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VARICOCELE...can it effect testosterone?

Varicoceles may cause damage to the testicles, causing them to grow improperly. This damage is progressive; it will often worsen over time. If an adolescent has a one-sided varicocele, the testicle on that side may not develop as much as the other side and may be significantly smaller. This is a serious consideration because smaller testicles generally produce significantly less sperm than normal-sized testicles. If the varicocele is repaired during adolescence, the testicles usually experience catch-up growth and normalize in size. If it is repaired at a later age, the testicles will not improve in size, though it may often improve overall sperm production. The sperm production, however, will still not improve to the same extent as if it had been repaired earlier.

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HappySadMad said:
Did you ever get the surgery if yes what were your results. Also i think I possibly found something promising. VERICOSILE SURGERY WITH STEM CELL THERAPY AFTERWARDS. IT ISNT FDA APPROVED IN THE USA OF COURSE! LOL But you can go overseas and do it and it is shown to cure hypogonadism and put new testosterone producing cells in your body!!!Thailand and Mexico Baby!!! Finding out the cost. Electing to getting my Surgery overseas. I got it in the military but I dont feel like fighting the fun va system even though its in my military records and waiting. I will try to follow it up with stem cell in thailand or mexico. I want everything back....even if it puts me in severe debt.
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HappySadMad,

Where did you hear about this stem cell therapy? Links?
 
HappySadMad,

I am scheduled for surgery this Friday.

Did you gain weight when your varicocele started? What physical symptoms did you feel? Tiredness? fatigue? depression? insomnia?

Where can I get the info for the stem cell stuff? Roughly how much is it overseas? Do you know anybody who got it?

Either clomid or HCG should help you get whatever life you have in your testicles....

I've had low T for probably longer than you since I'm 29 so I think you'd be OK.
 
Can you let me know how it goes as far as pain after surgery and if you notice the bag of worms feeling dissapearing?
 
I'm 18 and i've had a problem with Varicocele for about four months now and the pain is really starting to get on my nerves. i've been looking into getting surgery for a while but am not all that sure in which one i should get.
any suggestions?
 
talk to your doctor, but I'm getting the microsurgery..as I've read it has the least chance of complications or reoccurence.
 
I think you are completely knocked out.

But I am headed to the hospital now so I will share my experience when I get back.
 
Good luck.

And yes, please tell us how it goes, what the surgery was like, and what you feel like afterwards.
 
Just got back from the hospital...
I had the microsurgery procedure and from the time they gave me the anasthesia I was totally knocked out. I understand the procedure lasted about an hour or slightly under.

I woke up in the patient recovery room and was a bit disoriented, but as for the surgery, I don't remember a single thing that happened....

I am a bit delirious now, but just wanted to update you all on the surgery...I have some bandages around the pubic hair area, and I am not feeling any pain at the moment, just a dull sensation around the area.....but I think I still have the anasthesia there and will start on the pain killers probably tonight.
 
It's now Sat. evening and it's a little under 24 hrs since my surgery. I am not taking the painkillers now, just sitting backand watching TV (Heros Season 1 ;-) ). It's a pain walking and I can't really bend but the pain is under control if I just sit down in 1 spot and not turn over much.
 
well that sounds normal..thats exactly what i did after surgery...TV. haha..and yeah I couldnt walk or bend much..my anesthesia went away I say around the 4th and 5th day...the good ol aching sensation might hit you depending on how your body reacts when the anesthesia goes away...cheers on your surgery though
 
uptempo said:
well that sounds normal..thats exactly what i did after surgery...TV. haha..and yeah I couldnt walk or bend much..my anesthesia went away I say around the 4th and 5th day...the good ol aching sensation might hit you depending on how your body reacts when the anesthesia goes away...cheers on your surgery though
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how has your progress been as far as libido and pain
 
well as i mentioned before i did some aching pain near both sides of my lower abdomen...however I went to a chinese doctor and she said they were symptoms of bad health and diet after post surgery...the pain came back around 1.5 months after surgery...she put me on a week's supply of herbal pills and so far the pain has subsided..FOR NOW...very weird to have pulsating aches on both sides though....i go to Hong Kong in like a week and gonna have my urologist who did the surgery to probably do another doppler and ultrasound or something to make sure everythings ok...having aches randomly is not fun.
 
