VECTOR

[justhere4comm]

Plse stop!!! Are there so many children on this board that buy this nonsense you spew endlessly. Bloodwork?? Give me a break. You cant be that desperate to rely on that garbage. Anecdotal evidence, you can find every supp in this board has tonnes of postive rave reviews. Its all part of the initial marketing hype which fizzles out eventually in diasspointment, reformulations, or the 'next killer natty anabolic' that blows away everything that came before

Well, time will tell the story just like it has for Follidrone 2.0 for instance. A reformulation of the first to market of a solo (-)-epicatechin product that was also dosed properly. Reformulations aren't a bad thing as they improve on what is already great to begin with. You will also notice there hasn't been an FD3. It's a great stand alone product with an insane label that is effective, and stood the test of time.

Vector is next in that great lineup, then our Pre-workout all things being held equal and accountable.
Time. It will tell the story my man. We count on it.

-M

 

[whit2417]

Well, time will tell the story just like it has for Follidrone 2.0 for instance. A reformulation of the first to market of a solo (-)-epicatechin product that was also dosed properly. Reformulations aren't a bad thing as they improve on what is already great to begin with. You will also notice there hasn't been an FD3. It's a great stand alone product with an insane label that is effective, and stood the test of time.

Vector is next in that great lineup, then our Pre-workout all things being held equal and accountable.
Time. It will tell the story my man. We count on it.

-M

I've been interested in running FD 2.0 for a little while now. With the vector release I am a little torn... Would you go with FD first or Vector? Budget at the moment doesn't allow room for both unfortunately.

 

[justhere4comm]

I've been interested in running FD 2.0 for a little while now. With the vector release I am a little torn... Would you go with FD first or Vector? Budget at the moment doesn't allow room for both unfortunately.

Man, do I understand that. It's a tough call because Follidrone 2 is amazing. What are your goals?
Either way, you'd have to get two tubs for the run. FD2 gets better as time goes on for sure, and you'll not want a gap after the first so plan on just hitting it and continuing.

FD2 is like a really great friend. You don't notice it, until they are gone for a while and then you have this empty feeling. It's gradual and definite the impact on you, but the real tell is when it's taken away. I love it, which is why I incorporated it after my first tub of Vector. I'm actually using Vector on a cut. A long and beautifully drawn out 12 week cut. 3 tubs of Vector, and 2 of FD2, then I'll stop for a week and more than likely continue FD2. I'm not sure but it's going so well right now.

It's a touch decision but you cannot go wrong. Make a choice, then commit to your goal, and pull the trigger.
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I'm leaning towards *Vector as a choice because you can really feel the difference in the first week. And, you can always add in Follidrone 2.0 later on in your run if you want. Then you can see how it makes a difference.

*For me it was:

• Better Sleep / Vivid Dreams (Crazy cool, Day 4,5)
• Energy; Endurance, and Power Output (Gradually increased - Week 5/6 more profound)
• Muscle Fullness - all day long
• Legs, Calves and Quads are really responding (Only riding my bike to work at the moment)
• Increase in agression / assertiveness

I am getting comments from workmates about being swole AF. When I wear a T-shirt. I'm not even in the gym, it's all about that 8 mile ride and holding on for my life while I am literally sprinting and cruising the entire way. Isometrics works and I also use parallel bars at home now, until I can get 100% (ribs injured from a bike fall). Just give that another read if you need. It's the real deal. I'm retaining muscle if not growing, on a cut in a deficit.

Recomp is no lie. Gaining muscle while losing fat.

 

[bigsmall]

Plse stop!!! Are there so many children on this board that buy this nonsense you spew endlessly. Bloodwork?? Give me a break. You cant be that desperate to rely on that garbage. Anecdotal evidence, you can find every supp in this board has tonnes of postive rave reviews. Its all part of the initial marketing hype which fizzles out eventually in diasspointment, reformulations, or the 'next killer natty anabolic' that blows away everything that came before

Get some help brah.

 

[aovereem]

The evidence is my personal experience bro - I have done many Osta runs and many Andro runs - Vector blows Osta away and is more in line with Andros but can be run as a staple without side effects, PCT etc.. Get with the times bro lol...and go look at the tons of other folks comments and logs claiming the same thing.

Scientists have tried to develop anabolic compounds without (androgenic) side-effects ever since testosterone was synthesized in the 30s. BLR must have made a gigantic pharmaceutical breakthrough. GTx, Gsk and Ligand must be shaking in their boots...

