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Vicious Labs PHs

netflixNchill said:
Ill say this, if it is wrong in any way, Zoo wasn’t behind it. (Manufacturer would be at fault) He admires his followers/supporters more than we admire his products, so I’m sure this will be figured out.
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I know this as well! Zoo is a good man. All I know is I would consider myself fairly experienced with this stuff and msten specifically. This just doesn’t feel like the last run of msten I got from VL.
 
I’m sorry to hear, guys. Definitely interested in hearing updates on this. I do believe that ZOO wouldn’t knowingly do this himself, if this is the case. I’ve been around long enough to know he’s a straight forward kinda guy. He wouldn’t put something out acknowledging it being bunk product. Just doesn’t add up, other than the manufacturer or supplier being at fault. Though, I must say, I’m glad I have a decent amount of his original batch that has been known to be top notch. Same with the dmz and m1a. All are proven good to go from his original element line, that’s for sure. Regardless, I do hope your guy’s gains kick in soon and this can all be but a folk tale.
 
Just to clear up some things for those who didn't see the other thread ... one person questioning about Pyrosten being legit was only taking 3/4 of the cap twice a day ... I'm on the hydrobol and can guarantee this is good stuff
 
Im shocked so far!
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Just to clear up some things for those who didn't see the other thread ... one person questioning about Pyrosten being legit was only taking 3/4 of the cap twice a day ... I'm on the hydrobol and can guarantee this is good stuff
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??*♂️??*♂️??*♂️
 
Sss23 said:
Any update on if these new PH batch is legit?
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they are absolutely legit.. the couple of people who questioned the msten were pleasantly suprised. the guy who ran 10 mgs was one of them.
we have had zero complaints other than the couple people here on AM who questioned the msten..
 
Sss23 said:
Any update on if these new PH batch is legit?
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they are absolutely legit.. the couple of people who questioned the msten were pleasantly suprised. the guy who ran 10 mgs was one of them.
we have had zero complaints other than the couple people here on AM who questioned the msten..
 
Sss23 said:
Any update on if these new PH batch is legit?
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they are absolutely legit.. the couple of people who questioned the msten were pleasantly suprised. the guy who ran 10 mgs was one of them.
we have had zero complaints other than the couple people here on AM who questioned the msten..
 
Glad to see another sale up and live!
 
jrock645 said:
Any feedback on necrosis?
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ive been using it for the last 4 weeks after my T3 run.. to be honest and fair.. i have used this type product in the past many times weather it be strict GDA or the opposite, a strait t2 product.. I like them and run them often.. this one is ~fire~ you will thoroughly enjoy this product and I myself have seen continued results with my diet which is loosely based on a IF/iiFYM combo.. after 20+ weeks i am still seeing daily improvements and i feel like this product has been a great addition especially all things considered.

i dug a little and found nubioso posted something about it and i have seen several positive posts on Vl forums along with the private FB crowds.
 
jrock645 said:
You ran 10mg of what?
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I ran 10mg of their msten or 1 cap a day. They give enough to run 3 caps a day. If i had ran 3 caps i think i would have gained a lot more. I am not saying it is underdosed - but i wonder because 10mg of anteaus ultradrol would have given better gains in my opinion. That being said, however, i think its still a good deal even if it was slightly underdosed i think its still probably a good deal.
 
Joshinator said:
I ran 10mg of their msten or 1 cap a day. They give enough to run 3 caps a day. If i had ran 3 caps i think i would have gained a lot more. I am not saying it is underdosed - but i wonder because 10mg of anteaus ultradrol would have given better gains in my opinion. That being said, however, i think its still a good deal even if it was slightly underdosed i think its still probably a good deal.
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I think that when we compare, we need to try and compare apples to apples. Instead of comparing it to a product that was around 10 years (or so) ago, we should compare to what is around today.
There have been many reports of Ultadrol not being exactly what the label said, and going by all of the second hand information I have seen, I believe that to be true.
Instead of asking if this product is underdosed, the better question would probably be... What was really in the Ultradrol bottle?
 
Renew1 said:
I think that when we compare, we need to try and compare apples to apples. Instead of comparing it to a product that was around 10 years (or so) ago, we should compare to what is around today.
There have been many reports of Ultadrol not being exactly what the label said, and going by all of the second hand information I have seen, I believe that to be true.
Instead of asking if this product is underdosed, the better question would probably be... What was really in the Ultradrol bottle?
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Yeah good point. Thats a better question the ask. In anycase, i do believe pyrosten to be a good product.
 
