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what is left with this ban.

john6370 said:
I think this is what most people agree on.
1. Methy type are not safe and it is a good thing they are gone
2. Most people can just buy these and take them without being educated and can f themselves up
3. Some very popular youtube lifters are in favor of law
4. People I talk to that are on real gear and ones that took things like SD agree that the law is a good thing.
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I would take the advice of my new dog on what I should or should not take before I listened to popular youtube videos. Dear God...
 
reps4jesus said:
No, most people do not agree with this. Wow, guys on YouTube are happy? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? And iv taken "real gear" and also SD and I can tell you SD is most definitely real gear. Its also one of the most effective steroids ever created and used in moderation is a great thing.
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Also highly toxic poison
 
john6370 said:
I think this is what most people agree on.
1. Methy type are not safe and it is a good thing they are gone
2. Most people can just buy these and take them without being educated and can f themselves up
3. Some very popular youtube lifters are in favor of law
4. People I talk to that are on real gear and ones that took things like SD agree that the law is a good thing.
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Lol I bet some of those popular youtube lifters you speak of use STEROIDS lol. Some of those guys get the best of the best of course they are going to support the law to make ppl think that they're natural
 
Volvo140G said:
15/15/15/0/0/0 50/50/75/75/100/100 Halo w/ a SD kickstart! All sorts of win right there. 3 weeks at a moderate dose - less sides/good gains. Then boom u drop it and hdrol is rolling strong for 3 weeks to solidify and enhance gains.
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How will libido be on this? I was thinking of doing this or Tbol instead of halo
 
Spaniard said:
You really need to stop this ^. Your hatred for doctors is apparent. These men and women save lives. Have you ever worked in Healthcare? I didn't think so. That's enough, man, seriously.
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Think he's referring more to GPs. Specialists, surgeons, ER docs are a little different
 
Swolljaboi said:
I'm so tired of people being so lazy and stupid. The amount of information available to the average American is so vast that it is ludicrous that anyone should ever unintentionally misuse anything. I'm in the "legalize everything and let nature take its course" camp. Anyone stupid enough to jack themselves up on any drug deserves what they get for not educating themselves properly.
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And tax the **** out of it!!
 
SquatsAndOats said:
Think he's referring more to GPs. Specialists, surgeons, ER docs are a little different
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Okay, well, we'll treat this like dating. After the 10th, 15th or 20th person you've dated complains of the same thing, it's actually probably you.

After the 5th, 10th, and 15th of the world's most terrible and awful doctors, it's probably not the doctors. ALL doctors have to go through med school. Not just anyone can get through med school.

And it's never just the doctors that he's seen, it's a reoccurring theme that it's the entire corrupt medical community over and over and over again.
 
Volvo140G said:
Will sink like a stone. Actually I dunno, its individual most likely. Add trest and you'll pry be a hornball.
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No trest, have slight gyno and gyno prone :/. I could to prop but I kinda want to not pin to see what's up with just orals. I've heard some people don't get libido drop.
 
Couple of observations I've picked up after reading decades worth of anabolic steroid related case studies.

One, I've yet to see any legitimate trend in the dangers of oral or injectable steroids compared to many other commonly used legal drugs. In fact, I've never seen one product do as much damage to a group of people as the natural supplement OEP (counterfeit) did with all that liver damage/failure. Even if I tallied all the SuperDrol cholestasis case studies they would not even be close to the number of impacted people by the OEP ordeal.

Also I've never seen a death solely attributed to the newest generation of designer steroids. At the same time we have seen a few deaths from stimulant supplements like DMAA (as rare as they are). None of this proves or disproves their safety or lack thereof. But it's certainly interesting and allows some perspective.

Second, the population studies on anabolic steroid users largely find the same commonalities (in the USA at least). Those are anabolic steroid users are not children. They are middle aged men, who have an above average education and income. They are hardly "morons" or irresponsible citizens. They are the guys giving you a spot in the gym and teaching their kids how to squat.
 
