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Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

Was Gerald Butler from the movie '300' on steroids ?

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snagency said:
yeah, where did that come from??
hmmm.. sounds like you're a skeptic there X.

That would be Forslean..
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Familiar with Forslean/Forskohlii and its benefits.

That little blurb is from USPLab's ReCreate advert.

I am skeptical of all the people that blame their poor physique/progress/performance on 'genetics' and 'lack of steroid use'.

It was more in response to Mullet's statements about how it is 'impossible to gain LBM & lose fat simultaneously'. Just find it funny that a rep (and head pimp) for a company that puts out supps that purportedly do these things has varied information/beliefs, depending on the argument.
 
Xodus said:
Familiar with Forslean/Forskohlii and its benefits.

I am skeptical of all the people that blame their poor physique/progress/performance on 'genetics' and 'lack of steroid use'.

It was more in response to Mullet's statements about how it is 'impossible to gain LBM & lose fat simultaneously'. Just find it funny that a rep (and head pimp) for a company that puts out supps that purportedly do these things has varied information/beliefs, depending on the argument.
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Gotchya.. ;)
Yeah, that kinda puzzled me too. I get his argument, to a certain extent of what one can accomplish.. but yeah, I was scratching my head as well..
 
Very few people have horrible, horrible genetics..
The same very few have ungodly, freaky genetics.
Reality is that the vast majority of us are in the middle, some better than others but not tons better. Agree with you about people who blame this, that, and the axis of the Earth at midday for their lack of progress.. all the while they're munching on some bullsh!t food choice before they go out for a night of hanging & drinking, and then starve themselves the next day to make up for their guilt for the previous day and do even more harm..
Ludicrous..
 
snagency said:
Gotchya.. ;)
Yeah, that kinda puzzled me too. I get his argument, to a certain extent of what one can accomplish.. but yeah, I was scratching my head as well..
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Esp. after your post here was ignored:

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Xodus again.

Dang, I can't give anybody reps on this site, I'm blocked from like a 1/2 dozen people..
 
Xodus said:
Esp. after your post here was ignored:

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You deserve a Junior G Detective Badge! Purple honours for spending too much time on a thread. ;)

Well, since you are pretty adept at searching, go back and read where I state numerous times, "at the rates noted in this thread". As in: it is impossible to simultaneously gain 20lbs of LBM and lose 20lbs of adipose in 20 weeks. You're so special!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You deserve a Junior G Detective Badge! Purple honours for spending too much time on a thread. ;)

Well, since you are pretty adept at searching, go back and read where I state numerous times, "at the rates noted in this thread". As in: it is impossible to simultaneously gain 20lbs of LBM and lose 20lbs of adipose in 20 weeks. You're so special!
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First off:
:FUfinger:


Where does it say that Gerard Butler lost 20lbs of fat and gained 20lbs of LBM? I am pretty sure all he did was LOSE fat.
 
Xodus said:
Esp. after your post here was ignored:

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Haha, maybe you can impress me further by finding a post where I say PowerFULL will assist one in accomplishing impossible feats? (re: my opinion varies based on the argument).
 
Xodus said:
First off:
:FUfinger:


Where does it say that Gerard Butler lost 20lbs of fat and gained 20lbs of LBM? I am pretty sure all he did was LOSE fat.
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Nice emoticon. Maybe you should take the internet less seriously?

Anyway, once again, (I told you this a few pages ago) I was speaking about the various other actors brought up in this thread; primarily, Ryan Reynolds. Now that you're caught up, we can all hug and make up!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Haha, maybe you can impress me further by finding a post where I say PowerFULL will assist one in accomplishing impossible feats? (re: my opinion varies based on the argument).
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Sorry man, not my goal to impress you...
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Nice emoticon. Maybe you should take the internet less seriously?

Anyway, once again, (I told you this a few pages ago) I was speaking about the various author actors brought up in this thread; primarily, Ryan Reynolds. Now that you're caught up, we can all hug and make up!
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I don't take the internet too seriously, but your condescending tone can be a bit much... re: Junior G Detective Badge and purple honours blather.

The thread was on Gerard Butler from 300 and if it was possible without steroids. Other people started throwing in Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale, Ryan Reynolds, etc.