whats up guys...i have recently had a bilateral varicocelectomy which is a varicocele in both testicles. The surgery was just under three hours. I was completly knocked out during the surgery and felt no pain. Recvery from the surgery was a bi*ch for the first 2 to 3 weeks because the testicles are very very sensitive and slight movement can cause pain. painkilers do work somwhat for the pain but not all of it..now it has been about 7 and a half weeks and i am back to normal...just now theres a mental thing keeping me very cautious wile in the gym. i wanted to know if anyone knew if taking some gear would be harmful...i have been trying to find the answer to my question everywhere and just cant seem to find it. and now i have no medical coverage so i cant go to my urologist to ask him.
 
It's now over 48 hrs since my operation and I'm not feeling the need to take the pain killers, but I still have my bandage on and walking slowly and stuff so I don't aggravate the incision site or my balls which are a bit achy...

I'm still trying to determine if the ligated veins are still in my scrotum b/c my left ball feels bigger but I have a feeling it's the ligated veins around my scrotum...
 
Yeah, I'm definitely not 100% and I can't really walk right and my balls and incision site are still sensitive, but the pain seems to be going away and I don't know if I'm due for some aftershock pain in a few weeks time or what...but I'm taking it one day at a time.

....the funny thing is I think I fainted the night I came back when I woke up at night going to the bathroom....I think it was a remnant of the anasthesia & I was coming back from the bathroom and felt serious muscle weakness and just passed out near the couch I was sitting on.....my cousin was staying w/ me that night and woke up suddenly thinking I was falling on him so he let out a giant scream as he woke up suddenly and I had no idea if it came from me, if I was imagining it, or if it was a hallucination....WILD NIGHT!!!!!

OXYCODONE is a hellua drug!

I also think I had close to a wet dream, but I was worried for some reason I thought maybe I was masturbating and that scared the hell outta me in my sleep b/c I knew I wasn't supposed to have any sexual activity but here I am dreaming of sexual activity......

I found it ironic that was the first time I had a sexual-based dream...the night I get my varicocelectomy....was that a sign of things to come? :woohoo:

..LIke I said..WILD NIGHT!
 
axa0176 said:
Yeah, I'm definitely not 100% and I can't really walk right and my balls and incision site are still sensitive, but the pain seems to be going away and I don't know if I'm due for some aftershock pain in a few weeks time or what...but I'm taking it one day at a time.

....the funny thing is I think I fainted the night I came back when I woke up at night going to the bathroom....I think it was a remnant of the anasthesia & I was coming back from the bathroom and felt serious muscle weakness and just passed out near the couch I was sitting on.....my cousin was staying w/ me that night and woke up suddenly thinking I was falling on him so he let out a giant scream as he woke up suddenly and I had no idea if it came from me, if I was imagining it, or if it was a hallucination....WILD NIGHT!!!!!

OXYCODONE is a hellua drug!

I also think I had close to a wet dream, but I was worried for some reason I thought maybe I was masturbating and that scared the hell outta me in my sleep b/c I knew I wasn't supposed to have any sexual activity but here I am dreaming of sexual activity......

I found it ironic that was the first time I had a sexual-based dream...the night I get my varicocelectomy....was that a sign of things to come? :woohoo:

..LIke I said..WILD NIGHT!
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did your testicles shrink at all? do you know if your testosterone was lower as a result of the varicocele
 
Well, to be honest I think I had this varicocele for a long time (maybe since adolescence) and I think I got used to small testicles....but when I started to get on the HCG I noticed testicular growth and, up until my varicocelectomy last Friday, my right testicle was signifcantly bigger than my left one.