Eh, Ultradrol wasn’t special, to me. I mean I didn’t blow up on it at all. 20-32mg of Ultradrol wasn’t any better than 30-45mg DMZ. I can’t imagine even imagine getting much out of it had I only taken 12mg.

I think 10mg of Msten/day was a waste back then as much as it is now.
 
Hyde said:
Eh, Ultradrol wasn’t special, to me. I mean I didn’t blow up on it at all. 20-32mg of Ultradrol wasn’t any better than 30-45mg DMZ. I can’t imagine even imagine getting much out of it had I only taken 12mg.

I think 10mg of Msten/day was a waste back then as much as it is now.
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Wow. Thanks for the input. I never ran the original (that I remember). I was just going off of so many comments that I've read over the years.

But yeah, I'd never run Msten at 10mg.
 
well whoever thinks vls stuff is bunk that's cool more for the rest of us who know it's legit
 
Hyde said:
Eh, Ultradrol wasn’t special, to me. I mean I didn’t blow up on it at all. 20-32mg of Ultradrol wasn’t any better than 30-45mg DMZ. I can’t imagine even imagine getting much out of it had I only taken 12mg.

I think 10mg of Msten/day was a waste back then as much as it is now.
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What's your favorite of all time? and whats your favorite non-banned PH/AAS?
 
Non banned orals?
Probably DMZ, and Anavar.

*Sorry....you said non banned, and AAS. So I'm not sure if Anavar would fit your category or not.
 
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Renew1 said:
Non banned orals?
Probably DMZ, and Anavar.

*Sorry....you said non banned, and AAS. So I'm not sure if Anavar would fit your category or not.
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Msten is not a prohormone, its an already active steroid. That makes it an Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid or AAS for short.
 
Joshinator said:
Msten is not a prohormone, its an already active steroid. That makes it an Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid or AAS for short.
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Uhhh...Yep. I know that.

You said... "Favorite non banned PH and AAS".
That is why I memtioned DMZ, and Anavar (and I clarified the Anavar comment for you).
I never mentioned Msten, so I'm not sure what your comment to me means.
 
Renew1 said:
Uhhh...Yep. I know that.

You said... "Favorite non banned PH and AAS".
That is why I memtioned DMZ, and Anavar (and I clarified the Anavar comment for you).
I never mentioned Msten, so I'm not sure what your comment to me means.
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Anavar is banned in the US. Are you not in the US? I was under the impression you were you were insinuating I was mis using the term "AAS" by including anavar. I misunderstood you, got you now.
 
Joshinator said:
Anavar is banned in the US. Are you not in the US? I was under the impression you were you were insinuating I was mis using the term "AAS" by including anavar. I misunderstood you, got you now.
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No, I wasn't insinuating anything. I was trying to clarify my answer to you.
Anavar isn't banned. It is a prescription AAS, so it is illegal to possess without a prescription. ...which (again) is why I was clarifying my answer.
But I'm still not sure what Msten had to do with it. :-)
Take care man.
 
Joshinator said:
What's your favorite of all time? and whats your favorite non-banned PH/AAS?
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Trenavar at 150mg+. Not the biggest I’ve been, but the strongest. And a metabolic powerhouse. Could rip through carbs and barely gain fat. Crazy anger and libido.

DMZ is one of my fav orals for sides: results ratio.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i wasnt that impress..
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Were you recomping or trying to straight bulk? I noticed it's good for someone who has trouble eating enough. It seems to make the caloric window for recomp much wider. I could see it not really shining on a real bulk up. And you have to take kind-of a lot 45-60mg unless you stack it. Usually they only give you enough to do 30mg.

Seemed like it didn't matter what I ate or how I trained, I got better every day.

So yeah, favorite non banned AAS definitely Methyldiazirinol. M1-Alpha being a close second.

Favorite AAS of all time though, 1-T for sure. Absolutely unequivocally hands down the best steroid ever created. In any form, always an awesome and productive run.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I’ve heard people say it’s like a hybrid between var and sdrol. Mild but great nutrient partitioning effects. I want to try it myself.
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An oral that acts more like injected tren, with the sides of anavar and the rapid action of superdrol. Sort of.
 
wasnt impressed. evewn at higher doses.
i used the LGI stuff myself
epistane is stronger at higher doses than this IMO
 
I used the Lgi Triumphalis but I’m pretty sure mine was bunk or severely underdosed. I worked up to 75 or 90mg if I remember correctly.
 
boooosted said:
3,3-azo-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Is this Triumphalis? A local shop here sells it and he calls it Var.
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That is Triumphalis. There is a brand of it called Azavar, too. I'll be honest it's a lot more powerful than anavar, but same relative side effects. Basically should be a smooth productive ride. Good times.
 
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