Varicoceles - New Research & Findings

de49152 said:
Megazoid,

I am very interested in your sources for hormonal imbalances caused by a varicocele. I'll be seeing a urologist soon for a possible surgical fix, and I'd love to bring some proof of the hormonal effects. Anything would be appreciated, please PM.

Also, do you think it can also cause anxiety/insomnia, because I never had it before the nut started hurting.

Thanks a bunch,
Dan
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I had all kinds of Anxiety before the surgery .... I have yet to mate and see if the anxiety is gone, but I think the anxiety was caused by a combination of ED issues associated with the varicoceles, and a fear of the pain that sometimes came with mating .... If I wanted to mate I had to take cialis and it had to be a very slow move into arrousal and penatration for it to be successful .... Otherwise I was too afraid of not staying hard and afraind that it was going to hurt afterwards ....
 
One week on

Its been a week now since my embolisation and already it feels as if my libido have gone up quite dramatically. I had my sex hormone levels checked a couple of months back so will have to go back in a month or time to see how things have improved. Just noticing getting more frequent erections and thinking about sex all the time whereas before it was an effort for me to have sex and a sort of chore.

I can still see the veins though although hopefully these should shrink down soon.

So far pleased though.

B
 
Good Job beckerj!!

Sounds less intrusive than when I had mine done 18+ years ago but I'm no worse for wear.
Give your body time to "absorb" the vein ..it'll take a couple months but it'll disappear and you will feel a lot better.

All..I think many of you are making a "mountain out of a mole hill" here...get the surgery done, plain and simple!

Here is what I posted earlier in this thread..read my experience.

RockyD said:
I had surgery on a left varicocele almost 20 years ago..one of the best things I ever did.
The constant "dragging" sensation and the feeling of "worms" in my scrotum ,ie the varicocele, drove me to have the operation.

The fear of atrophy is almost nonexistent since they no longer open up the scrotum to take care of the vein. They told me they stopped doing that in the late 1960's because of this risk.

I have a small scar on my lower abdomen. All they did was cut the vein and tie it off. My body absorbed it over time and other veins had already taken over for the varicocele anyways. No atrophy . . just complete relief to this day.
I would say have the operation. There's no reason to continue to suffer with this very treatable condition.
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brian82 said:
Its been a week now since my embolisation and already it feels as if my libido have gone up quite dramatically.
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That is good news. How was the recovery... painful? How long before you can have sex? How long before excercise/lifting?
 
RockyD said:
Sounds less intrusive than when I had mine done 18+ years ago but I'm no worse for wear.
Give your body time to "absorb" the vein ..it'll take a couple months but it'll disappear and you will feel a lot better.

All..I think many of you are making a "mountain out of a mole hill" here...get the surgery done, plain and simple!

Here is what I posted earlier in this thread..read my experience.
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I know what you mean about a mountain out of a mole hill .... I have to kinda disagree to a point .... I mean these urologists are kinda stumped in some ways it seems .... I went to 3 urologists and one interventional radiologist .... All 4 of them discounted the possibility of the varicocele causing the low Testosterone .... And I had the test results to show i was only 2 points above the abnormal cutoff .... As well as atrophy of the testis .... Mine have a volume of 10 and 11 .... When i asked about this, they said .... They are normal .... It is one thing to get the thing fixed, but because the Docs do not accept that the varicocele has caused harm to the testis we all with the issue are kinda left to our own devices .... It would be nice if there was some way we could all get together and list out the Docs we have encountered that take the condition seriously, and not just from the pain perspective .... I would like to know that my Doc feels the varicocele has caused the low T and will be following that healing as well as the scars left from the surgery ....
 
Sorry for not keeping up to date on this thread. I am pleased to see that a few of the guy's here had the surgery.

My life was literally ruined my varicocele, so i seriously doubt i am making a fuss for nothing. I watched my nut's shrink up and my libido die in the space of a month. Varicocele is a very bad and dangerous condition that is grossly mis-diagnosed.

I plan on setting up a varicocele website + forum. We can have a personal stories section, good doctors/urologists, information with refrences (as posted here) and a few other thing's i have in mind (what work's/what dosen't).

I've been so busy with work and spending time in the studio that i haven't had a chance to get to work on this. I promise i will have something in place by the end of janurary though.

How many guy's suffered atrophy and roughly what percentage of atrophy occured? How many guy's recovered testicular size?
 