I know for as long as I started looking, my T-levels have been on the low end.....range around 400-200 regularly.
 
Interesting thing happened last night....I had at least 2 periods w/ long erections and had a sexual-based dream again....weird.
 
thats good...its funny...i never had a wetdream ever in my life until after my surgery...maybe like a week after i had it...
 
HappySadMad said:
It was different before my vericosile...Did u know when I was single 16 year old computer geek before I had a hot girlfriend..I would stab holes into stuffed animals stick my **** in and start ****ing them.....before IT happened.....When I was 19 I met my worst mistake Colleen....I was undersexed prior in my life. Then I ****ed her...She wanted to **** 10 times a day........WHY.....I DON'T KNOW...But we did....THATS WHAT CAUSED THE VIRACOSILE....Then everything plane crashed.....
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do you remember if you had sex immediatly after having sex without giving your body time to recover

That is how I think mine formed, I sometimes masturbate for a really long time when I am angry and stressed, and I masturbated for a really long time and I didnt like the way it came out and then immediatly after that I masturbated again and that is obviously how it formed, I barely gave myself 20 seconds to recover

I blame myself because I have a problem interanlizing my anger and this annoying ****ing family moved in that day and instead of telling them to shut the **** up, I decide to go with my masturbation to distract me

I still hear that family come in from time to time with their annoying 5 year old that should never have been born, this annoying 5 year old kid castrated me, I am going to be homeless next month and the chances of me killing myself in the near future are probably at about 60% and it is all because of this annoying little kid, I feel like killing him at this point, of course I blame myself for not sticking up for myself innitally but I was already in therapy for that
 
HappySadMad said:
Hey

I am moving to the Phillipines..The varicosile surgery is about $800 dollars.....Hang in there...I can get you a appointment thier..U can live for about $500 a month there...Can u raise money?i can help you out and get you situated there..trust me...its paradise..Accupuncure and Massage treatments are 5 dollars a hour. doctor visits are 10 dollars...I never recovered from the sex....constant ****ing.......CONSTANT....I am going to have the surgery within the next two months..try supplementing sex life with L ARGININE 3000 MG Till then..trust me...Have a beautiful understanding phillipino girlfriend..There the best..dont give up hope.
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There is something special about philipino girls.
I used to work with few, always nice and balanced.
Guys who marry them are usually happy.
On my old house I had a neighbor across the street, he brought home wife and her sister from Vietnam. Good family.
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K1212 said:
do you remember if you had sex immediatly after having sex without giving your body time to recover

That is how I think mine formed, I sometimes masturbate for a really long time when I am angry and stressed, and I masturbated for a really long time and I didnt like the way it came out and then immediatly after that I masturbated again and that is obviously how it formed, I barely gave myself 20 seconds to recover

I blame myself because I have a problem interanlizing my anger and this annoying ****ing family moved in that day and instead of telling them to shut the **** up, I decide to go with my masturbation to distract me

I still hear that family come in from time to time with their annoying 5 year old that should never have been born, this annoying 5 year old kid castrated me, I am going to be homeless next month and the chances of me killing myself in the near future are probably at about 60% and it is all because of this annoying little kid, I feel like killing him at this point, of course I blame myself for not sticking up for myself innitally but I was already in therapy for that
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K1212,

Take it easy...a varicocele can be treated, it's not leukemia or Ebola.

Be patient, you will see better times.

