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VARICOCELE...can it effect testosterone?

shyguava,

Before I started on the HCG my last result was 197. Then I got on the HCG and my last result came back 420 or so with about 1.5 months on the HCG.

As for the testes expansion causing pain theory, I think I felt a bit initially on the HCG....maybe it's growing pains from the atrophied testicles.

That made me a bit optimistic b/c I hope there's still some life down there....maybe the obstacle the varicocele is presenting is making life hard for my testes....not to mention that point you brought up about the non-oxygenated blood etc.

What was your experience? Did you get your varicocele removed in Vietnam? I will make another appointment to see the urologist soon and I hope to have surgery early next year when I can schedule a little vacation time.

I know its a bit personal but on 420 T do you get normal libido and function down below? I am about 321 last test (havent had one since the op yet) and 321 wouldnt launch anything.Free T is just above the bottom of normal range for me. thats the key T measurement. But basically I have to get the T switched back on. Not a difficult task apparently if I didnt have so many blowhards for specialists in Melbourne.
 
Hi shyguava,

That device your doctor used was an orchidometer.

Compared to when I was off the hcg, I did have a better libido function. I don't really have any erection problems.

The bad news is that on the 420 I had an estrogen level of 36 and I think that can impair libido.

When I was briefly on Testosterone cypionate + hCG last year on my first TRT regimen, I got to a T level of 1006 with an estrogen level of 20 using anastrozole.
 
Hi everyone,

I have been diagnosed with varicocele a few months ago. The thing is, the main source of the pain is slightly above the base of my penis to the left and right sides ( my inner thighs/hips so to speak). I'd have to say the pain is a dull ache and limits my hip movements (this is a particular problem during sex..) Also I have the swelling above my testicles and they can really hurt occasionally. I also have no libido and occasionally struggle keeping an errection, I'm unsure if this is related but I am also extremely tired most of the time. The pain in the left and right sides of my groin is my main concern however. It usually occurs during exercise and as i do alot of it it is really getting in the way. My theory is that as blood is being pumped into that area through exercise it is then getting stuck in the varicose veins in that area..Seemed pretty logical to me. I spoke to the urologist, he said i shouldnt have come to see him because in no way could the pain be related. Now I'm stuck here with nowhere to turn.

to summarize,

1. Are the pain on the left and right side of my groin connected to the varicocele?

2. Is the varicocele potentially making me not want sex, making me lose an errection and feel so tired?

sorry for going on, i guess i had more to say than i realized!
 
1. Are the pain on the left and right side of my groin connected to the varicocele?

2. Is the varicocele potentially making me not want sex, making me lose an errection and feel so tired?

sorry for going on, i guess i had more to say than i realized!

the varicocele might have effected your testosterone which is maybe making you tired and losing your libido, did your varicocele come on suddenly and all your problems start after?

And most doctors and urologists suck, they dont want to do any work and just want to diagnose people with things they read about in medical school, it is very rare that you find a doctor or urologist who will listen to you and care for you and hear you out and maybe make a rationalized decision on what to do with you(Doctors hate to say "I dont know" because after all they make $300 an hour and they went to medical school for 8 years so they must know everything)

The other side of this is these things are complicated and I dont think any 2 cases are alike and it seems everyone here has different problems, in many cases it seems these are things you just have to learn to deal with as sucky as it may be
 
Link,

I don't know if you saw a real doctor or a quack, because for him to not see a potential correlation between groin pain and a varicocele seems pretty idiotic to me.

The erection & fatigue are most likely due to your testosterone levels being low...you should get that checked out as well. The varicocele can be affecting your testosterone levels by restricting blood supply there which can cause testicular atrophy.

If you had doctors that didn't want to cooperate you could even get the testosterone test ordered yourself through a company like healthcheckusa.com and the results will be returned to you. Sometimes doctors don't want to order tests, but if you present results to them they are more likely to go along and take you seriously from then on.

I just found out a good friend seems to have a varicocele too...by just talking to him I realized he has some pain & discomfort whereas I don't have ANY pain. We both seem to have fatigue, mood, concentration issues so that might be due to the varicocele as well.

The point is that even people who have varicocele can exhibit a whole spectrum of symptoms.
 
Hi shyguava,

That device your doctor used was an orchidometer.

Compared to when I was off the hcg, I did have a better libido function. I don't really have any erection problems.

The bad news is that on the 420 I had an estrogen level of 36 and I think that can impair libido.

When I was briefly on Testosterone cypionate + hCG last year on my first TRT regimen, I got to a T level of 1006 with an estrogen level of 20 using anastrozole.

