Want a LEGAL pro hormone...

Interesting read here..
Love my X-gels..
Been thinking about these prohormones and learning about cycling etc..
Not quite ready I feel i have lots of natty gains to achieve.. its the "I want it now" feeling that will 100% bite me in the ass that wants to try the hardcore stuff..

Right now I'm bulking natty and the X-gels are a great part of my stack I am keeping a log/diary on paper.
After I'm done bulking I was thinking of trying that LG Sciences cutting andro kit which has Epiandro, 17 proandro, and 1 andro and also form xt for the pct to keep the gains..
Not sure if using PH on a cut would be the best idea to start with but these legal pro hormone threads have piqued my interest lol
Maybe have to give it some time though..
 
Yea honestly, its better to just cut to nice, low bf naturally and then use the help to put on some noticeable, vascular mass.

I made sure to cut to 8% all natural (and plenty of Alphamine haha) before I started my bulk with DMZ. The 20+lbs I was up at one point made it pretty difficult not to smile in the mirror.

PS-Dont run DMZ for a while haha
 
6andaHalf said:
"Sensitive Sally" would be reverting to attacks rather than a civil debate. Its called a defense mechanism.



Nothing constructive here at all. Just a rep being sensitive, making accusations and then finding out his accusations were wrong.

And Jiigzz is right dude, it is pretty much impossible. You take 2 identical twin bodybuilders, give one Xgels and the other a methylated steroid and it will be a land slide. If you still disagree then you need to swallow some pride. We all believe in ourselves and the products we support but be logical about it. Aim high but don't spew stuff like that.

I changed my avi for you. I hope I can participate in this topic, now. Sorry I have no genetics and am 1,000 ft tall haha. I am happy though for 3 years of training. I'm not here to impress you, anyhow.

And no I'm not angry dude. I have no problem with you at all. Wish you all the best. I just don't like people that don't know me passing judgement. Do you? I doubt it....
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You're being dramatic, which is why I haven't engaged in any further comments. The challenge still stands you on Halo vs me on X-Gels. If you believe so firmly in your stance sack up let's do it. If not, drop it :)
 
Spaniard said:
You're being dramatic, which is why I haven't engaged in any further comments. The challenge still stands you on Halo vs me on X-Gels. If you believe so firmly in your stance sack up let's do it. If not, drop it :)
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What about X gels vs something like androhard haha
 
rosemont83 said:
Love my X-gels..
Been thinking about these prohormones and learning about cycling etc..
Not quite ready I feel i have lots of natty gains to achieve..
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nice
I applaud the intelligent course, as it is really THAT simple
if you have not mastered the natty realm & diet, then venture not into steroid-land
easier said than done? well probably, since noobs jump off into methylated orals ~21 yrs of age (or younger!) every day..
is why I applaud you friend, for taking the intelligent road
cheers
 
R1balla said:
What about X gels vs something like androhard haha
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Which version my buddy at the station got yolked on that ****. Put his T levels through the roof. I always debated running one of the "Andros" by the time I thought I wanted to bye bye PP

Sounds hilarious ^^^ lol
 
Spaniard said:
Which version my buddy at the station got yolked on that ****. Put his T levels through the roof. I always debated running one of the "Andros" by the time I thought I wanted to bye bye PP

Sounds hilarious ^^^ lol
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Still considered a mild ph in terms of shut down

Are u guys talking mild in means of gains or shut down?
 
R1balla said:
Still considered a mild ph in terms of shut down

Are u guys talking mild in means of gains or shut down?
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Results man, it always comes down to the results right? I'm talking about any PH that elicits roughly 10lbs.

Btw, I've seen you talking about running the gels, I have a lot. I've always wanted to run derma, see where I'm going with this ;)
 
Spaniard said:
You're being dramatic, which is why I haven't engaged in any further comments. The challenge still stands you on Halo vs me on X-Gels. If you believe so firmly in your stance sack up let's do it. If not, drop it :)
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How about the 17+lbs I'm holding right now? Good luck, boss. And I gotta say as a rep you make me not want to buy SNS stuff. Jiigzz seems way cooler haha I'll prob still try them thanks to his descriptive post. He came in with science and that's a universal language of facts, my friend.

So yea, its dropped. Good day sir! ;)
 
Spaniard said:
Results man, it always comes down to the results right? I'm talking about any PH that elicits roughly 10lbs.

Btw, I've seen you talking about running the gels, I have a lot. I've always wanted to run derma, see where I'm going with this ;)
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i log if you log?
 
6andaHalf said:
How about the 17+lbs I'm holding right now? Good luck, boss. And I gotta say as a rep you make me not want to buy SNS stuff. Jiigzz seems way cooler haha I'll prob still try them thanks to his descriptive post. He came in with science and that's a universal language of facts, my friend.