What is left after the ban? Well I can tell you that our product MOST WANTED is the next generation of natural anabolics. It has all the benefits of a mild PH/DS like Halodrol or even epistane depending on the dose you use without any of the health risks or side effects. In fact there are many studies showing that the ingredients used actually have many potential health benefits. Some see that it contains the 5a-hydroxy laxogenin and the ecdysterone and think this is nothing new but that couldn't be further from the truth. Our product is the only hydroxyl propyl beta cyclodextrin complexed version that has ever been done before and it solves the issue that these two ingredients have on their own, which is a low bioavailability. Check out pubmed on either of the two ingredients or the cyclodextrin and what it has done for the bioavailability for similar compounds and you will see that this product has some actual backing. This is the direction we want to see the industry going in. The more products that can help us with recovery and building muscle without all the negative health effects, the better it is for all of us. We are working hard on a few other natural anabolics and hope that if all goes well we will bringing another option to the market soon. If you want something that will give you results and has the potential to give you many positive health benefits, give our product a run, you won't be sorry. Invalid Link Removed
 
Natty supps just aren't that great. I mean let's face it. Some are decent but you could probably get the same results naturally without them. Remember that awesome feeling when a new cool PH comes out? Yea we'll never get that again. Really sucks. I'm bored. Post ban depression sinking in
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Natty supps just aren't that great. I mean let's face it. Some are decent but you could probably get the same results naturally without them. Remember that awesome feeling when a new cool PH comes out? Yea we'll never get that again. Really sucks. I'm bored. Post ban depression sinking in
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1-dhea is money.
 
IFNutrition said:
What is left after the ban? Well I can tell you that our product MOST WANTED is the next generation of natural anabolics. It has all the benefits of a mild PH/DS like Halodrol or even epistane depending on the dose you use without any of the health risks or side effects. In fact there are many studies showing that the ingredients used actually have many potential health benefits. Some see that it contains the 5a-hydroxy laxogenin and the ecdysterone and think this is nothing new but that couldn't be further from the truth. Our product is the only hydroxyl propyl beta cyclodextrin complexed version that has ever been done before and it solves the issue that these two ingredients have on their own, which is a low bioavailability. Check out pubmed on either of the two ingredients or the cyclodextrin and what it has done for the bioavailability for similar compounds and you will see that this product has some actual backing. This is the direction we want to see the industry going in. The more products that can help us with recovery and building muscle without all the negative health effects, the better it is for all of us. We are working hard on a few other natural anabolics and hope that if all goes well we will bringing another option to the market soon. If you want something that will give you results and has the potential to give you many positive health benefits, give our product a run, you won't be sorry. Invalid Link Removed
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Pubmed is just filled with solid results...

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BigBlackGuy said:
At what dose though? And how much would it cost... haha
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300 mg (IML) is working really well for me along with 200 mg of 4-dhea (IML). Strong recomping effect (actually eating a little below maintenance right now, leaned out but weight has been holding steady), strength shot up quick, doesn't give me dribble pee or make me feel off.

Compared to the banned stuff though, not nearly as potent obviously and even at the modest dosages I'm using, it is still more expensive. Effective though.
 
kissdadookie said:
300 mg (IML) is working really well for me along with 200 mg of 4-dhea (IML). Strong recomping effect (actually eating a little below maintenance right now, leaned out but weight has been holding steady), strength shot up quick, doesn't give me dribble pee or make me feel off.

Compared to the banned stuff though, not nearly as potent obviously and even at the modest dosages I'm using, it is still more expensive. Effective though.
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Nice. 300 mg straight 1-dhea? what brand are u using? Or is each tab like a 100 mg blend? What ive found is most of these dhea products contain very little of actual 1- dhea per pill which makes you have to take a ton of pills a day to get a decent amount for anabolic effect. Otherwise u dont see jack. Which in turn, costs a sh@$load of money.
 
pcarzola said:
Nice. 300 mg straight 1-dhea? what brand are u using? Or is each tab like a 100 mg blend? What ive found is most of these dhea products contain very little of actual 1- dhea per pill which makes you have to take a ton of pills a day to get a decent amount for anabolic effect. Otherwise u dont see jack. Which in turn, costs a sh@$load of money.
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IronMag Labs 1-andro rx and 4-andro rx. 4 bottles of the 1-andro rx will give you a solid 40 days cycle. 3 bottles of the 4-andro rx to run with the 1-andro rx. You'll have some 4-andro rx left over after the cycle.

