WHAT IS LR3 IGF-1?....a great description

bigrick345 said:
I have been injecting EOD into the shoulder for healing for post surgery on a bankhart lesion and a slap labrum tear. Normal rehab seems to be 6-12 months for MMA (what i train in), however after 2 weeks of PT witha a very good therapist and injections of 40 mcg IGF-1 my progress have been very good. I am currently on track to return to full contact in 3-4 months. I used oratropin for the first 21 days and noticed that the pain was gone after about day 10 whereas many individuals have significant pain 4-5 weeks in. So far the surgeon and PT are very impresed with my progress and say I am significantly ahead of schedule. Take this with a grain of salt, part of this recovery could be due to my relatively young age (yes over 21) and my genetics. However, IMO IGF-1 has helped a lot, especially with keeping the BF down and in preventing atrophy.
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if only the doctors knew.

itll be 20 years before they start looking into lr3 for injury recovery.
 
jomi822 said:
if only the doctors knew.

itll be 20 years before they start looking into lr3 for injury recovery.
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this is prolly true
 
jomi822 said:
also, i recieved the perma gut from dosing 40mcgs ED. that is a bit of an old dosing guideline, and i wish i had waited things out until the new dosing guidelines were established.
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You got intestinal growth from 40mcgs ED ? That's doesn't seem likely but it could happen. I can't deny it since your body.

Also, I believe long IGFs clearance time is about 10-15 minutes in your system, much shorter than regular IGF.
 
not_big_enuf said:
You got intestinal growth from 40mcgs ED ? That's doesn't seem likely but it could happen. I can't deny it since your body.

Also, I believe long IGFs clearance time is about 10-15 minutes in your system, much shorter than regular IGF.
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can you explain what you mean exactly by clearance time
 
nycste said:
can you explain what you mean exactly by clearance time
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its a common misconception that lr3 has a long half life. the same proteins that bind to regular igf-1 and prevent it from exerting its effect on the body are the same proteins that protect it from being metabolized.

lr3 has a shorter half life, but a dramatically stronger effect...not to mention the intracellular event it triggers lasts much, much longer (hence the EOD, E3d dosing guidelines).
 
jomi822 said:
its a common misconception that lr3 has a long half life. the same proteins that bind to regular igf-1 and prevent it from exerting its effect on the body are the same proteins that protect it from being metabolized.

lr3 has a shorter half life, but a dramatically stronger effect...not to mention the intracellular event it triggers lasts much, much longer (hence the EOD, E3d dosing guidelines).
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cool
 
From MY experiences, IGF is a great product. I will caution you to make sure you get the best stuff you can get. I've tried various sources and truly believe that there IS a different between receptor and media grade. Go receptor grade... it's more expensive but man is it good. And make sure your source is very reputable.

I will also add that 80-100mcg is where it's at. Gut growth is overhyped IMO, but I'm sure it can still happen. The lining of the intestine protects the guts pretty damn well ;)
 
not_big_enuf said:
From MY experiences, IGF is a great product. I will caution you to make sure you get the best stuff you can get. I've tried various sources and truly believe that there IS a different between receptor and media grade. Go receptor grade... it's more expensive but man is it good. And make sure your source is very reputable.

I will also add that 80-100mcg is where it's at. Gut growth is overhyped IMO, but I'm sure it can still happen. The lining of the intestine protects the guts pretty damn well ;)
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do you prefer igf or igflr3?

and you mean 40-50mcg each side?
 
Travis said:
That would get expensive quick. Not_big, how long do you typically run it at this dosage?
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i run it at the start of an AAS cycle, only PWO... using 2mg, at 80mcg (40 x 2). then i run it during PCT, for a month, ED, for 60mcg.

yeah, it's not cheap that route, but it definately, without a doubt works when you have legit source for it.
 
Here's my recostitution method (in case you want an alternative to Trip's):

1-Pull the blue top off your vial of LR3 Powder.
2-Draw 4mL of sterile AA (10%) into a sterile syringe /w needle.
3-Inject into your LR3 Vial and let it sit in the fridge overnight.