So yea, its dropped. Good day sir! ;)
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The 17+ lbs you're holding now is from DMZ.

This is very black and white and not hard to understand. I'm saying that X-Gels in a 50 day cycle can net someone the same results as a PH that will elicit gains of 10lbs. People see what 8-12 on halo right? Then lose a few in PCT. The gains made with X-Gels aren't lost during a recovery period and there's no negative hormone effects.
 
Spaniard said:
Results man, it always comes down to the results right? I'm talking about any PH that elicits roughly 10lbs
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That sounds respectable, man. I'm being honest when I say that I think I'm going to pick some up in a little while. I would like to go back to gaining naturally for another year or two after this cycle.
 
Damn dude... just tried to be cool and read that last post. What gives?

Edit: I see you deleted the paragraph so thank you.
 
6andaHalf said:
That sounds respectable, man. I'm being honest when I say that I think I'm going to pick some up in a little while. I would like to go back to gaining naturally for another year or two after this cycle.
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6andaHalf said:
Damn dude... just tried to be cool and read that last post. What gives?
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All good bro, all good. Try them out you'll certainly enjoy them :)
 
6andaHalf said:
That sounds respectable, man. I'm being honest when I say that I think I'm going to pick some up in a little while. I would like to go back to gaining naturally for another year or two after this cycle.
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Also just a heads up a few dudes here have ran them PCT and LOVED it!
 
Spaniards a top dude; he's just standing by the product :D

I was looking forward to running androhard and mass as well. Huge bummer about PP.
 
Spaniard said:
The 17+ lbs you're holding now is from DMZ.

This is very black and white and not hard to understand. I'm saying that X-Gels in a 50 day cycle can net someone the same results as a PH that will elicit gains of 10lbs. People see what 8-12 on halo right? Then lose a few in PCT. The gains made with X-Gels aren't lost during a recovery period and there's no negative hormone effects.
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Okay you 2 just go inject those perma myosatin inhibitors and circle jerk while you both explode to over 270 lbs,pull a ronnie coleman and get several back surgerys and continue to overgrow till your tendons and ligaments just give out.


Jks!
Seriously though. Apples to oranges. Although...xgels ,ursolic acid transdermal and anabeta is the best 7+lb natural stack you can get given diet is on point.

Yes ara is a natural anabolic this is proven.

No you wont get the same gains on steroids*30+keepable gains off of testE with a dbol kicker* but you will gain additional mass of maybe 7 lbs in 8 or 10 weeks additional to your natural gains of maybe 1 to 3 lbs.

What ever you choose diet and training will depend on results.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
nice
I applaud the intelligent course, as it is really THAT simple
if you have not mastered the natty realm & diet, then venture not into steroid-land
easier said than done? well probably, since noobs jump off into methylated orals ~21 yrs of age (or younger!) every day..
is why I applaud you friend, for taking the intelligent road
cheers
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Thank you. Appreciate it!
It is very hard work but thank god my body works faster than most others I've witnessed. Just gotta figure out this stim tolerant crap and figure out why most things don't affect me. It's not only the supps that my body doesn't respond to correctly. I used to have to drink crap loads of alcohol to get f***** up. Penicillin and Amoxicillin have literally no effect on me. Weird stuff! I'm not even a big guy..

I wonder if PH's would really even do much haha <------------(not srs)

pyrobatt said:
Okay you 2 just go inject those perma myosatin inhibitors and circle jerk while you both explode to over 270 lbs,pull a ronnie coleman and get several back surgerys and continue to overgrow till your tendons and ligaments just give out.


Jks!
Seriously though. Apples to oranges. Although...xgels ,ursolic acid transdermal and anabeta is the best 7+lb natural stack you can get given diet is on point.

Yes ara is a natural anabolic this is proven.

No you wont get the same gains on steroids*30+keepable gains off of testE with a dbol kicker* but you will gain additional mass of maybe 7 lbs in 8 or 10 weeks additional to your natural gains of maybe 1 to 3 lbs.

What ever you choose, results will depend on diet and training.
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Fixed :)
 
6andaHalf said:
Are the DOMS from ARA really that bad? I've read like 3 reviews of people whining about it. Boo-hoo :(
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I remember people saying not to take NSAIDS on ARA or it somewhat defeats the purpose, however fish-oil may help with the soreness. Either way, it's not pleasant.
 
I personally like DOMS, with the exception of when I come back after a long lay off. Then it can inhibit normal movement lol. Thank God for the handicap bars in the restroom or post leg day toilet use poses a challenge lol.
 
bigflex0 said:
I personally like DOMS, with the exception of when I come back after a long lay off. Then it can inhibit normal movement lol. Thank God for the handicap bars in the restroom or post leg day toilet use poses a challenge lol.
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I enjoy some soreness as well, however when it becomes debilitating is when it's not fun anymore. What's the point of being in shape if you can't even walk around and do normal day to day functions because you feel like a giant sac of lactic acid and free radicals.
 
thegodfather said:
I remember people saying not to take NSAIDS on ARA or it somewhat defeats the purpose, however fish-oil may help with the soreness. Either way, it's not pleasant.
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I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember someone saying to avoid fish oil as well as any anti inflammatory may inhibit ARA.
 
