BigThreeForMe
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First off, let me say I've gathered a great deal of useful information from this site and am happy to finally join. To briefly introduce myself, I'm a serious lifter with over a decade of experience under my belt despite my age, a powerlifter with a near 1500 total, and a certified personal trainer. Quick stats are currently 5'11" 220lbs and 24 years old.
I have a confusing series of circumstances all hitting me simultaneously and need some advice to properly navigate the most effective path through them all.
Despite my age and endocrinologist started me on TRT roughly four months ago after I complained of issues like lethargy/depression/mood swings/difficulty losing weight and my blood work came back with a 330 serum and 9.6 free test level. Trusting his expertise I began a regimen of one 5g Testim gel packet daily, and my past two lab results came back with a 590 and 582 serum test level and free test at the top of the "normal" range for the lab, which my doctor considers a success. For the record, I had never previously experimented with any form of AAS I know of or can remember (unsure if whether when young and dumb I picked something up at *** in the pre-ban days loaded with a PH ex. Animal Stack).
All was well in life, I felt better for weeks, and I continued to progress in the gym ultimately reaching a peak of 228lbs with a 500lb squat, 585lb deadlift and 405lb bench. Life was good and I began preparation for my next meet when I suffered a partial tear of my right pectoral muscle while benching (there's a reason you stop at five sets above 90%!!!).
During initial healing I was unable to lift so began a carb backloading routine with light workouts and cardio to cut bodyfat since I had no use for excess adipose tissue with no powerlifting in my near future. At the same time, I suppose my natural test production bottomed out and that previous wonderful feeling I had on TRT seemed to level out with it. I also grew increasingly annoyed with my endocrinologists arrogance and refusal to test ANYTHING but free/serum testosterone levels.
As I lost size, down to a low of 210lbs but now around 10% bodyfat, I devised a plan for recovery and further progress with the intent of safe, effective and educated AAS use for the first time. I purchased clomiphene, tamoxifen, exemestane, toremifene, and real pharmaceudical HCG first, literally covering any and all options as far as PCT goes. I had also been given a bottle of a superdrol clone by a friend, so then purchased CoQ10, Red Yeast Rice, NAC, Sylimarin, Saw Palmetto, Aged Garlic, Policosanol, Fenugreek, Innate Naturals pure fish oil, and a cholesterol support supplement to cover those bases as well.
With these precautions on hand, and with my discomfort with how my TRT was being handled I devised the following plan:
Heal while running the support supplements for the superdrol, when healed run superdrol to carefully regain some lost mass/strength from injury, use HCG/Tor/Aromasin to come off of both superdrol AND cease TRT simultaneously, allow my body to recover over a few months, run basic cycle of test E/Cyp (500-600mg/week) to boost past previous strength/mass levels and compete in 242 weight class, run similar if not more comprehensive PCT and continue from there properly cycling on/off indefinitely.
So here's where I am in this plan, and wherein I reach my big question. I'm beginning week two of the superdrol, feel great and have gained back to 220 while keeping my bodyfat around the same. Blood pressure is 120/60, no signs of liver stress (I've also been sober for a year beforehand and eat a VERY clean diet), continue to run all support supplements, and havent even experienced the back pump issues or testicular shrinkage yet. Recovery is going VERY well with my chest and the defect has shrunk significantly, and I'm at full strength for nearly all other muscle groups. I'm also still on TRT going on five months with no bloodwork planned for another three months, but still no feedback from my doctor.
Now the big question: Should I finish the superdrol and run PCT coming off the SD and TRT at the same time and wait the few months before a full test cycle, or may I as well stay on TRT for now after superdrol, just run some aromasin/HCG to help reduce sides coming off SD while doing so, and use it as a bridge until the test cycle, ie cruise/blast. I suppose what I'm asking is once I'm shut down, which I'm sure I am, may I just as well stay on TRT until that test cycle and decide what to do about TRT going forward after that? Is there really no difference as far as my production is concerned; as in I can't be any more shut down than already shut down, and length of time in such a state makes no difference in recovering?
I understand TRT should be for life and my natural levels are crap, but I'm not sold on this endocrinologist and don't know how long it will take to find a better one my insurance covers. My only real concern is if stopping in a few weeks and running a cycle in a few months makes any difference coming off that cycle than just staying on until that cycle and stopping after it. I also wouldn't be opposed to lifetime TRT if I had a god endo and was permitted to perform my own injections. I'm tired of daily sticky goop and my endo requires an office visit for every injection and a copay with each one. I'm also concerned about letting my test levels drop too far coming off this superdrol, even with PCT, while trying to heal an injury.
