Dude, the whole vitamin c slows muscle growth crowd kills me. I see so many ppl skipping meals and doing half ass exercise programs but there also worried that vitamin c is gonna kill there gains. Same for the ppl worried that metformin and berberine or any gda for that matter is gonna lower there igf 1 and kill there gains. Weather they do or do not slow down "gains" there's probably 20 others things that are slowing yiur gains down before you can point your finger at vitamin c lol
Absolutely agree.
You've got Olympic level athletes and coaches touting the benefits of mega dosing Vitamin C - people whose careers and livelihood depends on maximizing performance and results - but then you have some average people worried that taking Vitamin C is somehow going to hurt their gains and results.
And what is especially relevant is that there is no sales agenda for people in the above scenario for anyone to be pushing Vitamin C because its super cheap and no ones really making hardly any money off of it; its just them stating facts on what they do themselves or recommend to their clients.
And great comparison to Metformin/Berberine/GDA's - people can do the mega theory stuff and harp on one possibly drawback, but conveniently ignore the tons of potential benefits from GDA's. On a scale of 1 to 10, if something gives you the positive results of an 8 and let's say the IGF1 side puts you back a 1, you still have a net gain of being a 7 which is better than a zero from not taking it. I hope that makes sense.
I think its important for people to realize that scientific studies are cool and all, but sometimes they're just done to prove or disprove theories and aren't on the level that would translate into the real world hindrance of gains.
There are so many things that people do on an daily basis (myself included) that are going to hurt results more than taking Vitamin C would, and that's a big if to if it even would at all, which I personally don't believe it would anyway. Like you said, missing one meal, missing one cardio session, not getting that last couple reps, not drinking enough water - all of those things are going to hinder results much more than Vitamin C would and none of us are perfect, we all miss things in that department; and anyone that says they don't is lying to themselves. I know even at my strictest and best years ago, there was always room for improvement.