Good post.The FDA and America is out of control. Don't take me wrong, I am 100% American, but I hate the direction the government is heading. Every action the government makes is based upon extending there power and influence and increasing profits, all while making the general masses easier to control.
People have the rights to choose an inferior manufacturer, i can be fat dumb and illiterate. If we were protected and advocated for by our governments for health reasons we would not purchase over the counter addictive carcinogens.to me there is nothing wrong with this. Who here wants to take supplements that aren't tested by the manufacturer, are put together in a facility that doesn't need to be checked ever by an outside authority, and by a mom and pop operation who if it happens they mislabel something or cross contaminate don't have enough money to sue to be able to cover your medical costs?
I know I don't. I think this sort of thing is a good idea.
Again the cigarettes have the warning on the side. Are you saying the supplements should have a warning "this bottle may or may not have the ingredients listed on the label in it" ?
It is a significant issue of consumer safety when you don't know what is actually in the product. Look what even happened recently within the bodybuilding community. Competititve Edge Labs sold a batch of M1,4ADD that wasn't. It tests similar to DHEA, but that is after the fact. What if it had been something heavily carcinocenic, or far more liver toxic? Strychnine even. CEL would close down before a lawsuit from a death, and would probably just reopen with a new name. Not quite the way i want my "health supplements" to work out
Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... -Nirvana
I'm not personally from Pittsburgh, but all my family is and no that commercial was terrible. None of the guys I was watching the game with were Steelers fans and they all gave me hell about it the rest of the night.I'm with ya Drew. I'm not trying to argue on here, these are just my opinions and like *******s everyone has one, or so goes the saying. Good commercial with Big Ben during the Superbowl, you from Pitt?
Nailed it. I couldn't have said it better.The FDA and America is out of control. Don't take me wrong, I am 100% American, but I hate the direction the government is heading. Every action the government makes is based upon extending there power and influence and increasing profits, all while making the general masses easier to control. There is so many more important and more life affecting issues out there that our government could be focusing on, but instead they want to take down supplement companies and worry about harmless steroid users.
Let me introduce you to the FDA "regulated" pharma business.Its the difference of being older. I don't want to give my 3 year old "Organic food based vitamins" that happen to have some mercury or lead in them because they used crappy equipment or never tested their raws
I'm not sure how thats relevant. Its not products put out by a licensed company, its criminals trying to make a fast buck with fact products.Let me introduce you to the FDA "regulated" pharma business.
The testing they are talking about is ingredient assays. That what is on the label is what is in the product, and ALL that is in the product. Not pharmaceutical grade clinical testing.Just wanted to make an interesting point here guys...
Say "hypothetically" the fda decide that all nutrional supps have to be tested by them before release....
Great point. Unfortunately I see the monetary interest being the true motive behind this. Sadly however, I don't think that there's many government projects/actions that aren't in somehow financially motivated in one way or another.If the FDA's true intent, without any hidden agenda, is to sort out the unethical companies from the supplements' industry, then it would be a great service to consumers, not just in the USA, but also worldwide. If, however, the true motive is to directly or indirectly protect the entrenched interests of Big Pharma, then it should be construed as a dangerous move that would eventually drive up the cost of supplements by a significant factor. It is hard to tell what exactly is on the FDA's true agenda in this case and at this point in time. Time and the FDA's actions would make things clearer.
Probably. Yet, I am not after identifying probable conspiracies. I am only being pragmatic. It would be naive to assume that Big Pharma would be happy seeing the supplements' industry introducing innovative compounds and products that translate into lower sales and margins for them (Big Pharma). Who would insist on a medication (from Big Pharma) for high blood pressure, for instance, if a combination of Anabolic Innovations' Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support, and, say, Cocoa Polyphenols, and Omega-3 Fatty Acids, would do the same job? Just an example. Even without being a conspiracy theorist, it may be enough to just consider how many senior FDA officials leave the FDA to take on lucrative positions in Big Pharma to understand that vested interest (and, to an extent, conflict of interest) may be at work.Seems to me that if you look for signs of conspiracy you can find them in any action.