I am looking into accupuncture, I hear accupuncture helps balance hormone levels and I'm hoping after the varicocele is goine I will try to get healthy using a combination of accupuncture, herbal remedies, and maybe even cupping which I hear helps.
 
hey take it easy k1212...jus think to yourself it could be a lot worse...and there are people out there whos probably in a worse situation than you...my pain has never really went away this whole half year...its probably the shittiest year ive ever had in my life...but i guess i just have to try to think positive...i know with pain everything sometimes you just wanna end it..i think about it sometimes too..but try not to let it get to you...try to keep thinking about solutions...don't give up man...i know its easier said than done I'm going through pain too and I am highly scared of my doctor not even knowing what kind of problem I have when I see him next week from this pain that popped up about a month ago now...jus dont do stupid stuff man its not worht it
 
honestly I had a shitty life before this and I was already in therapy and the thing I was really looking forward to more then anything was finding a girl and going to bed with a girl and waking up next to a girl, that probably would have put a permanent smile on my face and cured me of any depression or misery I was feeling

I know there are worse things in life but I already had a ****ed up life and there was always a light at the end of the tunnel, and this thing just killed that light, I dont know how to deal with this

I also tried to live a life free of medication and I was on anti-depressents and crap for a while and anti-anxietys and I kind of found this meaning and purpose to life and I was really looking forward to my future


Whatever I guess there are worse things, I am sure people who are paralyzed from the waist down and have no use of their penis arent shedding any tears for me



But I must say it truly sucks looking at girls wearing sexy things like spandex and tights things that always made me go crazy in the past and having no feeling, that was almost like my reason for living before this, ****kkk

I wish I took advantage of my non stop boners before this, instead I got a dog that ruined my life and I always ran away from girls because I was scared of them, mother ****er


alright no more rants from me, I promise
 
K1212,

I thought the varicocele killed your sex drive. Are you saying you are impotent b/c of the varicocele?

In other words, you cannot have an erection?
 
axa0176 said:
K1212,

I thought the varicocele killed your sex drive. Are you saying you are impotent b/c of the varicocele?

In other words, you cannot have an erection?
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pretty much, I imagine my testosterone is somewhere south of 100, my testicles have shrunk to nothing
 
HappySadMad said:
don't worry.I had sex with my girlfriend six times yesterday......WHY? L Arginine.... K1212...Use this till you get your surgery....Buy some cheap red wine....Drink a glass in the morning and at night...It will drown any pain you have and its healthy..I have hypogonadism and I am suffering from you have K1212....Get your surgery I will have it shortly..It can only help...Find a FLIPINO GIRLFRIEND..... Stay away from Americans right now....Due to the fact that you are hypogonadic...American Women arent as understanding...But I will tell you.. My GF looks like she came out of MAXIM and shes FAMILY ORIENTED and SWEET. FLIPINO
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HappySadMad,

6 times? Man you might even give HER a varicocele. :-)
 
A bit of an update on my varicocele:

It's Wed. evening today and i had it Friday 12/5 and so far the pain has pracitally gone, except for a slight dull pain and sensitivity in my testicles....I took off the gauze padding bandage Mon evening and I have the stitches and some real thin strip bandages left.

I only took the painkiller the night I came back from the hospital.

I feel the veins still in my testicles and my left testicle does hang lower, but I think the veins are thinning out....I thought they cut out the veins, but I guess I was wrong.

I am getting better with my range of motion and as long as I don't sit straight up in a 90 degree angle I am fine....I've been sleeping on the couch to make sure I sleep on my back.

I always used to have a tight scrotum but ever since the surgery it seems to be hanging loose more often and the testicles are more visible...I have been taking HCG for about 1.5 months so far. I upped the dosage after the surgery hoping I could reverse some testicular atrophy.....we'll see.

I seem to be having more erections in my sleep or on waking up. I don't know about libido yet b/c I'm so scared of doing anything wrong.
 
Okay .... I guess it's time for me to chime in again and give yall some hope .... I won't go into my entire story, cause it is already posted here and I am fairly sure yall have read it .... This is more of an update and HOPE ....
I had the MICRO-surgery, December of 2007 .... 3 months later the pain was all but gone .... It had turned into a more dull ocassional Ache .... The libido and nightly/morning erections came immediately after the surgery and over the 3 months waned again .... I saw the operating Dr. and he did another Ultra sound on me and saw that the right side was 100% clear and the left side was 75% clear .... during those 3 months I had to put myself back on the welbutrin as I was still not feeling like myself .... Thank God for this anti depressant .... I reccomend it as the first line treatment for anya nd all of us that are going through this ....
At this point my T was at 293 (247-827) and I was having little to no success with the Viagra or Cialis .... BTW here is a link to the place where I get mine .... Generic but its good stuff ... no problems ....