Been caught up and trying to stay on topic ie. Gerard Butler and his physique in 300.
 
snagency said:
I'm not a huge Ryan Reynolds fan, but I really don't see outrageous, unexplainable results there either..
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You can gain 20lbs of LBM in 4 months while losing fat Steve? If you can, I'll afford you the same opportunity as the others, and even extend it to our arrogant friend Xodus here:

If anybody in this thread can gain 20lbs of LBM (keyword here: LBM) while substantially lowering their body fat (these were Ryan Reynolds' results) without anabolic assistance, and prove that it is natural, I will give you three USP Labs products a month for one year.
 
Xodus said:
I don't take the internet too seriously, but your condescending tone can be a bit much... re: Junior G Detective Badge and purple honours blather.

The thread was on Gerard Butler from 300 and if it was possible without steroids. Other people started throwing in Hugh Jackman, Christian Bale, Ryan Reynolds, etc.

Been caught up and trying to stay on topic ie. Gerard Butler and his physique in 300.
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That was not condescending, I was impressed that as a presumably adult male with far better things to do, you took the time to dig up several old threads, posts of mine from back in the thread, as well as our advertising to further your point. That kind of free-time is damn impressive.
 
ReaperX said:
Yeah I think alot of them were. Unless you are very genetically gifted and live a muscle building lifestyle, it is very hard to have a physique like that without juice.
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This is what I am talking about...
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You can gain 20lbs of LBM in 4 months while losing fat Steve? If you can, I'll afford you the same opportunity as the others, and even extend it to our arrogant friend Xodus here:

If anybody in this thread can gain 20lbs of LBM (keyword here: LBM) while substantially lowering their body fat (these were Ryan Reynolds' results) without anabolic assistance, and prove that it is natural, I will give you three USP Labs products a month for one year.
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I already get free USP products Mullet! :D

I will agree with you on that statement; I was not aware these were his results. This is most certainly unattainable in a short amount of time.
 
snagency said:
I already get free USP products Mullet! :D

I will agree with you on that statement; I was not aware these were his results. This is most certainly unattainable in a short amount of time.
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Exactly. This was all I was saying the entire time: while the end result is most certainly attainable naturally, the transformations undertaken (Ryan Reynolds' here), in that time period, is impossible.
 
I still believe HGH is the drug of choice, it's mainstream in Hollywood -- MUCH more acceptable than the stigma that steroid use carries, and as such is the "in" thing..
Not that there's not guys stacking both, but like I said earlier, the females are running rampant with this stuff.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
That was not condescending, I was impressed that as a presumably adult male with far better things to do, you took the time to dig up several old threads, posts of mine from back in the thread, as well as our advertising to further your point. That kind of free-time is damn impressive.
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There you go again. 'presumably adult male'? Pretty sure my age is listed to the left.

I have a great memory, so going back to things is incredibly easy. The advertising verbage was stumbled upon during a search on something else and I found it to be useful information in the discussion.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
You can gain 20lbs of LBM in 4 months while losing fat Steve? If you can, I'll afford you the same opportunity as the others, and even extend it to our arrogant friend Xodus here:

If anybody in this thread can gain 20lbs of LBM (keyword here: LBM) while substantially lowering their body fat (these were Ryan Reynolds' results) without anabolic assistance, and prove that it is natural, I will give you three USP Labs products a month for one year.
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What makes me arrogant?
 
Xodus said:
What makes me arrogant?
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What does that have to do with the opportunity I put forward, honestly?

Carrying on with this is pointless, agreed? I personally feel like I am in an argument with an ex (bringing up the past, becoming emotional, giving me the finger)!

I agree Butler's physique (even within the timeframe) was attainable, and that it was most definitely enhanced by CGI, lighting, and makeup. However, I was never really talking about that (and neither has anybody since the 1st page).
 
:toofunny:

That last page or so of conversation was pretty funny.

This thread is getting ridiculous... I love it!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
What does that have to do with the opportunity I put forward, honestly?

Carrying on with this is pointless, agreed? I personally feel like I am in an argument with an ex (bringing up the past, becoming emotional, giving me the finger)!
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Not interested in your challenge.

How about ReaperX just bust his ass and see if he can put on 20lbs(not ALL LBM) in 20-25 weeks and see what his physique looks like at the end. I don't think he could do it due to his self-defeating attitude.


:toofunny:

You make insulting and condescending remarks towards me then associate me with an ex? A bit passive aggressive are we?
 
Xodus said:
Not interested in your challenge.

