VPX freak needs help!

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sifu said:
It is simple, like I said the first time, YOUR COMPANIES SALESMAN crossed the line.

Is your M1T safer? No damn way, just because he says so? Please he tries that crap on other boards, but he already been banned here and other sites.

Big deal if you guys can get a product out whenever you want. So can Muscletech, and I wouldn't be to proud of that.

It doesn't mean that it is the top of the line, even though your company charges the highest prices out there. Looking to rape the consumer. Or seriously injure the consumer, through false claims and accusations.

Really now, do I need to go any further? I have used your products in the past, they were ok, but certainly not the top of the line. And certainly not worth the price.

When are you guys going to come out with M1,4ADD or 7-OHN by the way?
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Our prices are high, I will admit. Have you ever been to the "O" or to the Arnold? Who has the best booth???? Those things cost. We just printed 250,000 free mags. That cost!!!!!!! I do not recall BDC(no offense) giving out any magazines. VPX just built a 4 million dollar lab to make their own liquids. Does BDC, 1fast, LG etc.... have their own lab? Do these companies employ any actual chemist that work in-house? I hate to bring these things up, but this has to be taken into account when talking prices. The R&D at VPX is crazy. They employ nurses to conduct blood test. Like you said, I could go on and on.
 
Best booth? That is a moot point. It is a waste of money, especially when the biggest liar in your company is working it.

Free Mags? Whoopty doo, nobody cares about that. More people read the internet now than ever before. Once again a waste of money.

4million for a lab to make their own liquids. Once again just like muscletech. With the way that PH's are now, you know that all you need is Pegg,bacardi151, or everclear. Once again a waste of money.

Employ chemist? Well where were they when your buddy was talking out of his ass? Why couldn't they explain how YOUR M1T is safer? I have chemists that work in my hospital, but it doesn't mean that they know how PH's and AAS work. Another Moot point.

R&D? You mean you guys are coming out with the first in every hormone? Whatever, you know that isn't true. However they are safer! RIGHT

Employ nurses to draw blood? Sorry bud, but it doesn't take a nurse to do that. A trained Phlebotomist at 8.00 an hour can do that. So once again a waste of money.


No matter what you say, you can't justify your high prices or pathetic slaes team, that preaches his crap to the people that have no clue.

If it looks like muscletech, smells like muscletech, and walks like muscletech. Then you guys aren't really that far off.
 
sifu said:
Best booth? That is a moot point. It is a waste of money, especially when the biggest liar in your company is working it.

Free Mags? Whoopty doo, nobody cares about that. More people read the internet now than ever before. Once again a waste of money.

4million for a lab to make their own liquids. Once again just like muscletech. With the way that PH's are now, you know that all you need is Pegg,bacardi151, or everclear. Once again a waste of money.

Employ chemist? Well where were they when your buddy was talking out of his ass? Why couldn't they explain how YOUR M1T is safer? I have chemists that work in my hospital, but it doesn't mean that they know how PH's and AAS work. Another Moot point.

R&D? You mean you guys are coming out with the first in every hormone? Whatever, you know that isn't true. However they are safer! RIGHT

Employ nurses to draw blood? Sorry bud, but it doesn't take a nurse to do that. A trained Phlebotomist at 8.00 an hour can do that. So once again a waste of money.


No matter what you say, you can't justify your high prices or pathetic slaes team, that preaches his crap to the people that have no clue.

If it looks like muscletech, smells like muscletech, and walks like muscletech. Then you guys aren't really that far off.
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Do you not have a simple understanding of overhead? It is quite simple. YOU have to cover your expenses and still make a profit. While I wish Chemo and BDC the best, we are talking a totally different ballgame when it comes to product. I know you will go against any and all things I say, but it is simple, VPX is at the top. You know nothing about the company.

As for our next product,M1,4ADD or 7-OHN, what do you think about a m-5aa-cyp. Imagine a 17aa product w/ a cyp ester. Think utside the box.
 
Think outside the box? Who the hell do you tihink you are talking to?

I don't see the resoning behind that product, other than you knuckleheads bringing the ban closer. There is already M5AA ans 5AA so why even bother?