I stumbled upon this website and forum and thank everyone very much for discussing the issue. I can give my story to date. I'm 30 years old and was diagnosed with a varicocele in high school during a sports physical. Over the years, I have gone to additional doctors due to the pain and discomfort, receiving the same diagnosis and the same "there is nothing to be done" answer (even when I have specifically requested to go to a urologist and denied--HMOs suck for this reason). Over the years I have experienced significant atrophy in left side and the left side is tiny. About a few weeks ago, all of the sudden, I experienced atrophy (i think it's significant) on the right side (not sure if this is caused by a varicocele on that side or affected by the one on the other side). Went to a urologist and had the blood work done. About to have another ultrasound done (had one done a few years ago--which will be a good measuring stick) then will go to discuss results this week with urologist. Everything feels limper and smaller these days. However, once in a while, it seems ok (for instance, woke up with wood this morning, which is rare). Not sure what all that means. But, I"m going to push for the surgery fast after reading all the posts in these varicocele forums. I will post bloodwork results when i get them. Thanks to everybody for posting information on this topic, which is why I think it's fair and important that I post my information.

(BTW, never taken any anabolic supplements/steroids in my entire life)

Two questions:
1) Has anybody ever experienced a reversal of the testicular atrophy and gained size back?

2) For those who had surgery (not embolization), were you awake or were you out for the surgery?
 
Thanks for your post Harris, sorry to hear about your troubles. Many men are suffering due to varicocele, it's a horrible condition that can ruin life's without a man ever knowing why.

Any blood disturbances to the testicles WILL effect the leydig cell's, no matter what anyone say's. The actual atrophy usually only involves the sperm production part of the testicle (Which makes up 70/80% of the testicle).

How is your libido and do you experience other symptoms? How are erections?
 
My understanding is depression and loss of interest in sex are two frequent symptoms. I definitely don't experience those. As far as erections go, I would say that they are not nearly as firm and it doesn't get as large as it once did (seems like not enough blood pumping into it), but I still can get erections, although it seems that sometimes I have to do more work to get them.
 
As far as PH's/Steroids go I have found I have a much more difficult PCT. I never got my bloodwork done pre-anabolics, but post PCT my Test is not that great. Im not sure if i was never able to recover from the first time I used, or if it was like that before.

I am planning on not using again until after I have it corrected. I have noticed that my varicocele has gotten worse since the first time I took anabolics.

I would say go get the surgery or embolization, Im going next month. Im pretty sure my varicocele showed up after an athletic related injury late in high school, but never really started to bother me/become inflamed until i was 21
 
Okay it has been about two weeks since my surgery .... I still have pain especially with erections at the base .... I had a bilateral Varicocele so I have two incisions just above my penis ....
My questions are for those who have had theirs fixed ....

At what point did you see the improvements in your erections and the ED fading away ?

Is the ED issue gone totally or is it something that we are now cursed with because we had varicoceles ?

I beleive that mine was only present noticibly for about a year, whereas most of the others that are posting seems to have had theirs for years .... Does anyone think that the time frame in which these are corrected could improve the chances for a full recovery ?

Has anyone that has gone on T-RT as a result of the recovery failing and kinda forced onto T-HT ?

Thanks for your answers ....
 
I've setup another message board and invite all.

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Very new and nothing happening yet, but hopefully we can get it rolling and get some good info.
 
Beckerj's website

Beck's website is worth checking out if you have a varicocele. I'm still struggling with mine and currently looking for a new doc that is up to date on surgery techniques and will do a full run of blood tests for hormone levels. The farther away from a city you are the harder it is to find one (it seems). The last urologist I went to said since sperm count is within acceptable range I'm fine.
 
I have had 2 varicocele operations. One when I was 13 the other when I was 20. And yes I still have the problem. What a shock!

I am now 29 and getting ready to have a embolization done this Friday 1/11.

I've noticed the pain had been slowly getting worse. Mainly when I workout and for a few hours after I work out.

Part of me thinks I shouldnt get it done but the other part of me doesnt want to screw around and cause testical damage.

Back when I was 20 I was told my testical that had the varicocele had slightly atrophied. But when I had an ultrasound last year and

the year before I was told they are the same size. So apparently my shrinkage reversed.

Dont want that to happen again.
 
markm455 said:
I am now 29 and getting ready to have a embolization done this Friday 1/11
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I think you're making the right decision. I am having the same thing done in the next couple of weeks as soon as they can schedule me. My story is above (I changed my username from 'de49152' to 'LeanGuy').