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It was at this point in April that the operating Dr agreed to put me on Androgel at 4 pumps to startt with .... The first 2 weeks were heaven and I was better than I was before all this happened .... Erections at the drop of a hat .... NICE to say the least ....
But as they say this was the OMG factor of having my own T and the added T in my system .... When my body shut down it's T, and it does, so don't let anyone Esp Dr.'s tell you different, I had the Crash .... I quickly noticed this and bumped myself up to 6 pumps .... Now I did nto have Dr. Authorization to do this so guess what .... I ran out and there were three weeks of Hell for me .... But once I got back in to see him he agreed to the 6 pumps .... IT took my longer I think because of the running out to build the Androgel back up in my system, but here I am 9 months later and feeling SO much better .... I would say 100% but the ED is a mind F**K .... When you go for so long living with ED it really messes with your head .... The best advice I can give someone is that the Varicocele is the reason for your ED .... And here again do not let anyone tell you different .... I am currently in with 2 different counselors .... One regular and one Sex therapist .... My other half was not the most supportive .... So this may vary for some ....

I guess what I am saying here is Don't Give Up .... I have litterally been to Dr after DR .... 4 uro's 3 endo's 2Gp's an Intervential Radiologist .... GAWD it sucked so bad ....

Get a Dr that will get you on HRT ASAP once it is determined you have not recovered your own T production .... the younger you are the better chance of this from all I have read ....

And I also say the L-Arginine is a true help as well ....

I hope all read this and don't give up .... We all can recover our lives again from this ....
 
K1212 said:
pretty much, I imagine my testosterone is somewhere south of 100, my testicles have shrunk to nothing
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K1212,

What you need to do is go overseas & do the varicocelectomy.
...and find a girl.....a lot of times they are more old-fashioned, traditional, and understanding......

I think this has more to do with your psychology than your erections.....get on Testosterone Replacement, your sex drive will come back, and then you need a girl.....it will boost your confidence and self-esteem.

You need a woman in your life...I think that's a main problem for you.
 
For all the guys who got surgery:

When you got surgery, did the veins go away immediately? I can still feel the veins near & around my left testicle......
 
HappySadMad said:
Hey

I am moving to the Phillipines..The varicosile surgery is about $800 dollars.....Hang in there...I can get you a appointment thier..U can live for about $500 a month there...Can u raise money?i can help you out and get you situated there..trust me...its paradise..Accupuncure and Massage treatments are 5 dollars a hour. doctor visits are 10 dollars...I never recovered from the sex....constant ****ing.......CONSTANT....I am going to have the surgery within the next two months..try supplementing sex life with L ARGININE 3000 MG Till then..trust me...Have a beautiful understanding phillipino girlfriend..There the best..dont give up hope.
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BTW, what L-arginine (brand) do you use? I even hear this thing boosts growth hormone.
 
HappySadMad said:
GNC TIME RELEASE CAPSULES. YEAH DO YOUR RESEARCH BUT U NEED ALOT MORE THAN 3000 MG AND U NEED TO TAKE IT IN POWER FORM I THINK AROUND 15000 MG ALSO LARGE AMOUNTS BOOST TEST ALSO STILL RESEARCHING
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So do you take more than 3000mg?
Do you take it in powder form?

Tell me exactly what works for you and I'll try it.
 
HappySadMad,

Do you have a varicocele or are you a nymphomaniac? LOL

You sure are wearing that g/f out....how is she holding up.
 
Hey guys, something about me:

I've had a varicocele since I'm 10 and now I'm 26. Well, the Doc always said that it's not so bad and that I can live with it.