Wow now thats a T level I could live with. I have to get an estrogen test next time when I get the T tests done. Stupid doctors left that one out last time. I ask you - how stupid can a specialist get. But this time they wont leave it out. I am more up with what to have tested via this forum. That means the doctors will have to work for their money. And yeah, that orchidometer reaches some pretty impressive testicle sizes along its length. I wouldnt mind possessing the top of the range.
 
shyguava,

With a testosterone level of 1006, your wife might rip your balls off :D

There is a guy on this forum & t-nation named KSMan. He really knows what he is talking about.

I also read a book called The Testosterone Syndrome by Eugene Shippen. He's the guy I'm seeing now for my T-issues...I have a phone consult w/ him this week where I will break the varicocele news to him. That will probably change things.

Anyways, his book has some good info on the estrogen and its effects, along with the optimal Test-E ratio. A ratio of 1:10 Estrogen to Testosterone is probably too low.

Here's how I got to 1006 Test.

on TRT, I used approx. 98 mg./wk testosterone cypionate (injected every other day) along with 250 iU HCG (injected every other day) along with 1mg/wk of anastrozole to keep the estrogen down. I can discuss it further if you PM or something.
 
axa0176, i assume yfectou had varicocele? Did the HCG have any effect on testicular size? Shooting that much weekly should have stimulated some regrowth and i am curious to know if you noticed marked improvements in libido, testicular size and erectile function.
 
lovehack,

Yes, I do have a varicocele, I would probably say grade 2 since you have to touch it to feel it, but easily verifiable upon touching. I found out about it late last month, but I have no idea how long I've had it. I think the low-T and the testicular atrophy might have cuaused it be less noticeable as maybe all circulation was cut off there.

The HCG did have a noticeable effect. As I am typing right now, I am noticing hair on my hands/arms I have never seen before or in a really long time. I haven't turned into Sasquatch or anything, but the hair is now visible.

I noticed an increase in:
1. testicular size (esp. the right one, the left less so but the varicocele is on the left),
2. stronger erections, and a greater libido.

The last test I did early this month showed my testosterone level at 420 but I did one a month before that and I felt more libido then but I never got my test results so I have to await what I get from the doctor.

Another thing I noticed is that I had a greater amount ejaculate and it went from a yellowish color to a cloudy, white, milky color. I wonder if that means more sperm in my semen.
 
Shyguava,

The tea I was talking about that helps my mood and concentration is KuDing Tea.

Here's an article about it:

KU DING CHA

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon

Ku Ding Cha is a beverage tea consumed in China as an alternative to the more common, ordinary green tea. The standard Chinese tea, from Camellia sinensis, is known as cha, and this term is then applied to other herbs that are consumed in similar manner. Ku Ding describes this particular beverage tea: ku means bitter, which aptly describes the initial taste, and ding is a Chinese character that looks like a spike (middle character, below), depicting the appearance of the dried, long leaves when they are twisted into a narrow nail-like piece; they can also be formed into balls or rolls (photos next page). The herb name is often written as a single transliterated word-kudingcha-and is sometimes misspelled without the g, as kudincha.

Ku Ding Cha was described in the Bencao Gangmu Shiyi (1765), originally called Dong Qing, which refers to the fact that it is an evergreen tree (dong means winter, or written another way, frozen, and qing means green; it is the tree that stays green through the winter). This term, being rather general, led to some confusion about source materials, two groups of plants were being utilized for the tea: the holly (species of Ilex) and the wax tree (species of Ligustrum). Today, it is estimated that more than 90% of the Ku Ding Cha used in China is from an Ilex, mainly Ilex kudingcha (though other Ilex species, such as Ilex latifolia, may be used), while several species of Ligustrum are substituted in Sichuan Province and in Japan. Both the holly and wax tree are evergreens, their leaves have a somewhat similar appearance, and the wax insect that feeds off the wax tree is also found occasionally on the holly. The leaves of Ilex kudingcha (young plant pictured here) are long, slim, without the points common to other holly plants, and somewhat rubbery in texture.

Considerable health benefit is attributed to Ku Ding Cha. In traditional Chinese medicine terms, it is used to disperse wind-heat, clear the head and the eyes, and resolve toxin, thus being used for common cold, rhinitis, itching eyes, red eyes, and headache. In addition, it is said to calm fidgets and alleviate thirst, especially when one is suffering from a disease that causes fever or severe diarrhea. It transforms phlegm and alleviates coughing, thus used in treating bronchitis. Finally, it is said to invigorate digestion and improve mental focus and memory.