Basically I have a lot of shrinkage on that side as well as a test level around 300 and I am only 33!! I've never done steroids, so I blame the varicocele even though most doctors deny it. I've lived with this problem for years, and only wish I'd fixed it sooner.

Planning to do some HCG after healing to reverse the shrinkage and hopefully restore my natural test levels, my FSH & LH are still good. I am using compounded test gel in the mean time but it's not working well, seems to not be absorbing.

Good luck Mark, and let's keep updating this thread with our progress and results.

-LeanGuy
 
I woud not do the Embolization .... IT seems like the easy way ... but from what I have read the micro-surgery is the best option .... I had mine done on Dec 14 .... I am pretty well healed ... although waiting for the T to come back to where it shouldbe ....
 
beckerj said:
I woud not do the Embolization .... IT seems like the easy way ... but from what I have read the micro-surgery is the best option
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Got any links comparing the methods? My urologist said embolization is the latest & greatest option for this problem.
 
Thanks for the feedback leanguy and beckerj.

I am currently limited to the embolization. At least that what the urologist told me. Due to my past 3 surgeries (I had 2 verico surgeries and 1 for a hydrocele created from the verico's) the doc advised it would be best to do embolization because of scar tissue in groin area from the other operations.

I am so sick of having to deal with this crap. I hope this 4th freakin surgury gets the job done!
 
Guess we are all suffering together :)

I just try and tell myself that their are lots worse health problems to have... but it still pisses me off.

I will be sure to keep you guys posted on how it turns out.
 
I am going to urologist tomorrow to try to get a referal to a doctor who does the more effective micro surgery. Anyone have a list of what blood testing I should have done? Has anyone had before and after surgery bloodwork done? Also, how are u guys doing after your surgery or embolization?
 
My micro surgery went well .... Doc ligated 20 on my left and 7 on my right .... Let me just say that before the surgery was HELL and not the same person .... It has now been a full month of recovery .... I can tell a significant difference in my mind and a slight difference in my sexual health .... Doc has ordered a follow up testosterone test in march ....
 
Beckerj, How was your physical recovery? I work a very physical job 7 days a week and was wondering about how long I might be laid up.
 
To be honest you will not want to lift anything over the weight of a 24 pack of pop for about 3 to 6 weeks .... You gotta remember that once those veins are ligated that they are going to start using the smaller peripheral viens .... Too much exertion on them from the get go could cause another varicocele to form .... I have been VERY careful not to lift unless i had to .... As for the stuck in bed part that was only a couple of days .... to be honest though I would do it again ....
 
I just had my embolization done earlier today!! The only painful part was the IV... I hate them. But so far I am very happy-- I can already tell the pressure has been released on the "bag of worms" and it has shrunken considerably. Can't wait to see if my atrophy reverses. I'll keep updating my progress.
 
Way to Go LeanGuy .... I saw on another thread though that you are trying all kinds of different supplements to kick start your boys .... If I were you I would stop all of them and just start taking pycogynol and a b complex .... I too have been trying STUFF and let's just say I hope I have not wrecked my natural progress .... I tried the sustain alpha for 5 days last week and wanted to do "Something" this weekend with the other half and let's just say that I had similar feelings of anxiety that I did before the surgery .... So I think adding all the supplements we are may hurt us in the long run .... I am not taking anything now but the pygcogynol and the b complex .... I am waiting on the tongkat ali and that will be the last thing I try .... other than that I am going to let my body fix itself and try my best to be patient .... GOD that is the hardest part .... the waiting ....
 
beckerj said:
the pygcogynol and the b complex .... I am waiting on the tongkat ali and that will be the last thing I try .... other than that I am going to let my body fix itself and try my best to be patient .... GOD that is the hardest part .... the waiting ....
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What is pycnogynol supposed to do for hormones? I do have some here.

I am going to try a clomid script, because its not supressive, and can hopefully reverse some of the atropy I've experienced from this varicocele.

Yeah, waiting sucks. Some days I am so sick of having low T, I want to go to the doc and say "just gimme the damn shots"!!
Would probably regret that decision without knowing if the "boyz" can recover on their own.
 
The pycogynol is supposed to help with strengthening the viens .... so we don't get the varicoclele again .... hopefully .... I wish I could get the clomid .... what did you have to do to get it ? or do you have a good doc ?
 
beckerj said:
The pycogynol is supposed to help with strengthening the viens .... so we don't get the varicoclele again .... hopefully .... I wish I could get the clomid .... what did you have to do to get it ? or do you have a good doc ?
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I'm seeing a natural doc and she's writing a script for it. Where are you located?
 