If you use the AMS stuff, likely you would dose it much lower. Maybe 2x label recommendation as opposed to 2.5x for the IML 1-andro RX?
 
kissdadookie said:
IronMag Labs 1-andro rx and 4-andro rx. 4 bottles of the 1-andro rx will give you a solid 40 days cycle. 3 bottles of the 4-andro rx to run with the 1-andro rx. You'll havd some 4-andro rx left over after the cycle.
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Thanks for the tip. I havent tried ironmags formulation but great job on the progress! Keep it up!
 
JeremyNG25 said:
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For the ironmaglabs 1 andro I believe i had to purchase 8 bottles for one cycle..yikes
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How long you run it? Honestly, 6 caps a day is quite good. Takes about 3 weeks to really kick in though. It's not a mass monster though. So 4 bottles ='s 6 weeks. Still expensive though.
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Second, the population studies on anabolic steroid users largely find the same commonalities (in the USA at least). Those are anabolic steroid users are not children. They are middle aged men, who have an above average education and income. They are hardly "morons" or irresponsible citizens. They are the guys giving you a spot in the gym and teaching their kids how to squat.
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Yes but do these "population studies" include DS/PH products or are they based on the AAS that became illegal in 1990?. I've seen tons of morons coming in here when they screwed themselves up from improper use of these designers/ph...

Here is the latest!,

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IFNutrition said:
What is left after the ban? Well I can tell you that our product MOST WANTED is the next generation of natural anabolics. It has all the benefits of a mild PH/DS like Halodrol or even epistane depending on the dose you use without any of the health risks or side effects. In fact there are many studies showing that the ingredients used actually have many potential health benefits. Some see that it contains the 5a-hydroxy laxogenin and the ecdysterone and think this is nothing new but that couldn't be further from the truth. Our product is the only hydroxyl propyl beta cyclodextrin complexed version that has ever been done before and it solves the issue that these two ingredients have on their own, which is a low bioavailability. Check out pubmed on either of the two ingredients or the cyclodextrin and what it has done for the bioavailability for similar compounds and you will see that this product has some actual backing. This is the direction we want to see the industry going in. The more products that can help us with recovery and building muscle without all the negative health effects, the better it is for all of us. We are working hard on a few other natural anabolics and hope that if all goes well we will bringing another option to the market soon. If you want something that will give you results and has the potential to give you many positive health benefits, give our product a run, you won't be sorry. Invalid Link Removed
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never heard that pitch before
 
Have to admit i really do feel your pain in this matter, im getting the impression big pharma might be greasing a few fda palms in all of this?

It'll certainly affect supply over here, we have our own suppliers over this side but a lot of good stuff comes from your end as well.
 
huxley309 said:
Have to admit i really do feel your pain in this matter, im getting the impression big pharma might be greasing a few fda palms in all of this?

It'll certainly affect supply over here, we have our own suppliers over this side but a lot of good stuff comes from your end as well.
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this bill was brought about due to lobbying by the council for responsible nutrition. some of the members of this include supplement companins such as Optimum Nutrition and NOW foods
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Natty supps just aren't that great. I mean let's face it. Some are decent but you could probably get the same results naturally without them. Remember that awesome feeling when a new cool PH comes out? Yea we'll never get that again. Really sucks. I'm bored. Post ban depression sinking in
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Unfortunately I agree, the ban, plus the ineffectiveness of natty supps "forced my hand" at least I know the PHs I did buy will do something unlike over promoted/over hyped epi products that did nothing at all for me.
 
BrianP0523 said:
this bill was brought about due to lobbying by the council for responsible nutrition. some of the members of this include supplement companins such as Optimum Nutrition and NOW foods
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Hmm I'm still sensing some backhanded reason for them doing this.

As said Tylenol kills far more, as does alcohol and smoking, but those are nice taxable drugs.
 
because they feel that if some companies are selling mis-branded drugs as supplements, it taints the whole supplement industry.
 
huxley309 said:
Hmm I'm still sensing some backhanded reason for them doing this.

As said Tylenol kills far more, as does alcohol and smoking, but those are nice taxable drugs.
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Why would pharma bother? There's really no actual health reasons one would take any of these compounds for in the first place.

Also, just because something kills it doesn't necessarily mean it's not generally safe.

For goodness sakes, ~50 million people in the US alone iirc uses Tylenol per week. Compare the scale of usage to reported adverse events due to Tylenol.
 
Who's got trest?

I seen some research sources, one out of stock, and the other that I know of has been taking about a 30 day back order shipping schedule it appears.
 
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