Modern research suggests that the herb, whether derived from Ilex or Ligustrum, promotes blood circulation, lowers blood pressure, and lowers blood lipids, including cholesterol. It has the reputation of preventing deterioration of the heart and brain function and maintaining proper body weight. The main active components appear to be triterpene glycosides (saponins), which have been dubbed kudinosides and kudinlactones; it also contains polyphenols and flavonoids, somewhat like those found in ordinary tea.


Photos: leaf shapes of Ku Ding Cha (upper left); collected leaves before twisting and roasting (upper right);
Ku Ding Cha in spike form (center picture); ball form (lower left), and roll form (lower right)

One of the main growing locations for Ilex is in Guangxi Province of southwestern China (see map, last page); in particular, in Daxin County. The oldest Ilex tree is found growing there: it is about 30 meters high (100 feet), and has grown for centuries (see photo next page). In that county, there are about 3,400 acres (more than 5 square miles) of Ilex kudingcha trees under cultivation. Ilex is also grown throughout southern and central China and Vietnam.

The experience of drinking the tea is somewhat unusual. The taste of the tea is a pure, distinctive bitter, which, at first, would seem to make it undesirable. But, there is also an underlying sweet taste, one which becomes pronounced once the bitter wears off, a moment after taking a sip of the tea. It doesn't take too long to become accustomed to the taste and then find it attractive, in much the same way that coffee and other bitter drinks are desired. The strength of the tea can be adjusted to one's liking. It takes only a few spikes, typically 3-5 of them, to make a pot of tea for one person; hot water can be added again to the leaves, even several times, to make more tea.


The oldest and largest Ku Ding Cha tree in China, located in Daxin, Guangxi

In 1997 an Institute was established to research and develop Ku Ding Cha and other local Guangxi remedies. It is the Nanning Guangbo Institute for Developing Effective Folk Medicinal Prescriptions. Nanning is the main city of the Daxin region in Guangxi. A product has been developed that combines Ku Ding Cha with momordica, chrysanthemum, gardenia, imperata, morus leaf, and other herbs, and is used for clearing heat. It is recommended for counteracting overheating during the summer, for treating sore throat, alleviating the effects of consuming alcohol or smoking cigarettes, and resolving other hot-type conditions.

Another popular combination is ginkgo leaf (Yin Xing Ye) with Ku Ding Cha (the combination called Yin Xing Ku Ding Cha). This emphasizes the circulation promoting and memory enhancing effects of both herbs. For example, a tea of this mixture is produced under the Xinquan brand, manufactured by Guizhou Haoli Industry, in Guiyang City, Guizhou.

A company in Zhejiang Province, the Sierkang Kudingcha Tea Company, deals almost exclusively in Ku Ding Cha (Danquan Brand). The company has established tea manufacturing, seedling cultivation bases, and 38 processing spots; it has set up product distribution shops in Shanghai, Beijing, and other cities.

The proliferation of Ku Ding Cha production, research, manufacturing, and formulation assures that this valuable leaf will eventually gain world-wide recognition as a health promoting beverage and ingredient in prepared herbal medicines.
Map of Guangxi Province
Map showing Guangxi, a major growing region for Ku Ding Cha. This herb is also grown in all the surrounding areas shown: Guizhou and Hunan to the north, Guangdong to the east, Yunnan and Vietnam to the West. It is also grown on Hainan Island, in the South China Sea.
BIBLIOGRAPHY

The information for this article was culled from several sources, including a variety of internet postings and Chinese language illustrated Materia Medica books. The main reference texts were:

* Hsu HY, et al., Oriental Materia Medica, 1986 Oriental Healing Arts Institute, Long Beach, CA.
* Smith FP and Stuart GA, Chinese Medicinal Herbs, 1973 Georgetown Press, San Francisco, CA.
* Reports on chemical constituents were published in several journals, including:
* Wen D, Zheng X, and Inoue K, Studies on the chemical constituents of Ilex, Chinese Journal of Chinese Traditional Herbs 1999; 24(4): 223-223, 255 [studies conducted at the Guangxi Institute of Traditional Chinese Medical and Pharmaceutical Science, Nanning].
* Ouyang MA, Yang CR, Wu ZJ, Triterpenoid saponins from the leaves of Ilex kudingcha, Journal of Asian Natural Products Research 2001; 3(1): 31-42 [studies done at the Department of Chemistry, Huaqiao University, Quazhou, Fujian; Ouyang and his colleagues produced several earlier articles on the same subject].