I am testing the M1,4ADD for Designer supps, so I think outside the box.

As for overhead, get a freaking clue. I have run the same Martial arts school for 5 years now. I know all about overhead. However just because I could charge a student 100 bucks a month doesn't mean that I should. Would it line my pockets more? Hell ya, would I be degrading myself by doing so? Yup

I know penty about VPX. You guys are only at the top in slaes, because you whore yourselves in every magazine, and at every show, to all the newbies and unexpecting people. But when it comes to people that are in to it for quite a while we see right through your crap.

Overhead please! You guys are rapeing your customers plain and simple, and you don't even have the heart to use KY.
 
This here is pulled straight off of VPX's website. This is the crap that I am talking about.

The difference between VPX’s Methyl 1-Test and the others on the market is that ours is delivered in a Polylipid system. Polylipids are a matrix of long chain polymers chemically bound to active ingredients encased in phospholipid spheres used to deliver drugs into the body. This allows M 1-T to be taken up into the lymphatic system and then into the bloodstream while avoiding the rigors of the digestive tract. Further, this allows M 1-T to avoid a first pass through the liver entirely, making VPX’s M 1-T far more effective, efficient, and less stressful to the system.
 
sifu said:
This here is pulled straight off of VPX's website. This is the crap that I am talking about.

The difference between VPX’s Methyl 1-Test and the others on the market is that ours is delivered in a Polylipid system. Polylipids are a matrix of long chain polymers chemically bound to active ingredients encased in phospholipid spheres used to deliver drugs into the body. This allows M 1-T to be taken up into the lymphatic system and then into the bloodstream while avoiding the rigors of the digestive tract. Further, this allows M 1-T to avoid a first pass through the liver entirely, making VPX’s M 1-T far more effective, efficient, and less stressful to the system.
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VPX never said their M-1-T is completely safe, but if it avoids 1st pass then technically it is safer if only a little. Again, you have no clue about VPX so you can keep on hatin while we keep on growing!
 
It is safer? Boy I hope you have your ducks in a row, for when the big guys see that.

Oh I see the whole picture on VPX, and it is fuzzy and looks like ****.
 
sifu said:
It is safer? Boy I hope you have your ducks in a row, for when the big guys see that.

Oh I see the whole picture on VPX, and it is fuzzy and looks like ****.
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"Big guys" LOL. Think what you want!!!!!! VPX is hiring... would you like a job? Look, Jack would probaly not like me being in a pissing match, so I better quit. He signs my paycheck you know. You all just keep hating and we'll keep innovating.
 
Want a job no. I guarantee at my prior enlisted O-3 pay, and martial arts school income, that I make more than you for selling your soul.

Oh Jack might not like it. Whatever have Jack come here and explain how it is safer. Good grief you have got to be kidding.

And for the record you guys haven't innovated anything, just copycat other producers inventions.

Those in the know, know that VPX is crap, and can't back up their claims. Your above post was proof.
 
That was funny. Is it me or does VPX lose every debate?

VPX an innovator? That is the funniest thing I've ever heard.
 
bigswole30 said:
Our prices are high, I will admit. Have you ever been to the "O" or to the Arnold? Who has the best booth???? Those things cost. We just printed 250,000 free mags. That cost!!!!!!! I do not recall BDC(no offense) giving out any magazines. VPX just built a 4 million dollar lab to make their own liquids. Does BDC, 1fast, LG etc.... have their own lab? Do these companies employ any actual chemist that work in-house? I hate to bring these things up, but this has to be taken into account when talking prices. The R&D at VPX is crazy. They employ nurses to conduct blood test. Like you said, I could go on and on.
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I have re-opened this thread to allow bigswole30 an opportunity to respond to my questions concerning his above quoted post.

First, I AM A CHEMIST. So, by default I employ a full time staff chemist. Also, I DO HAVE A LAB. This is where I do most of my custom manufacture for all types of companies...liquid research included. Lastly, those free mags are advertisements so it should be called marketing and not literature.

Now, let's move on to the cited post queries.

Bigswole, you've opened a can of worms with your statement about nurses taking blood tests. I want you to scan those tests and post them here. I want you to explain what they were testing for and why.