We have not heard from Megazoid in a while .... Wonder how he is doing ....

Maybe we need to have a chime in for all .... Let everyone know how things are progressing ?

I finally found a place on the net to get the nolvadex .... So I am going to give that a try when it comes in ....

All and All my head seems to be more and more clear of thought and not as depressed as before .....
 
beckerj said:
The pycogynol is supposed to help with strengthening the viens .... so we don't get the varicoclele again .... hopefully .... I wish I could get the clomid .... what did you have to do to get it ? or do you have a good doc ?
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I found Clomid overseas. Like others said, you can't take it long. Google alldaychemist.
 
I've just scheduled my Varicoceles surgery for the end of May. It is not either the embolization or the traditional.

"Laparoscopic varicocele ligation has been performed by many urologists, and reports from several medical centers have been published. The data suggest that laparoscopic varicocele ligation is therapeutically superior to open surgical and radiographic (embolization) techniques. Laparoscopic varicocelectomy appears to reduce postoperative morbidity. Whether it is necessary to identify and preserve the testicular artery during laparoscopic varicocelectomy remains controver*sial. Loughlin and Brooks reported on the use of a laparoscopic Doppler probe that they believe facilitates the identification and preservation of the testicular artery. Matsuda and coworkers claim that the testicular artery does not have to be preserved; they clip the testicular artery and veins en bloc. Further multicenter experience is needed to resolve whether the testicular artery should be preserved dur*ing laparoscopic varicocele ligation. Because the testicular artery is preserved during open surgical repair or radiographic embolization procedures. We generally preserve the testicular artery during varicocelectomy."

You could read more about it and see pictures here:
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That is too funny .... When I went to the interventional raiologist for a consult on the embolization procedure, I asked him if there was a method similar to what this article describes and said no .... I think i would have liked this procedure better than the Micro-Surgery I elected ....
 
Hey i am 21 years old and i was diagnosed with a first degree varicocele. I have had pain for about 2 weeks about a month ago, and thats when i went to check it out. And the doctor said i should refrain from lifting weights for about six months. I just want to know? did any of you guys continue to lift weights, even though you had the varicocele? does bodybuilding make it worse? i havent been to the gym in two months. and thats driving me crazy.

I dont feel the pain now, even though it comes every once and a while. but i have noticed that when i ejaculate there isnt much pressure? is that because of the varicocele?
 
For me .... I noticed pain after orgasm\ejecatulation .... I had a Grade 3 on Left side and Grade 1 on Right .... I had the thing for months, maybe a year at most .... I started having ED issues .... For your Grade 1 I would suggest getting some pycogynol and wearing a jock strap instead of underwear .... That helped me at first and subdued the pain a bit, but I was in a more severe situation than you .... I would lift if you want to lift, I just would not push myself beyond my limits, mainly just to keep tone .... IE I lifted 100, I would cut that to 50 .... It is the straining .... I would also recommend that you lay down for about 30 minutes before work out and an hour after to releive the pressure .... Just my thoughts ....
 
Yeah my situation is not as bad as yours, but are things better now, i mean after the surgery? i don't know if i should get one or wait until later, cause i read on many websites that varicocele will worsen in time.

But i guess i will wear a jock strap. did you work out before the surgery? and if you did do you feel more pain?
 
Yes .... There was more pain associated with working out .... But the lying down before and after helped a little .... If you are a Grade 1, I would be concerned if it got larger .... Most urologists won't even look at it from the point of view that it could harm your testes .... So Unfortunately you are in a worse position than me in that respect .... With mine it was pain and Grade 3 .... Bilateral at that .... You are most likely stuck at waiting until it gets larger and then a doc will take the pain and size into consideration for the surgical route .... I have the microsurgery .... LeanGuy had the Embolization I beleive .... We both had it done around the same time and from what he has written on here seems we are both progressing well .... I still have anxiety and ED issues .... The Endo i went to says I am normal and that it is in my head .... So I decided to go back on the welbutrin and see if it really is in my head .... I know it isn't but at least if I go on it again for a month or two or three .... It is harder for them to say it is in my head if i am on a head med .... SMILE .... Sides the welbutrin really did help me for the three months before I had the surgery done .... Right now I am on pycogonal, 1000mg l-arginine and welbutrin .... i have buspar and ativan for the anxiety .... I just started back today on the welbutrin .... Still himing and hawing over starting the Nolvadex ....