December 2002
 
so I know I was posting couple of days back about the pooling blood pain ive been getting..well I overloaded myself with fish oil capsules and the pain has subsided...nevertheless sometimes I still feel random small uncomfort pain....I emailed my doctor in China and he says it is very strange to see pain coming back...and masturbation or sexual activity usually does not cause the reoccurence of pain...just in case anyone was wondering.
 
on a side note...to improve moods I also drink Chrysanthemum tea....it is VERY good/tasty and relieves stress...I am chinese myself.. I have also bought chinese medicine before when I had edema after surgery..it significantly sped up my recovery rate from that.
 
Hi uptempo,

Good to see you are doing better. Hopefully those small bits of pain are your testicles growing back to normal levels.

What sort of procedure did you have done? How long ago?
 
hey axa, I had the surgery performed on me on september 2nd..and it was a microsurgery varicocelectomy around lower left abs area..hope everything is going better for you!
 
do testicles recover after the surgery? My testicles are getting smaller and it is freaking me out, every day it seems they are getting smaller
 
Varicocele Issue

Hey everyone just to start I'll tell a little about myself.

I started Body Training and so far so little progress but it'll happen.
My current A/H/W/BMI is
Age: 25
Weight: 170-ish
Height: 6" 0'
Body Mass Index: (Don't quote me I had a rough estimate) 24.7
I do the basic workouts to start me out.

As the the main issue I come to this forum in particular is I happen to have what seems to be a varicocele and was hoping to get some questions answered straight from those who seem to have the same issue or know someone who does. So if anyone can respond with them that will more then likely be a life save or at least a pride saver.

What are the in depth symptoms of a varicocele

What are the long term effects of having it for 2~6 years

Are the effects of a varicocele permanent or will they "clear up"

Is the Atrophy permanent or can it be treated for

What are some good recomended body building plans for me.
(Plan is 180~200 lbs with Good tone) Built but not ripped.

Well these are some of the questions I have.

Well thanks again for the time and hope
to hear or read your answers soon soon.


<! sxe.james -> :run:
 
K1212,

When did you have the surgery? It could be that your testes still need time to fully recover from the surgery.

I have a varicocele myself and I have been using HCG and I have noticed my testicles grew, especially initially. This is indication that the damage that the varicocele did can be recovered from. There is a chance that the damage is irrecoverable and that would probably reflect in your T-levels and you'll have to probably be on TRT if your levels are low enough.

HCG is worth a shot to stimulate growth of the Leydig and Sertoli cells.



sxe0viking,

The first step is to determine whether or not you do have a varicocele. If in infact you have a varicocele, then results vary from what I understand. While you're at it, get your hormone levels (like testosterone/estrogen) checked out to determine if your potential varicocele might be causing you to have low testosterone.

That's also very important to know for your workout ambitions since testosterone levels are very important for that.
 
Thank you for the response. As for the tests,
I'll be getting those in no less then three months.

So if you'd like (if not just for kicks) I can post again after the results come in and maybe I can could utilize this forum for information and networking with people of like mind.

Seeing as I am also due for some fine body tuning and this site seems to be just the place to go for all your work-out needs.

Well this is sxe0viking signing off,
Till next time! :run:
 
K1212,

When did you have the surgery? It could be that your testes still need time to fully recover from the surgery.

I have a varicocele myself and I have been using HCG and I have noticed my testicles grew, especially initially. This is indication that the damage that the varicocele did can be recovered from. There is a chance that the damage is irrecoverable and that would probably reflect in your T-levels and you'll have to probably be on TRT if your levels are low enough.

HCG is worth a shot to stimulate growth of the Leydig and Sertoli cells.



sxe0viking,

The first step is to determine whether or not you do have a varicocele. If in infact you have a varicocele, then results vary from what I understand. While you're at it, get your hormone levels (like testosterone/estrogen) checked out to determine if your potential varicocele might be causing you to have low testosterone.

That's also very important to know for your workout ambitions since testosterone levels are very important for that.


oh no I didnt have the surgery yet I was just wondering if they do recover after surgery, it seems my testicles are getting smaller every time I touch them
 
K1212,

Well that's one of the things varicoceles do...

You might want to ask your doctor to try some HCG since that will probably help reverse testicular atrophy....It's worked some for me as well as increase my T-levels, so it's given me some confidence that my testicular atrophy is reversible and will hopefully recover after the surgery.
 
K1212,

Well that's one of the things varicoceles do...