Don't post a bullshit rebuttal. I respect your integrity thus far so don't change that by posting some smoke screen. Post those blood tests.

Chemo
 
bigswole30 said:
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As for our next product,M1,4ADD or 7-OHN, what do you think about a m-5aa-cyp. Imagine a 17aa product w/ a cyp ester. Think utside the box.
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Are you serious? The only thing that would accomplish is extended release and a 90% chance of causing liver damage. The only box you're thinking outside of is a funeral casket. I hope VPX has some serious liability insurance.

For the safety of the consumer listen to my warning. Your main market are those that are not steroid vets and only know prohormones. They have no idea about 17-a anything let alone an esterfied modification. Can you imagine if someone with no clue dosed 400 mg of the M5AA cyp??? How long do you think he could keep that up before he becomes jaundiced?? The problem is that after it presents there is nothing he can do about it since the cyp will continue to release for weeks. This is the most irresponsible and moronic product proposal I have ever heard...even from VPX. This does not sound unsafe....IT IS LETHAL.

VPX is playing with people's lives now. Understand this is not a game. The first person that dies from this dangerous M5AA cyp will bankrupt VPX.

Chemo
 
"Chemo,

If you would could please send me an email or pm about jjorgensen? I am not so sure he is part of VPX!! I will always say openly that I work for VPX. Hell, I am proud to work at one of the best sports nutrition companies around."



I am just a newbie reading my ass off trying to learn about prohormones, roids, etc. I want nothing to do with this big debate. Like I said I'm here to learn. But to clear one thing up, jjorgensen is my workout partner and DOES NOT WORK FOR VPX. I learned EVERYTHING I know about working out from him, he was a trainer. Ive gained 35lbs of muscle only off only creatine working out with him. We are both looking fore bigger gains. He got me into thinking about prohormones for better results and showed me this website to better learn us about it all. Thats all, nothing more.
Im in california and M-1-t and 4ad is not sold anymore. Basically everyone that I talk to recomends vpx. But with all the bad talk about it online, maybe there is something better.
Love the site and thanks for all the info.
Btw, still looking for a cylce keep up the chat, I NEED TO LEARN MORE.
 
john737 said:
"Chemo,

If you would could please send me an email or pm about jjorgensen? I am not so sure he is part of VPX!! I will always say openly that I work for VPX. Hell, I am proud to work at one of the best sports nutrition companies around."



I am just a newbie reading my ass off trying to learn about prohormones, roids, etc. I want nothing to do with this big debate. Like I said I'm here to learn. But to clear one thing up, jjorgensen is my workout partner and DOES NOT WORK FOR VPX. I learned EVERYTHING I know about working out from him, he was a trainer. Ive gained 35lbs of muscle only off only creatine working out with him. We are both looking fore bigger gains. He got me into thinking about prohormones for better results and showed me this website to better learn us about it all. Thats all, nothing more.
Im in california and M-1-t and 4ad is not sold anymore. Basically everyone that I talk to recomends vpx. But with all the bad talk about it online, maybe there is something better.
Love the site and thanks for all the info.
Btw, still looking for a cylce keep up the chat, I NEED TO LEARN MORE.
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You said he was a trainer and you learned from him, yet he said he was a newbie and that he hasnt been training very long. So that proves 1 or 2 things.
1. Your full of **** about him being a trainer, and shouldnt bother typing.
or
2. Everyones right about him being full of **** along with stupid marketing tactics.
 
Jason161 said:
You said he was a trainer and you learned from him, yet he said he was a newbie and that he hasnt been training very long. So that proves 1 or 2 things.
1. Your full of **** about him being a trainer, and shouldnt bother typing.
or
2. Everyones right about him being full of **** along with stupid marketing tactics.
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I can tell you that the guy does not work for VPX. I am in the offices every day. Also, the guy said he was new to prohormones not training. He posted pics of his contest.
 
So why haven't you answered back, with the previous mentioned questions? Are you in over your head? Why not have some of your "chemists" or the owner of your company come in here?
 