I know this is long and confusing but I really appreciate the help. Thank you all for putting up with this post!
BigThree
I have a confusing series of circumstances all hitting me simultaneously and need some advice to properly navigate the most effective path through them all.
Despite my age and endocrinologist started me on TRT roughly four months ago after I complained of issues like lethargy/depression/mood swings/difficulty losing weight and my blood work came back with a 330 serum and 9.6 free test level. Trusting his expertise I began a regimen of one 5g Testim gel packet daily, and my past two lab results came back with a 590 and 582 serum test level and free test at the top of the "normal" range for the lab, which my doctor considers a success. For the record, I had never previously experimented with any form of AAS I know of or can remember (unsure if whether when young and dumb I picked something up at *** in the pre-ban days loaded with a PH ex. Animal Stack).
All was well in life, I felt better for weeks, and I continued to progress in the gym ultimately reaching a peak of 228lbs with a 500lb squat, 585lb deadlift and 405lb bench. Life was good and I began preparation for my next meet when I suffered a partial tear of my right pectoral muscle while benching (there's a reason you stop at five sets above 90%!!!).
During initial healing I was unable to lift so began a carb backloading routine with light workouts and cardio to cut bodyfat since I had no use for excess adipose tissue with no powerlifting in my near future. At the same time, I suppose my natural test production bottomed out and that previous wonderful feeling I had on TRT seemed to level out with it. I also grew increasingly annoyed with my endocrinologists arrogance and refusal to test ANYTHING but free/serum testosterone levels.
As I lost size, down to a low of 210lbs but now around 10% bodyfat, I devised a plan for recovery and further progress with the intent of safe, effective and educated AAS use for the first time. I purchased clomiphene, tamoxifen, exemestane, toremifene, and real pharmaceudical HCG first, literally covering any and all options as far as PCT goes. I had also been given a bottle of a superdrol clone by a friend, so then purchased CoQ10, Red Yeast Rice, NAC, Sylimarin, Saw Palmetto, Aged Garlic, Policosanol, Fenugreek, Innate Naturals pure fish oil, and a cholesterol support supplement to cover those bases as well.
With these precautions on hand, and with my discomfort with how my TRT was being handled I devised the following plan:
Heal while running the support supplements for the superdrol, when healed run superdrol to carefully regain some lost mass/strength from injury, use HCG/Tor/Aromasin to come off of both superdrol AND cease TRT simultaneously, allow my body to recover over a few months, run basic cycle of test E/Cyp (500-600mg/week) to boost past previous strength/mass levels and compete in 242 weight class, run similar if not more comprehensive PCT and continue from there properly cycling on/off indefinitely.
So here's where I am in this plan, and wherein I reach my big question. I'm beginning week two of the superdrol, feel great and have gained back to 220 while keeping my bodyfat around the same. Blood pressure is 120/60, no signs of liver stress (I've also been sober for a year beforehand and eat a VERY clean diet), continue to run all support supplements, and havent even experienced the back pump issues or testicular shrinkage yet. Recovery is going VERY well with my chest and the defect has shrunk significantly, and I'm at full strength for nearly all other muscle groups. I'm also still on TRT going on five months with no bloodwork planned for another three months, but still no feedback from my doctor.
Now the big question: Should I finish the superdrol and run PCT coming off the SD and TRT at the same time and wait the few months before a full test cycle, or may I as well stay on TRT for now after superdrol, just run some aromasin/HCG to help reduce sides coming off SD while doing so, and use it as a bridge until the test cycle, ie cruise/blast. I suppose what I'm asking is once I'm shut down, which I'm sure I am, may I just as well stay on TRT until that test cycle and decide what to do about TRT going forward after that? Is there really no difference as far as my production is concerned; as in I can't be any more shut down than already shut down, and length of time in such a state makes no difference in recovering?
I understand TRT should be for life and my natural levels are crap, but I'm not sold on this endocrinologist and don't know how long it will take to find a better one my insurance covers. My only real concern is if stopping in a few weeks and running a cycle in a few months makes any difference coming off that cycle than just staying on until that cycle and stopping after it. I also wouldn't be opposed to lifetime TRT if I had a god endo and was permitted to perform my own injections. I'm tired of daily sticky goop and my endo requires an office visit for every injection and a copay with each one. I'm also concerned about letting my test levels drop too far coming off this superdrol, even with PCT, while trying to heal an injury.
I know this is long and confusing but I really appreciate the help. Thank you all for putting up with this post!
BigThree
D) then either get tested without going back on it, or start it back up after the PCT, who knows, maybe the PCT will bring you back to a more normal re-started state (I'm not saying its likely, but its not impossible).