-This will yield 25 micrograms per 0.1mL, or 20mcg per 0.08mL. Teramuno 1/2" slin pins have tick marks every 0.01mL and a marking every 0.1mL so you can easily measure it out.

-How to draw out dosages:
1- Make sure the plunger is fully depressed. You don't want to have air in the syringe.
2- Hold so vile is upside down. Pull the plunger past the 0.1mL mark (like to 0.3 or so) and hold it there while the tube fills up. Fluids do not travel through a 29 guage needle very fast: this will increase the vacuum force applied so it goes quicker.
3- Once it looks like you've got more than 0.1mL in the tube, set the vial on the counter (syringe still in vial), and let go of the plunger.
4- Push out excess IGF until you have your desired amount in the syringe.
5- Replace cap on the needle.
6-Repeat steps 1-5 with a second syringe (so you have 2 of them).
7- Take to the gym with you, and inject ASAFP PWO (As Soon As F*cking Possible Post Work Out).
 
thesinner said:
Here's my recostitution method (in case you want an alternative to Trip's):

1-Pull the blue top off your vial of LR3 Powder.
2-Draw 4mL of sterile AA (10%) into a sterile syringe /w needle.
3-Inject into your LR3 Vial and let it sit in the fridge overnight.

-This will yield 25 micrograms per 0.1mL, or 20mcg per 0.08mL. Teramuno 1/2" slin pins have tick marks every 0.01mL and a marking every 0.1mL so you can easily measure it out.

-How to draw out dosages:
1- Make sure the plunger is fully depressed. You don't want to have air in the syringe.
2- Hold so vile is upside down. Pull the plunger past the 0.1mL mark (like to 0.3 or so) and hold it there while the tube fills up. Fluids do not travel through a 29 guage needle very fast: this will increase the vacuum force applied so it goes quicker.
3- Once it looks like you've got more than 0.1mL in the tube, set the vial on the counter (syringe still in vial), and let go of the plunger.
4- Push out excess IGF until you have your desired amount in the syringe.
5- Replace cap on the needle.
6-Repeat steps 1-5 with a second syringe (so you have 2 of them).
7- Take to the gym with you, and inject ASAFP PWO (As Soon As F*cking Possible Post Work Out).
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This is exactly how I reconstitute and typicaly use as well. TheSinner knows his shiate!
 
thesinner said:
just thought I'd throw down the cliff's notes/ IGF for dummies version.

BTW, who's the hottie on your avi?
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Peptides and test for me! woot woot!

that girl is my girl :) she used to weight 190 lbs..... and now she's... well... that! I'm very proud! i knew her when she was about 175 and got interested in her then (i've NEVER been with anyone overweight, so that was strange... i knew i really like her then). she said she wanted my help getting in shape and she just needed motivation. needless to say I thought she's lose some..... but.... yeah..........
 
TripDog said:
ok....

first-open you package

-you will see 3 small glass vials(if your drunk you may see more)....*scratches ass*

-hopefully you remembered to buy some slin pins,as this makes the process much easier *itches left nut*

-draw 2ml of acitic acid from the vial marked.......you guessed it, acitic acid *taps foot to a jazz swing beat*

-hold on a gotta piss

-ok first poke a hole in the top of the igf to vent it,then reinsert the needle and shoot the acitic acid into the vial of igf very slowly

-swirll the contents slowly *blacks out for a minuite*.....whew ok im back

-draw up desired igf(usually a very smal amount 50mcg is the recomended)

then with the igf still in the syrynge(still with me) insert the needle into the bottle of steril water and draw up some water..doesn't matter how much(this helps with the sting from the igf,and ensures that nothing gets left behind in the syrynge

-inject ONLY post workout into the muscle you just trained(within 20 mins is preferable)*hold on i need some coffee*

- injections should be bi-lateral meaning you shoot half into your right side,and half into your left(it's not rocket science)

-congradulations you just pinned igf-1lr3 (try to consume carbs with protein..a shake would be best...after you shoot your igf)*now your a big shot..you studd*