I am not in over my head. I do not have the knowledge of Chemo, I will be the first to admit, but I can hold my own. I just wanting to give you guys something to pick apart at. We are not coming out with M-5aa-CYP. I aplogize. Also, I wish Jack or some of our chemist would come online, but they are busy coming up with new ideas and choose not to get in pissing matches with other companies. VPX had a meeting with a group of scientist the other day and Jack has some great stuff in the works. VPX products speak for themselves. I know this will be considered a cop-out, but I was asked not to get involved in an argument. Take it for what it is worth.
 
Because they always lose and it looks bad for the company. I can understand why they would tell you not too. Its not even you, if gopro. The man is so clueless that I feel pity on him.

And what ideas have they come up with lately? M1T? M4AD? Liposome technology? Adding esters? Nope. They just stole that from everyone else yet label themselves as an innovator.

Its so funny.
 
Bobo said:
Because they always lose and it looks bad for the company. I can understand why they would tell you not too. Its not even you, if gopro. The man is so clueless that I feel pity on him.

And what ideas have they come up with lately? M1T? M4AD? Liposome technology? Adding esters? Nope. They just stole that from everyone else yet label themselves as an innovator.

Its so funny.
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What is funny is that despite the bashing that VPX takes on these boards we are the fastest growing company in the ijndustry. Now that is funny, but you guy's keep trying to bring us down.
 
bigswole30 said:
What is funny is that despite the bashing that VPX takes on these boards we are the fastest growing company in the ijndustry. Now that is funny, but you guy's keep trying to bring us down.
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So theres no point in getting peeved over the guys here trying to bring big VPX down right?.
Now how about that blood tests you mentioned. I'm interested to see what liposomal polylipidity does especially VPX's own m-1-t.
 
MarcusG said:
So theres no point in getting peeved over the guys here trying to bring big VPX down right?.
Now how about that blood tests you mentioned. I'm interested to see what liposomal polylipidity does especially VPX's own m-1-t.
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I have never stated that our delivery system does anything to better the M-1-T.
 
Whatever, what I meant was to reiterate Chemo's suggestion to scan and post the results of blood tests which were conducted at VPX (which you said was done).

VPX has made many claims though Gopro, Bodyfx, Sixsense and I'd like to see something in black and white. So c'mon where is it?
 
bigswole30 said:
What is funny is that despite the bashing that VPX takes on these boards we are the fastest growing company in the ijndustry. Now that is funny, but you guy's keep trying to bring us down.
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So was the crack industry in the mid 80's, what is you point? That you spend milllions and millions marketing to the uninformed? Oh ok, that maes your arguement valid. :rolleyes:

This gets too easy sometimes.
 
Bobo said:
So was the crack industry in the mid 80's, what is you point? That you spend milllions and millions marketing to the uninformed? Oh ok, that maes your arguement valid. :rolleyes:

This gets too easy sometimes.
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My point is that if VPX did not make great products they would not be growing like they are.... we would be going down like EAS, Twinlab etc......
 
bigswole30 said:
My point is that if VPX did not make great products they would not be growing like they are.... we would be going down like EAS, Twinlab etc......
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Popularity = Marketing.

Those company's are no longer on the edge of what's hot in the supplement industry. If creatine was all the rage again then I have no doubts VPX would sprout a huge marketing campaign to tout their wares. If they didn't have any wears, they'd make some, slap a label on it and have Ewok there write an article about it claiming how it's the purest form of human grade..... BULLSHIT.

MS Server OS's continue to our number Unix/Linux server OS's. Why? Think MS has the best product? Nope. They just market themselves better.

They market how incredibly easy and intutive their software is.. making it possible for any monkey of an IT person that never went to school to figure out. They cater to and pray on the uninformed.

Fact is, people are looking for a short cut. Who really wants to spend 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, 51 weeks a year in the gym to hustle and beat their bodies into a pulp to achieve the look they want? Oh yeah... lets add in the time spent in figuring out a nutrition plan and sticking to it. If there was an easier way people would take it.

Fact is, there isn't an easier way. However, as humans we always want a short cut. VPX takes gross advantage of this human instinct to push products that aren't any better than what other's have yet they put a premium them to buy.

