with very good results and will use again.
 
Lot's of good rec's in here. Topical Ursolic from Apex Alchemy is another good addition.

If you have access to it a little HCG the last two weeks of the cycle would be a great addition IMO.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the continued feedback, much appreciated. And thanks for not (exactly) turning this into a name drop for company reps on here lol. Keep it classy AM!

I remember taking the OG lean xtreme around 2006? I really liked it as it gave me a very clam feeling throughout the day. And I think Reduce XT is basically the same formula so I'm excited about that.

As for ara...I'm not sure anymore if I should include it. I know i am going to be training hard during PCT and getting DOMs has never been my problem. As a matter of fact, I'm very much enjoying the extreme increase in recovery on 1-andro. What do you guys think about that? Should I still get it?

I got 2 bottles of M-test, what is the need for an additional test booster such as sustain alpha?

@GQdaLEGEND I'm most likely going to include an epi product, prob going with Follidrone 2.0

@BCseacow83 , I have heard of using hcg, but because I am doing a 1-andro only cycle, do you think it's necessary? Do you think similar end-result can be achieved by upping the nolva to 40/40/20/20? Also, side note, I have nolva caps at 20mg each so I'm thinking just doing the 20/20/20/20.
 
Boonfly8 said:
Hey guys, thanks for the continued feedback, much appreciated. And thanks for not (exactly) turning this into a name drop for company reps on here lol. Keep it classy AM!

I remember taking the OG lean xtreme around 2006? I really liked it as it gave me a very clam feeling throughout the day. And I think Reduce XT is basically the same formula so I'm excited about that.

As for ara...I'm not sure anymore if I should include it. I know i am going to be training hard during PCT and getting DOMs has never been my problem. As a matter of fact, I'm very much enjoying the extreme increase in recovery on 1-andro. What do you guys think about that? Should I still get it?

I got 2 bottles of M-test, what is the need for an additional test booster such as sustain alpha?

@GQdaLEGEND I'm most likely going to include an epi product, prob going with Follidrone 2.0

@BCseacow83 , I have heard of using hcg, but because I am doing a 1-andro only cycle, do you think it's necessary? Do you think similar end-result can be achieved by upping the nolva to 40/40/20/20? Also, side note, I have nolva caps at 20mg each so I'm thinking just doing the 20/20/20/20.
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Impossible to know. You stated dream so I tossed it in there. I suppose you could grab labs with two weeks to go and see how shutdown you are. Shutdown is shutdown and if cost is no issue it certainly cannot hurt.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Impossible to know. You stated dream so I tossed it in there. I suppose you could grab labs with two weeks to go and see how shutdown you are. Shutdown is shutdown and if cost is no issue it certainly cannot hurt.
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That’s true lol. What is the protocol and dosing for hcg for my 1-andro only cycle?
 
Boonfly8 said:
Hey guys, thanks for the continued feedback, much appreciated. And thanks for not (exactly) turning this into a name drop for company reps on here lol. Keep it classy AM!

I remember taking the OG lean xtreme around 2006? I really liked it as it gave me a very clam feeling throughout the day. And I think Reduce XT is basically the same formula so I'm excited about that.

As for ara...I'm not sure anymore if I should include it. I know i am going to be training hard during PCT and getting DOMs has never been my problem. As a matter of fact, I'm very much enjoying the extreme increase in recovery on 1-andro. What do you guys think about that? Should I still get it?

I got 2 bottles of M-test, what is the need for an additional test booster such as sustain alpha?

@GQdaLEGEND I'm most likely going to include an epi product, prob going with Follidrone 2.0

@BCseacow83 , I have heard of using hcg, but because I am doing a 1-andro only cycle, do you think it's necessary? Do you think similar end-result can be achieved by upping the nolva to 40/40/20/20? Also, side note, I have nolva caps at 20mg each so I'm thinking just doing the 20/20/20/20.
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Boonfly8 said:
I got 2 bottles of M-test, what is the need for an additional test booster such as sustain alpha?

@GQdaLEGEND I'm most likely going to include an epi product, prob going with Follidrone 2.0
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for Mtest + other Tbooster - its really optional .. i have seen people do PCT assist + Mtest ..or like @thebigt said with sustain

( really see how you feel and if you need that extra kick )

good choice on folli .. im actually doing Mtest + 2 caps of folli + 1 cap of epi plex ( Jan - March )

reason for my addition of epi plex is to get additional -epi and make follidrone bottle last 45 days .. i think you will enjoy your pct
 
Boonfly8 said:
Hey guys, thanks for the continued feedback, much appreciated. And thanks for not (exactly) turning this into a name drop for company reps on here lol. Keep it classy AM!

I remember taking the OG lean xtreme around 2006? I really liked it as it gave me a very clam feeling throughout the day. And I think Reduce XT is basically the same formula so I'm excited about that.