 

[justhere4comm]

Scientists have tried to develop anabolic compounds without (androgenic) side-effects ever since testosterone was synthesized in the 30s. BLR must have made a gigantic pharmaceutical breakthrough. GTx, Gsk and Ligand must be shaking in their boots...

We've earned our place in the market of natural supplements that are extremely effective. Vector is no different, and as I stated in my previous post, Time, will tell as it always does how effective. So far, it's gotten stellar reviews.

I would also, never offer my personal opinion on a substance I've never tried.
I'm sure you feel the same way, no?

Now, let's turn that frown, upside down.

 

[suspectjason]

can anyone share there thoughts on how effective vector would be on a low carb keto diet ? While also eating in a small window 2 to 4 hours

 

[justhere4comm]

can anyone share there thoughts on how effective vector would be on a low carb keto diet ? While also eating in a small window 2 to 4 hours

I’m low carb and doing well. What you are considering is keto with Intermittent Fasting. If you do well taking it on an empty stomach like me, no problem.

Is your window of opportunity for eating work based? It seems rather tight.

 

[ucheoma]

Get some help brah.

Youre on the board to wind people up! I get that and never taken you seriously!! But your shrill nonsense deflects from what may be the positives of BLR products

 

[BBiceps]

Plse stop!!! Are there so many children on this board that buy this nonsense you spew endlessly. Bloodwork?? Give me a break. You cant be that desperate to rely on that garbage. Anecdotal evidence, you can find every supp in this board has tonnes of postive rave reviews. Its all part of the initial marketing hype which fizzles out eventually in diasspointment, reformulations, or the 'next killer natty anabolic' that blows away everything that came before

I’m with you on this, it’s too much bs on this board lately. Now I happen to actually like Vector but all this hype is turning me off and this blood work they speak of is from a guy that already was taking Clomid, it’s misleading to say Vector raised his test levels by itself. When I take Clomid my levels get to 900 as well...

 

[justhere4comm]

You men are welcome to ignore people who bother you. If you wish to focus on one person then you will never be satisfied.

We have a great many other people using it successfully.

 

[brundel]

Plse stop!!! Are there so many children on this board that buy this nonsense you spew endlessly. Bloodwork?? Give me a break. You cant be that desperate to rely on that garbage. Anecdotal evidence, you can find every supp in this board has tonnes of postive rave reviews. Its all part of the initial marketing hype which fizzles out eventually in diasspointment, reformulations, or the 'next killer natty anabolic' that blows away everything that came before

1. Try to be respectful. Nobody was talking to you or addressing you in any way. Coming into a thread just to post some rant makes you look like you are mentally unstable, and, attacking someone for no reason isnt a good look either. One of the primary purposes of this forum is anecdotal evidence. Logs for example. You have been here long enough to know this.
2. While every company makes claims that their products are awesome ours actually are. Yes companies hype up their new products but ours continue to get rave reviews for years. There is a 250000 view Follidrone 2 thread for example that still gets daily posts and positive reviews nearly 3 years after product launch. This is because our products actually work.
3.Vector does blow away everything else. Just is what it is. ITs not hype, its not marketing, its just the truth. You dont have to like it, you dont have to like anything but please dont fill threads with rants and insults. If you dont like it ,its all good man. You dont have to be here.

 

[brundel]

can anyone share there thoughts on how effective vector would be on a low carb keto diet ? While also eating in a small window 2 to 4 hours

I have 2 close friends who are on keto diets who are running BLR stacks.
Follidrone, Vector, Viron.
One just won a natural comp.
These guys. One hasnt had a real carb source in 6 months.
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[brundel]

Scientists have tried to develop anabolic compounds without (androgenic) side-effects ever since testosterone was synthesized in the 30s. BLR must have made a gigantic pharmaceutical breakthrough. GTx, Gsk and Ligand must be shaking in their boots...

Just to be clear your stating that because pharmaceutical companies dont sell it it cant work?
Im sure you understand that pharmaceutical companies are not really about health or healing or wellness. They are about money. Period.
There is no money in something they didnt create like a plant and cannot patent.
This is also why big pharma actively combats anything natural that competes. CBDs for example. Or Kratom.

 

[mbonheur]

I’m with you on this, it’s too much bs on this board lately. Now I happen to actually like Vector but all this hype is turning me off and this blood work they speak of is from a guy that already was taking Clomid, it’s misleading to say Vector raised his test levels by itself. When I take Clomid my levels get to 900 as well...

I also like Vector and started today my third bottle. I also did some bloodwork and nothing to report. No significant change in anything.

I just would like to know where the strength gains are coming from.