CVS Pharmacy one of the largest licensed drug retailers has had many instances where they have sold fake drugs. This is usually kept quiet but it has occured and has been going on for the last 7 or so years.I'm not sure how thats relevant. Its not products put out by a licensed company, its criminals trying to make a fast buck with fact products.
See the thing is that if that combination really did work, then a pharmaceutical company would do the studies to get FDA approval and then it would own it, and the supplement companies would be forced to drop it ALA levastatin from RYR.Who would insist on a medication (from Big Pharma) for high blood pressure, for instance, if a combination of Anabolic Innovations' Cycle Support, Post Cycle Support, and, say, Cocoa Polyphenols, and Omega-3 Fatty Acids, would do the same job? Just an example. Even without being a conspiracy theorist, it may be enough to just consider how many senior FDA officials leave the FDA to take on lucrative positions in Big Pharma to understand that vested interest (and, to an extent, conflict of interest) may be at work.
Your mother and I love each other very much, and were going to tell you when you got older.Yeah of all the commercials BB had to do that one. And Phil, I'm young enough to be an ignorant prick but yet old enough to the point where I only believe what I want to anyhow so I'm a lost cause. Besides after I found out about you & my mom I haven't been the same.
That combination was an example, although it would work for many. Some of these issues are sometimes rather complex. A typical "pharmaceutical" company would prefer to sponsor expensive and lengthy original research into new, preferably, synthetic compounds they can claim patents on, if they work. That's where the huge profits lie. And they need such potential blockbusters to justify the huge investment in research. Consequently, they are unlikely to bother much with straight fish oil and cocoa polyphenols, for instance, because these compounds are readily available, and more importantly, command relatively low profit margins.See the thing is that if that combination really did work, then a pharmaceutical company would do the studies to get FDA approval and then it would own it, and the supplement companies would be forced to drop it ALA levastatin from RYR.
Actually, something like this has already happened with the FDA & RYR: http://heartdisease.about.com/b/2007/08/10/apparently-some-red-yeast-rice-still-contains-lovastatin.htmSee the thing is that if that combination really did work, then a pharmaceutical company would do the studies to get FDA approval and then it would own it, and the supplement companies would be forced to drop it ALA levastatin from RYR.
Okay, I realize the article was biased. But at the same time, if you read some of what the FDA was quoted on, that doesn't seem like they have our "best interests" at heart. I mean hey, no one is going to object to regulations as to purity, but when the company regulating actually acknowledges that they are aware that it will put shops out of business, and that it will lead to a decrease in the supplement industry and consumer spendings on supplements, you can see there's another motive here. How many times has a decision regarding health been made in our interest in this country? Remember, we don't have socialized medicine because apparently as some of the politicians (who are on the Big Pharma's bankroll) have stated "its a stepping stone to communism". It's one thing to have regulations to make sure people stay healthy, it's another to knowingly attempt to decrease competition and raise prices DURING a recession scare.
Amen to that.The fda is one of the most inept and corrupt government agencies. I cannot understand why anyone could see this as being anyway positive. This is not about regulating anything or safety. These are the same people responsible for approving a drug that killed over 60,000 Americans. On a yearly basis something like 2 million people are injured by drugs that get stamped "safe" AND over 100,000 are killed. They are deep in the pockets of big pharm companies. Quality control is one thing but people are not dropping dead from tainted vitamins. This type of oversight from such a corrupt agency would be a tragedy for the consumer.
Great post.The fda is one of the most inept and corrupt government agencies. I cannot understand why anyone could see this as being anyway positive. This is not about regulating anything or safety. These are the same people responsible for approving a drug that killed over 60,000 Americans. On a yearly basis something like 2 million people are injured by drugs that get stamped "safe" AND over 100,000 are killed. They are deep in the pockets of big pharm companies. Quality control is one thing but people are not dropping dead from tainted vitamins. This type of oversight from such a corrupt agency would be a tragedy for the consumer.
God damn stupid John McCain and equally as stupid Orrin Hatch used this very argument to start the whole ball rolling on banning PH's and spending my tax dollars enforcing MLB rules for hells sake. It makes me sick.By the way, it's always about the children. Politicians trying to pass a bill just need to mention the children, and chances are, it will get passed. In reality, this has done more harm to America than good.
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