The services I offer my clients aren't really any better than what my competitor down the street can offer (actually, they are. heh). Yet my prices and marketing makes my clients think they are getting something much better and for triple the price they'd pay elsewhere.

Create a demand and supply it. People WILL pay whatever to be part of something that's in demand.

Basic business economics :)

Marketing makes the world go round and profits go higher.

Aaron
 
MuscleTech outsells everyone, and we all know how good they are. It just means that your sucker advertising is working on the non-informed with your steroid sounding names.
 
Yeah, thats it, jealousy. I'm jealous that I'm not spending 3 to 5 times as much as I do now on stuff that at best is no better than what I have now and at worst is considerably less effective.:rolleyes:
 
Sir Foxx said:
Yeah, thats it, jealousy. I'm jealous that I'm not spending 3 to 5 times as much as I do now on stuff that at best is no better than what I have now and at worst is considerably less effective.:rolleyes:
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I'll seccond that. :p
 
Sir Foxx said:
Yeah, thats it, jealousy. I'm jealous that I'm not spending 3 to 5 times as much as I do now on stuff that at best is no better than what I have now and at worst is considerably less effective.:rolleyes:
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Say what you want. All of the things being said have been said before and VPX just keeps getting more and more satisfied customers. I spoke to a guy today that has added about 50 pounds since he began using VPX. He actually has pics on here. When you are adding that kind of muscle who cares what it costs.
 
When you can add that same amount of muscle for a fraction of the cost and not support a company that places greenbacks over peoples health, it does matter.
 
Like I said before Bigswole. You guys get business because you are the whores of the PH industry. Muscletech with a different product, but same tactics. It is quite ammusing.

To bad you guys can't back up your so called scientific research though. Oh and I love how you come out with new copycat items all the time.
 
sifu said:
Like I said before Bigswole. You guys get business because you are the whores of the PH industry. Muscletech with a different product, but same tactics. It is quite ammusing.

To bad you guys can't back up your so called scientific research though. Oh and I love how you come out with new copycat items all the time.
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Look I have tried to be nice, but this is out of hand. You guys have no clue about VPX and what goes on here. Science is in the air here. One of your well lnown mods knows that I am not full of **** when I make a comment. Keep on you guys... I am sorry you all are missing out.
 
When you make a comment on what? The only reason your allowed here is because you don't hide the fact that you work for VPX so don't act like we have some secret understanding because we don't. You don't even make any scientific statements here so therefore your not completely pounced upon. GoPro has and we basically ripped him a new asshole. All he is is a trainer. Big deal. Working for VPX is your job and it puts food on the table. I won't criticize you for that. But don't come on here saying everyone is jealous of VPX and that you are a big innovator and leader in the inustry because everyone knows thats a bunch of bullshit.

If your not a spokesman for the company and they don't want you to get into details about products, then do everyone else a favor and don't comment on how great your company is either. You will surely take heat for it, so you better get used to it.

Sounds more like bullshit is in the air.
 
Well, with that attitude, if I go, I will make sure to come by the booth and personally tell you that your company SUCKS.
 
bigswole30 said:
PS..... Ban me, who cares, but when you do please come meet me face to face at all the big expos this year.
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Idol threats from a child.


Your a joke little man and so is your company.
 
Here's a PM from your neighborhood VPX employee.

"You are a joke!!!!!!"


Those VPX employee's aren't the smartest of people :D

I love how they conduct business....hehe
 
bigswole30 said:
When you are adding that kind of muscle who cares what it costs.
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...which is why ALL of MY muscle comes courtesy of MuscleTech and VPX via GNC baby!! booyah!!







man I love threads like these :D
 
Yeah but I feel bad sometimes. Its like I'm winning an event in the Special Olympics. :D
 
Bobo said:
Yeah but I feel bad sometimes. Its like I'm winning an event in the Special Olympics. :D
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lol



but, they can't all be Superbowls... even the "special" kids need to feel competitive, even if they don't fully understand where they are or what they're doing :)

(any truly "special" folks out there, I apologize if my comments appear in any way crass or insensitive... VPX, as I remain ever unimpressed by either your products or your business methods, you may continue to suck my balls :) )
 
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