 

[ELROCK]

Plse stop!!! Are there so many children on this board that buy this nonsense you spew endlessly. Bloodwork?? Give me a break. You cant be that desperate to rely on that garbage. Anecdotal evidence, you can find every supp in this board has tonnes of postive rave reviews. Its all part of the initial marketing hype which fizzles out eventually in diasspointment, reformulations, or the 'next killer natty anabolic' that blows away everything that came before

Normally I would say yeah I agree with all your saying but....think you should try Vector. Honestly, it is in a class of its own as far as natty Anabolics go at the moment. Or don’t try it I couldn’t Care less actually just wanted to say this stuff is goood IMO.

 

[bigsmall]

I’m with you on this, it’s too much bs on this board lately. Now I happen to actually like Vector but all this hype is turning me off and this blood work they speak of is from a guy that already was taking Clomid, it’s misleading to say Vector raised his test levels by itself. When I take Clomid my levels get to 900 as well...

He was on clomid for years before taking Vector. His blood work before taking Vector was 1/2 of 900. The person who did and presented the bloodwork is a respected member of this forum who's opinion I respect. Seems pretty simple. Whatever the case, I have been using Vector for 2 months and been using supplements for over 30 years and never seen anything like it.

 

[BBiceps]

He was on clomid for years before taking Vector. His blood work before taking Vector was 1/2 of 900. The person who did and presented the bloodwork is a respected member of this forum who's opinion I respect. Seems pretty simple. Whatever the case, I have been using Vector for 2 months and been using supplements for over 30 years and never seen anything like it.

I can somewhat believe in the claim that “Vector might raise test when taken with Clomid”, but as of now it’s no evidence that Vector raise test by itself.

Btw I’m on my second bottle and just ordered 2 more.

 

[Rockslide]

brundel

This is also the reason that Clomid has never been officially approved as a fertility treatment and treatment for hypogonadism in men. It is old, dirt cheap, and large scale safety trials to get official approval cost a ton of money which nobody will front the money for , for a drug they don’t have a patent on. I believe there is a company working on a slight alteration , an enantiomer , or something of that nature of clomid currently (so they can patent it and market it for men).

 

[jameschoi]

So I am taking x-gels pre-workout and vector post-workout and I am so hungry right now. Will take both tomorrow morning and see what happens in the gym.

 

[justhere4comm]

One is inflammatory (x-gels) ARA and Vector is anti inflammatory. You may want to dose then far apart. I’ve never used ARA so.

 

[bigsmall]

I can somewhat believe in the claim that “Vector might raise test when taken with Clomid”, but as of now it’s no evidence that Vector raise test by itself.

Btw I’m on my second bottle and just ordered 2 more.

Good for you. Its a great supplement.

 

[ucheoma]

Normally I would say yeah I agree with all your saying but....think you should try Vector. Honestly, it is in a class of its own as far as natty Anabolics go at the moment. Or don’t try it I couldn’t Care less actually just wanted to say this stuff is goood IMO.

I have bought and will run in a few months. Not saying it doesnt work , whatever work means. Some of the claims however are excessive and not justified by the sketchy, subjective and, in the case of the bloodwork, frankly dubious evidence.Lets keep it real is all im saying. Ive seen the same statements made in the past, eg for FD2. I ran 2 bottles twice and on both occasions noticed nothing significantly different so i tend to be sceptical whilst keeping an open mind. Wild claims tho are a red flag for me. We shall see.

 

[mbonheur]

I have bought and will run in a few months. Not saying it doesnt work , whatever work means. Some of the claims however are excessive and not justified by the sketchy, subjective and, in the case of the bloodwork, frankly dubious evidence.Lets keep it real is all im saying. Ive seen the same statements made in the past, eg for FD2. I ran 2 bottles twice and on both occasions noticed nothing significantly different so i tend to be sceptical whilst keeping an open mind. Wild claims tho are a red flag for me. We shall see.

Yeah, some claims are out of this world and exaggerated. Same thing with the weight gains, but people forget to mention that they added another 1000 calories a day. Likewise, there are a lot of things like libido, well being claims which are not necessarily explained by its ingredients.

For me, this product is a mystery, there is nothing in it which explains the increases in strength and endurance to that extent and 100:1 extracts which are standardized for nothing, how would you know what is in there?

Anyways, I am going to do a 4 bottle run and in the strength department is the best product. I am also relieved about my bloodwork, because at least it shows there is nothing too fishy in it, if you what I mean.

 

[ucheoma]

Yeah, some claims are out of this world and exaggerated. Same thing with the weight gains, but people forget to mention that they added another 1000 calories a day. Likewise, there are a lot of things like libido, well being claims which are not necessarily explained by its ingredients.