As for ara...I'm not sure anymore if I should include it. I know i am going to be training hard during PCT and getting DOMs has never been my problem. As a matter of fact, I'm very much enjoying the extreme increase in recovery on 1-andro. What do you guys think about that? Should I still get it?

I got 2 bottles of M-test, what is the need for an additional test booster such as sustain alpha?

@GQdaLEGEND I'm most likely going to include an epi product, prob going with Follidrone 2.0

@BCseacow83 , I have heard of using hcg, but because I am doing a 1-andro only cycle, do you think it's necessary? Do you think similar end-result can be achieved by upping the nolva to 40/40/20/20? Also, side note, I have nolva caps at 20mg each so I'm thinking just doing the 20/20/20/20.
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The need for hcg isn't really about the gear you use, but more about the lenght of your cycle. Hcg mimics LH in the testes and keeps the nuts from atrophying. So the mechanism of action is different than of serms and thus can't be replaced by upping the Nolva. 8 weeks is many times thought as a borderline where cycles of longer than 8 weeks would really benefit from hcg use. Best way to use it would be throughout the whole cycle about e3d. But it can be and I think the old school way is to use it 2-3 weeks prior to pct. Dosages I don't remember. It has to be injected if you didn't happen to know.

I added Sustain Alpha to my pct last time and it was the best pct I've had. SA really increases libido and has a positive effect on mood. The trans-resverastrol in it also has same health benefits for heart and cardiovascural system I think. It could help in restoring T production aswell, but with a serm already in use I don't know if it adds to that. The benzoflavone in it works as an AI also.

I have tried an oral product with laxogenin in it, but didn't get anything out of it. Transdermal laxo might be a different story as many times transdermals are a lot better due to low bioavailability of products. Might try Iconogenin at some point.

Apex Alchemy also has a transdermal epicatechin product called Epichaos if interested.

The 20/20/20/20 on Nolva is fine.

My dream pct if I was drowning in money would be:

Serm of choice
Sustain Alpha
M-Test
Anabolic Effect
Iron Legion Invictus
CEL Cycle Assist
Hot missus to bang every day
(Not really a pct, but hcg throughout the cycle)
 
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GQdaLEGEND said:
for Mtest + other Tbooster - its really optional .. i have seen people do PCT assist + Mtest ..or like @thebigt said with sustain

( really see how you feel and if you need that extra kick )

good choice on folli .. im actually doing Mtest + 2 caps of folli + 1 cap of epi plex ( Jan - March )

reason for my addition of epi plex is to get additional -epi and make follidrone bottle last 45 days .. i think you will enjoy your pct
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@GQdaLEGEND how much epi are you taking a day? 600mg?
 
Boonfly8 said:
@GQdaLEGEND how much epi are you taking a day? 600mg?
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Its really hard to tell .. since follidrone is a prop blend.

So im taking 1 cap of epi plex (300mg) and 2 caps of follidrone prop blend

but ive done 2 caps of epi plex ( prefrence of 600mg was perfect dose for me )
 
Final Shopping List, gonna put it in tomorrow.

2 x Competitive Edge Labs Epi-Plex - 60 Cap

2 x Iconic Formulations Sustain Alpha - 7 Oz

2 x SNS Serious Nutrition Solutions X-Gels - 100 Softgels

2 x SNS Serious Nutrition Solutions Reduce XT 90 Cap Btls

2 x Competitive Edge Labs Anabolic Effect - 180 Cap

2 x M Test (Already have on hand)

I'm not sure about getting X Gels, i'm not really looking for more inflammation/DOMs as tend to get sore after most training days anyways. I also read that people use it to break a plateau. As I say, I'm just trying to keep as much gains as I can. Not sure if ARA is necessary. Please convince me otherwise though, like to hear your thoughts. ...or maybe I should get ARA and drop epi ha

I added Sustain Alpha. It's been awhile since I used a transdermal, where do you guys apply it?
 
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Jesus. That's a serious natty stack beyond just a pct. You may see some gainz in pct also
 
Now that's a proper pct stack! I no nothing about the ARA, so can't comment on the X-gels other than that SNS has great products in general. Otherwise I can say the stack looks solid.

I apply Sustain Alpha to inner thigs, behind the knees, thigs and on shins whats left over. I started with 3 pumps which had an effect, but started to dimish in a week so upped to 4 pumps and stayed there. It seemed a good dose for me (didn't try more tho). I expect you to be happy you added the SA to your stack.
 
off topic but been thinking about that lately. The fact that I still have some libido (desire to masturbate) and my tests are not exactly flat, is that a hint that I may not be terribly suppressed with this 1-andro? I know there is no way to know unless I get bloodwork (which I think I will at last week of my run), but just an interesting thought?
 
dvw said:
Jesus. That's a serious natty stack beyond just a pct. You may see some gainz in pct also
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gains at PCT beyond what I am already making would be just freaking incredible. I'll take a screenshot with all the arsenal once it's here :)
 
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