-igf can make you feel tired...never shoot pre-workout unless you want a sh*tty workout

this has been a Trip-Dog production

someone better rep me for typing all that..*i think i got a blister*
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TripDog again :rasp:

jecko
 
nanadog, can i bring my igf with me to the gym and pin in the bathroom stall? is it more complicated than that? or could i just lift, go to the locker room, get my sh1t, and then hit the stall and pin real quick. thats really the only place private enough to do it at my gym. trying to figure out if i want to incorporate it into my first injecty.
 
sfearl1 said:
nanadog, can i bring my igf with me to the gym and pin in the bathroom stall? is it more complicated than that? or could i just lift, go to the locker room, get my sh1t, and then hit the stall and pin real quick. thats really the only place private enough to do it at my gym. trying to figure out if i want to incorporate it into my first injecty.
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I used to keep the pins in my car and jab in the parking lot. But I also lifted at 4:30am, so it would still be dark out (and no one else around) when I pinned.
 
thesinner said:
I used to keep the pins in my car and jab in the parking lot. But I also lifted at 4:30am, so it would still be dark out (and no one else around) when I pinned.
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I load the pins and put the caps back on them. Then I put the pins in a protein cup and after my workout i take the protein cup into a bathroom stall. I inject, put the pinz back in, wrap some toilet paper around the pinz and dispose or take them home... whatever your moral preference.
 
sfearl1 said:
nanadog, can i bring my igf with me to the gym and pin in the bathroom stall? is it more complicated than that? or could i just lift, go to the locker room, get my sh1t, and then hit the stall and pin real quick. thats really the only place private enough to do it at my gym. trying to figure out if i want to incorporate it into my first injecty.
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you can....cops tend to like to search my gym bag often so i dont even carry tylonol with me anymore....i dont wana have to explain that one to a gun happy trooper..
 
thesinner said:
I used to keep the pins in my car and jab in the parking lot. But I also lifted at 4:30am, so it would still be dark out (and no one else around) when I pinned.
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thats not all he was doing in that car...according to servalence cameras you were caught raping yourself several times.....ha ha
 
I know everyone loves to pin IMMEDIATELY pwo, but seriously how far do you live from the gym? IMO, if you pin within 20 minutes your still golden. OR say your pinning bi's then save a last set at home with DB's just to get a good muscle pump.

I fortunately have the luxury of living literally 50 yards away from the gym. :rasp:
 
Travis said:
I know everyone loves to pin IMMEDIATELY pwo, but seriously how far do you live from the gym? IMO, if you pin within 20 minutes your still golden. OR say your pinning bi's then save a last set at home with DB's just to get a good muscle pump.

I fortunately have the luxury of living literally 50 yards away from the gym. :rasp:
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this is a good question or point.

i mean if you work legs. then head home even if you get home in 30mins then do squats till you puke with bodyweight cant you just pin then or what?

same goes for any bodypart
 
nycste said:
this is a good question or point.

i mean if you work legs. then head home even if you get home in 30mins then do squats till you puke with bodyweight cant you just pin then or what?

same goes for any bodypart
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non nana cult member alert!!!!...travis ignore thus statement!
 
nycste said:
this is a good question or point.

i mean if you work legs. then head home even if you get home in 30mins then do squats till you puke with bodyweight cant you just pin then or what?

same goes for any bodypart
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your cells are primed for a max of 45 mins.....your much better off using igf right after training to prevent sides!!!!!!!!..nuff said!....do your homework !....if you have any questions please pm me...i love this topic...!!!!! trip
 
thesinner said:
It's only rape if I'm not willing to do it.
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BUT, if you have multiple personalities then.... oh I can see the picture already.........

"grr... not gonna doo...."
"oooo yes you are... you're gonna like it"
"grr... you can't make...."
"yes i ca....."
"noooooooooo...."
"oooh yeahhhhhhh"
"AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"who's your daddy?"
"me"
"you mean ME"
"yeah you"

ok...........forget all that.........:toofunny:
 
thesinner said:
effects within 5 minutes >> effects within 20 minutes

IGF receptors downregulate quickly post workout.
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what about me commementing on the fact that you can go home workout some more doing bodyweight things and then pin IGF?

will it be just as good or close enuff to the brutal workout at the gym?
 