For me, this product is a mystery, there is nothing in it which explains the increases in strength and endurance to that extent and 100:1 extracts which are standardized for nothing, how would you know what is in there?

Anyways, I am going to do a 4 bottle run and in the strength department is the best product. I am also relieved about my bloodwork, because at least it shows there is nothing too fishy in it, if you what I mean.

How would you rate this compared to the more reputable ecdy products eg exubol and Tonvaras version?

 

[rowz4broz]

How would you rate this compared to the more reputable ecdy products eg exubol and Tonvaras version?

I forget the exact dosage but I dosed a ******** product very high I bought like 10-15 bottles of exubol 50 and didn’t notice jack tbh. Vector is not giving me really any difference in recomp (my diet is meh but I have recently started IF) however STRENGH is no doubt there. Placebo aside this product will make your stronger.


Edit
I see ******** is now a banned term. Anyway they used to be a board sponsor and had legit edcysterone

 

[mbonheur]

How would you rate this compared to the more reputable ecdy products eg exubol and Tonvaras version?

Yeah, strength is better with Vector. I went up to 6 caps @200mg. However, recovery is much better with ecdy.

 

[brundel]

Yeah, some claims are out of this world and exaggerated. Same thing with the weight gains, but people forget to mention that they added another 1000 calories a day. Likewise, there are a lot of things like libido, well being claims which are not necessarily explained by its ingredients.

For me, this product is a mystery, there is nothing in it which explains the increases in strength and endurance to that extent and 100:1 extracts which are standardized for nothing, how would you know what is in there?

Anyways, I am going to do a 4 bottle run and in the strength department is the best product. I am also relieved about my bloodwork, because at least it shows there is nothing too fishy in it, if you what I mean.

Just because it is a full spectrum extract doesnt mean we dont know whats in it. We ran extensive testing over the course of product dev that included testing for chemical constituents. Standardization is great when there is one active ingredient you want to target. IN this case there are dozens and we want all of them or most of them. IN fact there are a number of constituents that we would expect to increase strength.
Lets just take Eriobotrya Japonica I see every reason to expect it to increase strength and in testing it was exceptional by itself for strength.

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[mbonheur]

Just because it is a full spectrum extract doesnt mean we dont know whats in it. We ran extensive testing over the course of product dev that included testing for chemical constituents. Standardization is great when there is one active ingredient you want to target. IN this case there are dozens and we want all of them or most of them. IN fact there are a number of constituents that we would expect to increase strength.
Lets just take Eriobotrya Japonica I see every reason to expect it to increase strength and in testing it was exceptional by itself for strength.

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In conclusion, LLE supplementation did not improve muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function in healthy adults.

That is in one of your links.

I have read your write-ups, but I was wondering if you knew how much epicatechin, UA, CA, of your 3g of full spectrum extracts contained. That is all. And I was talking of the perspective of the customer. For us, it is difficult to see the amount of active ingredients.

Not trying to bash your product, as I really like it, just want to understand.

 

[nicksox15]

I would love to try this but I have high blood pressure.

Sorry for late reply but I had borderline hypertension blood pressure before starting Vector. BP actually dropped to more normal levels while taking. Certainly not saying that Vector was responsible but more saying it did nothing negative for me in that regard.

 

[brundel]

In conclusion, LLE supplementation did not improve muscle strength, muscle mass, and muscle function in healthy adults.

That is in one of your links.

I have read your write-ups, but I was wondering if you knew how much epicatechin, UA, CA, of your 3g of full spectrum extracts contained. That is all. And I was talking of the perspective of the customer. For us, it is difficult to see the amount of active ingredients.

Not trying to bash your product, as I really like it, just want to understand.

If you thoroughly read through youll see there were variable increases in strength.
In that particular study they didnt use enough EB unfortunately.
I dont want to spend the time to pull a dozen studies but there is more than enough evidence. Read through the writeups as these give a better idea of why these extracts work. If you really want to understand.
All 3 are here-
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Unfortunately because we are using full spectrum extracts we cannot or should not (on the label) tell you there is xxx amount of each compound because there can be slight variations from batch to batch and while these variations would be considered non significant they are significant with regards to label descriptions.
I can tell you there is approx 100-150epicatechin and about 500+ ursolic. Conservatively.
In tests most of the active compounds were within active ranges. Not all but most. For example there isnt enough quercetin to be active because its absorption is so low. And EGCG isnt likely high enough. But the rest are. Catalpol for example is present in high percentages as is loganin, ursolic acid etc. The important ones.