I know ibuprofen and NSAIDs are a no no as they are an anti inflammatory and work against one of the pathways.

See Jiigzz post a few pages back or just wiki ARA.
 
jimbuick said:
I did too. Although, it was purely coincidental.

I see how it is, eff you too bro!


:laugh:
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Awe Jimmy poo :( don't be like that to me... the offer stands for you too :) did you get the BPS rep spot? On my phone I see no sigs...

6andaHalf said:
Are the DOMS from ARA really that bad? I've read like 3 reviews of people whining about it. Boo-hoo :(
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I love how it feels! I'm masochistic as **** tho, so it may be a nuisance to you as ArA can and does increase DOMS for a lot of people.

6andaHalf said:
I know ibuprofen and NSAIDs are a no no as they are an anti inflammatory and work against one of the pathways.

See Jiigzz post a few pages back or just wiki ARA.
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Boom :-)
thegodfather said:
I enjoy some soreness as well, however when it becomes debilitating is when it's not fun anymore. What's the point of being in shape if you can't even walk around and do normal day to day functions because you feel like a giant sac of lactic acid and free radicals.
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Walk it off big fella, walk it off :)
 
As others have said, X-Factor/arachidonic acid can be a great, safe alternative to prohormones that can offer a similar amount of gains to anything currently legal.
 
thegodfather said:
I've been wanting to try Anabeta but to be honest, the apple cider vinegar seems to do a great job with digestion and glucose management already, and it's cheap.
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whoa whoa whoa hold up. you have NEVER used Anabeta before? oh man, somebody send this man a bottle to log.
 
thegodfather said:
I've been wanting to try Anabeta but to be honest, the apple cider vinegar seems to do a great job with digestion and glucose management already, and it's cheap.
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Not sure what you're trying to say here?
 
Gotta say I didn't really experience Anabeta the same way as everyone seems to preach. Ran back to back bottles but when all was said a done, I just didn't see the value at $70 for both.

Everyone is different I guess...
 
6andaHalf said:
Gotta say I didn't really experience Anabeta the same way as everyone seems to preach. Ran back to back bottles but when all was said a done, I just didn't see the value at $70 for both.

Everyone is different I guess...
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No there are a few of you around. Yourself, mission and a few others didn't really respond to it. At least you tried it tho. I'd have to give OG another shot but I don't remember being all that impressed by it. I did however like Elite for the recomp effects but I credit the forskolin and included cortisol control for that.
 
That's the point. Each person is different. You can't really compare one set of genetics to another for many things.

Typically a skinny guy will respond better to a very hardcore PH and keep their gains because muscle fascia stretching is an important limiting factor to them. Still it's not 20lbs of muscle in 3 weeks, since that is pretty tough for the body to do I bet 90 percent of the people who clam that could add up their protein intake and it wouldn't come close to 20lbs. lol

Thus the allure of the methyl PH is the water gain. There are basically two types, intra-cellular and extra-cellular. Harsh PH's work on intra-cellular water retention which is why you get painful back spasms.

Natural PH's for the most part don't have those effects, but the mass gain is there, just slower and higher quality. The issue with methylated compounds is that they hang around the body for a very long time. This isn't a good thing since that is what often causes the liver issues past people ingesting them.

Most experienced people will tell you that methyl compounds are just not worth the negatives. I personally love how I feel on androgens, thus I take them all the time but I won't do anything methylated at all these days because I just don't want the side effects.
 
Good insight, right there. ^^

I've ran 2 methyls to date and can see how my perception has completely changed. I did gain 20lbs this last run but that's my first truly successful run and obviously not all of it is pure muscle. +17 now 2 weeks into PCT but weight is going up again finally. I actually want to go back to straight natty products for a while and gain for a few more years before my next venture. I got plenty in the natty tank ;)
 
kbayne said:
Not sure what you're trying to say here?
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Isn't Anabeta basically just a GDA?? I may be way off base here because I haven't paid much attention to it before. Apple Cider Vinegar also works like a GDA and I can always tell a difference when I take it and when I don't.
 
thegodfather said:
Isn't Anabeta basically just a GDA?? I may be way off base here because I haven't paid much attention to it before. Apple Cider Vinegar also works like a GDA and I can always tell a difference when I take it and when I don't.
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It's a natural anabolic and yes has some GDA properties but one cannot compare ACV to Anabeta as they are totally different.
 
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