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Was older HAVOC batches stronger?

metalman302

metalman302

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Hey guys. Ran Havoc a couple of times in the past and was VERY pleased with the gains. Last was over a year ago and I still had around a half bottle (black cap). Picked up a couple recently while they were on sale (white cap).

Started my cycle a couple weeks ago with the older bottle. A week in I was seeing noticeable gains and noticeable andro sides. Then I miss placed that bottle and cracked open a newer one. First thing I noticed was that the old ones were packed rock solid and the new are squishy. I even noticed one that was only half full. After taking these for a few days it seemed the andro sides were going away. Then I found my older bottle and started taking those again, and a few days later the andro sides were coming back strong.

What gives? Were the old ones just tamped better? More cut? Anyone else notice different effects or is it just me having a placebo affect?
 
Some batches are bad/contaminated. Really sounds like a clear cut case of having a good bottle and a not-so-good bottle.
 
Your guess is as good as mine. You got powder in there that isn't doing what it's supposed to do. Go to the plants in china where everything is synthesized and check out their process at each step and how the powders are handled and capped. And how the caps are checked because i'm really curious how some caps have much more powder than others.

I think it's pretty accepted that with almost all PH/DS, some bottles are just BAD, they don't work properly. I don't hear it often with brand-name Havoc, one of the first times actually.
 
I was thinking possibly the old ones were overdosed? I think that happened with some CEL stuff a while ago.

I have a buddy who ran havoc recently and had good results, I will check his batch. I really don't think it's bunk or else there would be lots of complaints by now.
 
the overdose to underdose ratio would have to be pretty high like at least 1.5-2x in order to make side effects go away and then come back so quickly. Blood levels should be pretty stabilized so far along and it's still active a few days after taking it, so sides dropping off after a few days is something I'd expect if the caps were doing nothing or else dosed SIGNIFICANTLY below the other caps.
 
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