The results were, that I had a delayed puberty. I got it with 16!!! That means my voice, hair, growing of the penis etc. began with 16. I got a beard with 18. Now I'm 26 and have still no full beard. It's getting better year after year:-)

Well, there is also the libido. I can have sex but with many problems. I just have to be a little nervous and the result is no erection. Also the morning erection and sexdrive is almost zero. Strange is, that I had been horney at age of 5 till 13. I'd been jerking off every day 2-10 times. I didn't know what it is. I was just addicted to it.

I had with 22 a Testosterone test and the result was 6 pg/mL(I think it was pg/mL, but not sure anymore). The Doc said to me, that 5 until 15 is good and he said that I am between the numbers and that means everything is ok. I believed it...my mistake.

Other results are, slow muscle building, bone joins and back problems...had already 4 knee operations and every winter a depression...since I'm 15 or so. I sweat the whole day, have concentration problems and always problems with my health.

LOL, sounds everything like to less testosterone.... doesn't it?

I just 3 hours ago figured out by a random, that something like varicocele exist. Well, I knew that my left testicle hurt very often..since I'm 10... that it bothers me when I walk and that there is a small vain ball... but you know, doc. said it's fine. I've been studying about varicocele for the last 3 hours and asking myself, if it's possible to operate and get the usual testosterone production.

By the way, the left testicle is not smaller. It just hang very low and hurts from time to time. The worst pain is, when I slept with a girl after a long time. Than the vain is thick like the 1/3 testicle and hurts like the hell.

Well, will a operation help me to get the usual testosterone production back and will my libido work better?

Thank you.

(Sorry, I've been speaking english for 4 months. I apologize for all mistakes)
 
aisstea,

From what I understand, you may improve in testosterone, but since you had a varicocele so young and for so long, you may never get a normal level back.

But there's good news, a lot of the symptoms of low testosterone can be corrected using testosterone injections....get your blood levels checked and look into supplementing with testosterone if your levels are low.
 
Thank you for the answer. Well, you may be right.

Ok, first I'm gonna do another testosterone and LH test. Then the surgery and 6 month later a new testosterone/LH test. I'm really excited if there will be maybe a little difference.

Testosterone injections is not bad. But guess I would prefer the creme. I just wanna a normal testosterone level like 500-900. I read that testogel push it till 900.... perfect.
 
axa0176 said:
K1212,

Take it easy...a varicocele can be treated, it's not leukemia or Ebola.

Be patient, you will see better times.

I am looking into accupuncture, I hear accupuncture helps balance hormone levels and I'm hoping after the varicocele is goine I will try to get healthy using a combination of accupuncture, herbal remedies, and maybe even cupping which I hear helps.
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Pranic healing is better than Accupuncture. I tried both and got benefitted from pranic healing. give it a shot
 
K1212 said:
honestly I had a shitty life before this and I was already in therapy and the thing I was really looking forward to more then anything was finding a girl and going to bed with a girl and waking up next to a girl, that probably would have put a permanent smile on my face and cured me of any depression or misery I was feeling

I know there are worse things in life but I already had a ****ed up life and there was always a light at the end of the tunnel, and this thing just killed that light, I dont know how to deal with this

I also tried to live a life free of medication and I was on anti-depressents and crap for a while and anti-anxietys and I kind of found this meaning and purpose to life and I was really looking forward to my future


Whatever I guess there are worse things, I am sure people who are paralyzed from the waist down and have no use of their penis arent shedding any tears for me



But I must say it truly sucks looking at girls wearing sexy things like spandex and tights things that always made me go crazy in the past and having no feeling, that was almost like my reason for living before this, ****kkk

I wish I took advantage of my non stop boners before this, instead I got a dog that ruined my life and I always ran away from girls because I was scared of them, mother ****er


alright no more rants from me, I promise
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Try one pranic healing session. You will see immediate effect regarding sexual feelings and erection. Dont waste time. One healing cost $60-$100
 
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