How about ReaperX just bust his ass and see if he can put on 20lbs(not ALL LBM) in 20-25 weeks and see what his physique looks like at the end. I don't think he could do it due to his self-defeating attitude.


:toofunny:

You make insulting and condescending remarks towards me then associate me with an ex? A bit passive aggressive are we?
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Huh? Give it up, dude.
 
Xodus said:
How about ReaperX just bust his ass and see if he can put on 20lbs(not ALL LBM) in 20-25 weeks and see what his physique looks like at the end.
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Hehehehe... I bet Guil-t could do it... With his Tren, 3AD, and Pizza Hut stack. :rofl:

I probably shouldn't joke about that guy, that sh*t was kinda sad.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
If anybody in this thread can gain 20lbs of LBM (keyword here: LBM) while substantially lowering their body fat (these were Ryan Reynolds' results) without anabolic assistance, and prove that it is natural, I will give you three USP Labs products a month for one year.
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You should probably set a time frame on that bet before I take you up on that offer...
 
... and if you do end up doing it, I made an offer to fly whoever makes this crazy transformation out to San Diego to train me on how to do it. My treat. I'd be really F***ing impressed, and would love to be 205lbs and 9% BF by next summer.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
20-25 weeks. I'll need verification.
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My bad. 5-6 months. In that case, IMPOSSIBLE.

Question for Mullet - Would prior use of steroids/PH be a factor in the test results, or would the liver/test values just have to be "normal" when comparing the opening values to the end values?
 
That question is purely out of absurd curiosity btw, nobody is gonna pull this off let alone attempt it.
 
snagency said:
Very few people have horrible, horrible genetics..
The same very few have ungodly, freaky genetics.
Reality is that the vast majority of us are in the middle, some better than others but not tons better. Agree with you about people who blame this, that, and the axis of the Earth at midday for their lack of progress.. all the while they're munching on some bullsh!t food choice before they go out for a night of hanging & drinking, and then starve themselves the next day to make up for their guilt for the previous day and do even more harm..
Ludicrous..
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:goodpost: Then they blame it on life,family,poor genetics,no drugs,or not as much drugs as so and so.Instead of just simply taking responsobility for their actions and making the necasary changes.Then again,how can one possibly fix a problem when they don't even know what it is cause they are constantly blaming it on something else and lying to themselves?
 
Mulletsoldier said:
20-25 weeks. I'll need verification.
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Hmm... tell ya what: you get me some Prime, let me get out of contest mode, and I might just be able to pull that off. LBM has been packing on since I learned how to use the products & dole out the appropriate carbs. Coming from maintaining a keto diet for years to what I'm doing now, I'm not done growing yet brother!
 
Mulletsoldier said:
20-25 weeks. I'll need verification.
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What do ya think?
Here's right around 20 weeks right here, with a bb'ing contest in the middle of it all..
 

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That top pic is not me during keto btw...
But it is me @201, probably 13.5% bf.
Second pic is @193, probably 8% or so bf.
I guess the #'s don't equate out to even close to 20 lb. LBM tho do they?
Here's in the middle of all this, less than 11 weeks after the first one:
 

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pantera101 said:
Not me,but most would.And if you did juice to get there,I'd still repect it cause drugs aren't everything.
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All natural man (hell, all USP!)
The show I competed in was drug tested, the Natural Ohio in April. Top 3 got piss tested, I placed 3rd. Should dispel any doubts.
 
snagency said:
All natural man (hell, all USP!)
The show I competed in was drug tested, the Natural Ohio in April. Top 3 got piss tested, I placed 3rd. Should dispel any doubts.
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I completely believe it without that info.If I didn't,that would be setting myself up for failure.I would be telling myself that I can't achieve that naturally,and therefore I wouldn't.The mind is a very powerfull thing.I know I can pass that one day,and I'm sure you can too.I have used designers though,but still.

What kind of self tanner do you use?That looks realy good.Do you do the whole exfoliating the skin and all?
 
Didn't mean to sidetrack; just wanted to give another bit of food for thought for this thread.
It's always easy to point a finger & say "he's doing this or that"; some things are just unrealistic, but you'd be surprised what you can accomplish.
Back to your regularly scheduled programming now..
 
pantera101 said:
I completely believe it without that info,If I didn't,that would be setting myself up for failure.I would be telling myself that I can't achieve that naturally,and therefore I wouldn't.The mind is a very powerfull thing.I know I can pass that one day,and I'm sure you can too.I have used designers though,but still.