No history of steroids .... At all ....
 
Thanks a lot man. i am glad that the surgery went well. and i wish you all the luck with the Ed and anxiety. i don't know much about the medication for those. And i dont think its all in your head. and hopefully knowing that your varicocele is better will help ease those issues.
 
I am just seeing this thread too.. Great info.. I was diagnosed with v.c. about 7 years ago and was brushed off by my urologist.. I had a sperm count of zero and test level of 201.. I was honest and told him I had used aas steriods over the years and that I had low test since around 21, but he did not care.. Said I had done this to myself and left it at that.. I had issue's before I ever did juice..

I found an endo and he has taken care of me ever since very nicely ( and I was honest with him too.. ).. I had no idea that the vc was harmful to the boys though.. Funny thing, first appointment with the endo and he said " You have small testicles", with my newly married wife setting in there.. Oh that one hurt.. Now I see maybe why they are "smaller" than average..

I also see a difference from time to time in size.. Sometimses they seem to be much larger than others.. Seems like Clomid really makes them bigger.. Could just be my immagination..

Im going to discuss this with my endo, in 4 months when I go back to see him..
 
The thing I hate is that my TT is 293 (241-827) He says because i am overweight that I am normal .... If I do the math, on average, and I am not average, as I am overweight, 14.5% loss of T over 10 years 251 puts me at TRT at 46 ....
So for the next ten years, unless my boys start working better, which may happen, although I may be too optimistic, I have the T of a 60YO .... I made another appointment with another Endo .... Second opinion .... I had to do the same thing for the urologist .... First one was useless ....

Can someone tell me what the scale is for Calculated Free T and Calculated bioavailable T would be ? I am 7.81 ng/dl and 183 ng/dl (respectively)
 
beckerj said:
The thing I hate is that my TT is 293 (241-827) He says because i am overweight that I am normal .... If I do the math, on average, and I am not average, as I am overweight, 14.5% loss of T over 10 years 251 puts me at TRT at 46 ....
So for the next ten years, unless my boys start working better, which may happen, although I may be too optimistic, I have the T of a 60YO .... I made another appointment with another Endo .... Second opinion .... I had to do the same thing for the urologist .... First one was useless ....

Can someone tell me what the scale is for Calculated Free T and Calculated bioavailable T would be ? I am 7.81 ng/dl and 183 ng/dl (respectively)
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Usually endos have poor record.
Try locating osteopath.

If you did thise tests at Quest diagnostics:

Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)


You would be good and happy if you had:

FreeE2(0.45 - 0.6)
FreeDHT(1.0 -1.1)

If natural or on HCG only

FreeT over 160

If on supplemented Testosterone

FreeT (250 - 300)
better indicator would be

BAT~575

BAT bioavailabletestosterone
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If you had above results and still had problems,
you should keep above at those levels
and
look for other reasons.
 
Okay .... My ....

Calculated Free T is 7.81 ng/dl
Calculated BioAvailable T is 183 ng/dl

No reference ranges given ....

Tests done at LabCorp - Directed By Endo .... Said the Labs I had done at the hospital testing center were wrong/not done correctly ....

Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum is 293ng/dl (241-827)
Testosterone, Free is 10.25ng/dl (5.00-21.00)
% Free Testosterone is 3.50 (1.50-4.20)

LH is 3.8mIU/ml (1.5-9.3)

TSH is .935iI/ml (0.350-5.500) Grandmother on Mother's side has Grave's disease.

SHBG, Serum 18nmol/L (13-71)

So JanSZ .... Should I be a happy camper ? Or is there still something not right .... I am not on anything but the following

Wellbutrin 150mg daily (Seems to help with the brain fog and anxiety issues)
L-Arginine 1000mg daily (Helps the Nitric Oxide from what I have read, essential for erection)
Pycogynol 60mg daily (Helps with vein strength from what I have read)
Daily multi Vit

I think the TT is low .... and the calculated numbers seem low but I do not have reference ranges to go on ....

I bought some Tamoxifen Citrate BP 30.4mg tablets and have not yet tried them .... Kinda a wimp about trying them ....

My confidence and mind seem to either adjusting to the new T levels or my T levels are increasing slightly as time goes by since my surgery .... Or the wellbutrin is just masking the issues ....

I started back on the wellbutrin on the 13th of March ....
 
beckerj said:
Okay .... My ....

Calculated Free T is 7.81 ng/dl
Calculated BioAvailable T is 183 ng/dl

No reference ranges given ....