Peg MGF is superior to IGF-1 right? Because it works locally and you won't run the risk like having IGF-1 attach to a small intenstine receptor or something.
 
CryingEmo said:
Peg MGF is superior to IGF-1 right? Because it works locally and you won't run the risk like having IGF-1 attach to a small intenstine receptor or something.
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what????

these are two different peptides. different structure. different effect.

peg form allows for a longer half-life so it can go systemic.

read up son.
 
CryingEmo said:
The PDF I read suggested it couldn't, and that effects are locallized.
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MGF has an extremely short half-life and the effect would be localized.

the idea behind attaching a PEG molecule to MGF is to prevent proteases and antibodies from cleaving it and rendering it inactive so quickly, thus extending the time MGF is active in the human body. it is estimated that the PEG version may remain active for up to 72hrs (i think). this is why we use pegMGF instead of straight MGF.

IGF-1 also has an extremly short half-life.
that is why we all use lrIGF-1


[note: it is debatable if PEGylation of MGF actually works on significantly extending the half life]
 
I was just reading not_big_enufs post about how he takes Igf-1 and i totally follow that protocol personally...though, I have been using Igf-1, non stop, month on, month off, with ghrp-6 in between. I always use peg mgf with it as well...250mcg 2x per week. I love what it has done for me...especially during contest time..I have not used gh at all this year and still have the effects of being on a growth cycle... Just my two-cents worth.
 
Hank Vangut said:
what????

these are two different peptides. different structure. different effect.

peg form allows for a longer half-life so it can go systemic.

read up son.
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I think perhaps you should read up Hank, MGF is a splice right off of IGF ;)

From its sequence, MGF is derived from the IGF-I gene by alternative splicing and has different 3' exons to the liver or systemic type (IGF-IEa). It has a 49 base pair insert in the human, and a 52 base pair insert in rodents, within the E domain of exon 5. This insert results in a reading frame shift, with a different carboxy (C) terminal sequence to that of systemic IGF-IEa. MGF and the other IGF isoforms have the same 5' exons that encode the IGF-I ligand-binding domain. Processing of pro-peptide yields a mature peptide that is involved in upregulating protein synthesis. However, there is evidence that the carboxy-terminal of the MGF peptide also acts as a separate growth factor. This stimulates division of mononucleated myoblasts or satellite (stem) cells, thereby increasing the number available for local repair

jecko
 
nycste said:
what about me commementing on the fact that you can go home workout some more doing bodyweight things and then pin IGF?

will it be just as good or close enuff to the brutal workout at the gym?
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I think it has something to do with you being a little girl noob and no one likes you :rasp:

Could be overkill, could be good. There's so little data on IGF it's hard to say. I'd rather just take it as soon as I can after a workout rather than going home, doing 50 pushups, catching my breath, and then pinning.
 
can you pin in the top part of you forearms? cant remember the name of the muscle its the one that would be working when doing hammer curls. On a sidenote, today i thought about injecting the head of my penis and how that would be like.....what a sensation....lol it was just a random thought.
 
pistonpump said:
can you pin in the top part of you forearms? cant remember the name of the muscle its the one that would be working when doing hammer curls. On a sidenote, today i thought about injecting the head of my penis and how that would be like.....what a sensation....lol it was just a random thought.
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brachiallus (spelling?)

and yeah, you can shoot it up in thur.
 
ive notice one side from my last dose.....dry mouth and super hungry. Also a lil faster heartbeat, i dont know if thats normal.
 
pistonpump said:
ive notice one side from my last dose.....dry mouth and super hungry. Also a lil faster heartbeat, i dont know if thats normal.
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:eek: !!!! OH MYYYYY GODDDDDD YOUR GONNAAAA DIEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

























or maybe not.....:rolleyes:
 
sfearl1 said:
i was understanding it to be better used while on or before a cycle than post. tell me if i'm wrong
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it's great either way, to be honest. but......... for post cycle therapy it's quite simply a MUST. the last month of your cycle don't use it, then use it for your PCT and you'll be golden. it makes gains stick like you wouldn't believe.
 
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