What kind of self tanner do you use?That looks realy good.Do you do the whole exfoliating the skin and all?
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Yes, the mind & WILL is a very powerfull thing, you got it!
In the comp pic I was spray tanned professionally. Was my first time doing that, turned out pretty good, thanks for the comment.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
But the transition from 'normal' to 'movie physique' is inclusive with substantial gains in LBM, with concurrent substantial losses in stored adipose tissue; once again, at the rates noted here, this type of tissue turnover is physiologically impossible without assistance from compounds which increase nitrogen retention (and thereby protein transcription), increase glycogen storage, and regulate metabolism.

If any of the 'this type of transition is possible' people can show me some empirical data, not anecdotal reports, not a trainer bragging about his trainee, but a study, showing that it is possible to do some of the changes noted in this thread within 20 weeks, please do. If not, be quiet.
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In another post before that one, or shortly after, I've already agreed to the fact that simultaneous lowering of fat and gaining of LBM, especially 20lbs is impossible. My statement never said anything about 20 weeks(I have no idea how that got wrapped around my post); i typed 60 weeks.

That's where I stated that SOME actors disappear for over 14 months to get ready for a movie BEFORE it even begins filming.

Now if you'd be willing to give me 60 weeks to substantially lower my fat% to under 8% and gain 20lbs of lbm without the assistance of steroids, I'd take that bet any day of any month.

It's a win, or win situation.
 
hardknock said:
In another post before that one, or shortly after, I've already agreed to the fact that simultaneous lowering of fat and gaining of LBM, especially 20lbs is impossible. My statement never said anything about 20 weeks(I have no idea how that got wrapped around my post); i typed 60 weeks.

That's where I stated that SOME actors disappear for over 14 months to get ready for a movie BEFORE it even begins filming.

Now if you'd be willing to give me 60 weeks to substantially lower my fat% to under 8% and gain 20lbs of lbm without the assistance of steroids, I'd take that bet any day of any month.

It's a win, or win situation.
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Doable, but very difficult. Once you hit a certain point, even the best natural guys will tell you that they're lucky to add 6-8 lbs. LBM yearly. Now, if you start grossly out of shape, haven't been training for awhile & have "muscle memory" from previous training, you'll do better, but there is a point where it will come back to normalcy. Mullet's point of the amount of LBM in such a short time frame is fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to add 20 in 60 weeks even with the perfect circumstances (eating/sleeping/training all 100% dialed in, all the best supps, etc.)
Not saying it couldn't be done, but don't be so quick to jump out there, thinking it's easy..
 
Markus Ruhel(does he juice? :lol: )said that him,and others like him,are lucky if they can still put on 10-15 lbs a yr.I heard a natural saying like 5 lbs.
 
snagency said:
Doable, but very difficult. Once you hit a certain point, even the best natural guys will tell you that they're lucky to add 6-8 lbs. LBM yearly. Now, if you start grossly out of shape, haven't been training for awhile & have "muscle memory" from previous training, you'll do better, but there is a point where it will come back to normalcy. Mullet's point of the amount of LBM in such a short time frame is fact, and you'd be hard-pressed to add 20 in 60 weeks even with the perfect circumstances (eating/sleeping/training all 100% dialed in, all the best supps, etc.)
Not saying it couldn't be done, but don't be so quick to jump out there, thinking it's easy..
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Im not arguing with what your saying at all...but it's a win, win situation. The worst that can happen is that i "fail" but recomp something pretty damn impressive, agreed? In the end, I'll come out better than today, even if by just a little

So, it's win, win for me...fail or succeed
 
hardknock said:
Im not arguing with what your saying at all...but it's a win, win situation. The worst that can happen is that i "fail" but recomp something pretty damn impressive, agreed? In the end, I'll come out better than today, even if by just a little

So, it's win, win for me...fail or succeed
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lol.. gotchya.
 
I think 20 lbs of LBM gained in 25 weeks with loss of fat might actually be possible with just natural supplements, but it would have to be an endo, who was in their first few months of training, after having started on dieting down before beginning this. even then, they'd probably have to use quite a bit of natural anabolics, but it might actually be possible. a velocity diet at the beginning for 4 weeks, catch some of that rebound weight gain with appropriate diet to maximize muscle, might be able to average 1 lean lb a week with a combo of x-factor, massfx, and herbal test boosters. still iffy tho, but maybe possible. not likely :)
 
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