Tests done at LabCorp - Directed By Endo .... Said the Labs I had done at the hospital testing center were wrong/not done correctly ....

Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum is 293ng/dl (241-827)
Testosterone, Free is 10.25ng/dl (5.00-21.00)
% Free Testosterone is 3.50 (1.50-4.20)

LH is 3.8mIU/ml (1.5-9.3)

TSH is .935iI/ml (0.350-5.500) Grandmother on Mother's side has Grave's disease.

SHBG, Serum 18nmol/L (13-71)

So JanSZ .... Should I be a happy camper ? Or is there still something not right .... I am not on anything but the following

Wellbutrin 150mg daily (Seems to help with the brain fog and anxiety issues)
L-Arginine 1000mg daily (Helps the Nitric Oxide from what I have read, essential for erection)
Pycogynol 60mg daily (Helps with vein strength from what I have read)
Daily multi Vit

I think the TT is low .... and the calculated numbers seem low but I do not have reference ranges to go on ....

I bought some Tamoxifen Citrate BP 30.4mg tablets and have not yet tried them .... Kinda a wimp about trying them ....

My confidence and mind seem to either adjusting to the new T levels or my T levels are increasing slightly as time goes by since my surgery .... Or the wellbutrin is just masking the issues ....

I started back on the wellbutrin on the 13th of March ....
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well this is a awesome topic. i had the verocicel op when i was 15. now 40. not knowing about it and how it would effect my life... i have 4 kids and have taken superdrol, pct, bold200 / trenadrol cycle 5 wks.. started to get atrophy so went to pct..

my testis are left is smaller than right. they both shrank on bold2oo majorly... didnt take any trib with that run.. i have been taking tribulus for a year now and the boys seem to work just fine.. i may be a odd case here... i take ph's then do pct and all seem to be fine... i do however take trib through out the entire cycle... i found that the best pct for me is the mass fx hyperdrol retain stack...gained more lean muscle on the pct... i have gone from 145lbs this time last year to 175 now... i dont have any bad side effects to speak of... maybe im the exception to the rule.. not sure... but i plan on running h drol and trenadrol in a week and gaining 7-10 lean lbs... my labido gets better on trib on dhea i get really angry... so i stay away from that... my body really likes trenadrol... responds to in great.. does not really respond to the superdrol all that well... mostly water weight... got the flu right after pct and lost 11lbs and all the strength with it... so i will not be taking it again...

good luck fellas
Will
 
beckerj said:
Okay .... My ....

Calculated Free T is 7.81 ng/dl
Calculated BioAvailable T is 183 ng/dl

No reference ranges given ....

Tests done at LabCorp - Directed By Endo .... Said the Labs I had done at the hospital testing center were wrong/not done correctly ....

Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum is 293ng/dl (241-827)
Testosterone, Free is 10.25ng/dl (5.00-21.00)
% Free Testosterone is 3.50 (1.50-4.20)

LH is 3.8mIU/ml (1.5-9.3)

TSH is .935iI/ml (0.350-5.500) Grandmother on Mother's side has Grave's disease.

SHBG, Serum 18nmol/L (13-71)

So JanSZ .... Should I be a happy camper ? Or is there still something not right .... I am not on anything but the following

Wellbutrin 150mg daily (Seems to help with the brain fog and anxiety issues)
L-Arginine 1000mg daily (Helps the Nitric Oxide from what I have read, essential for erection)
Pycogynol 60mg daily (Helps with vein strength from what I have read)
Daily multi Vit

I think the TT is low .... and the calculated numbers seem low but I do not have reference ranges to go on ....

I bought some Tamoxifen Citrate BP 30.4mg tablets and have not yet tried them .... Kinda a wimp about trying them ....

My confidence and mind seem to either adjusting to the new T levels or my T levels are increasing slightly as time goes by since my surgery .... Or the wellbutrin is just masking the issues ....

I started back on the wellbutrin on the 13th of March ....
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I do not think so,
not with:

Testosterone, Serum is 293ng/dl
 
I was put on Androgel 4 pumps a day, on April 4 08 .... I was doing 20MG Nolvadex on M-W-F for the first week then cut it out and went just to Androgel .... My first week and a half was AWESOME ! .... I am now in my thrid week and not so great .... Although my head is better depression is clear ED is spotty at best ....
I was wondering if anyone else has combined the nolvadex with Adrogel to see what the results of continuing therapy would be ....

Thoughts ?
 
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