You might want to ask your doctor to try some HCG since that will probably help reverse testicular atrophy....It's worked some for me as well as increase my T-levels, so it's given me some confidence that my testicular atrophy is reversible and will hopefully recover after the surgery.

but it will replace natural LH levels in the body. Instead he can try clomid
 
Another thing I noticed is that I had a greater amount ejaculate and it went from a yellowish color to a cloudy, white, milky color. I wonder if that means more sperm in my semen.

The semen in the seminal vessels can become yellow and even chunky if one has not ejaculated for a long time. When men have low T for a long time and become sexually inactive, the semen can become rancid. This leads to inflammation and the inflammation spreads to the prostate.

It is believed that a lack of ejaculation is a risk factor for BPH and prostate cancer. Ejaculation is needed from a heath point of view.
 
KSMan,

When I don't ejaculate, even for a couple weeks, I notice that my semen was chunky & yellow....

When I got back on the HCG I saw that and it started to fade away after a while and it became clear & cloudy milky color.
 
Well, I saw the urologist today and he confirmed I had about a grade 3'ish varicocele b/c he didn't really have to touch around to feel it..I always thought I was at a grade 2 but I guess I was being conservative after seeing all those monster varicoceles out there ..my scrotum was cooperating this morning and wasn't all shriveled up so he was able to see it well.

I indicated that I wanted to go through with the surgery and insurance covers it as an outpatient procedure and will only be hit with a co-pay of $150 and he said I should just rest for a week and I should go back to work but no heavy lifting or sexual activity for a month.

I am waiting on his nurse to schedule my appointment.
 
Thanks uptempo,

How did you feel the 1st week after your surgery? I want to know how much time I will need to take off work.

I can work from home for a couple weeks so I may not need to take time off, but I want to know how much time I should be at home.

I do computer work so I don't need to be lifting or moving, but I don't want to be in the office if my balls are busting me and I am whincing every now and then.
 
Thanks uptempo,

How did you feel the 1st week after your surgery? I want to know how much time I will need to take off work.

I can work from home for a couple weeks so I may not need to take time off, but I want to know how much time I should be at home.

I do computer work so I don't need to be lifting or moving, but I don't want to be in the office if my balls are busting me and I am whincing every now and then.

I took 11 days to get over the pain. 11 days of walking like Robby the Robot and barely being able to bend. So if you go to work and drop something under the desk...forget it. Not worth the effort.
 
So, I'm going to go to the pediatrician sometime soon, and what do I do if he thinks its a varicocele and then tells me I don't need to do anything about it? I'm 14 years old, and have no pain from it yet, but isn't it better to get it fixed now and avoid the possibility of infertility, testicular shrinkage, and low T levels later? I guess I should just wait until I actually go before dealing with these hypothetical situations, but I'm just so worried about how to deal with these thing.

I was looking through this thread a while ago, and noticed this Megazoid guy said he was going to make a website for people with varicoceles. Do any of you now if he ever did?
 
So, I'm going to go to the pediatrician sometime soon, and what do I do if he thinks its a varicocele and then tells me I don't need to do anything about it? I'm 14 years old, and have no pain from it yet, but isn't it better to get it fixed now and avoid the possibility of infertility, testicular shrinkage, and low T levels later? I guess I should just wait until I actually go before dealing with these hypothetical situations, but I'm just so worried about how to deal with these thing.
I was looking through this thread a while ago, and noticed this Megazoid guy said he was going to make a website for people with varicoceles. Do any of you now if he ever did?
Coriakin,
make your parents aware of your situation, NOW.
Properly working testis are extremely important to your development.
Put maximum effort to having all your hormones at the right levels.
Usually that means to be on the higher level, except cortisol.

Read this board, go to dr John's board, ask questions.
Newer use steroids, prohormones or similar.

Be cool and determined, it is your life that you are just starting.

Newer eat anything made of:
soy
high-fructose
partially-hydrogenated fats
 
JanSz,

WHy do you say someone who has a varicocele shouldn't eat these things? What kinds of foods have partially hydrogenated fats?

IS sugar-based beverages better than high fructose?



Cori,

If you in fact have a varicocele, DEAL with it....don't kick it down the can.

I am 29 years old and I have been having progressively worse hormonal function...I think I may have had this varicocele since adolescence and God knows what it has affected and what may have been b/c I used to suffer from fatigue since my teens and I think I had a relatively mild puberty.

Anyways, deal with it...but first you have to verify you have a varicocele.
 
JanSz,

WHy do you say someone who has a varicocele shouldn't eat these things? What kinds of foods have partially hydrogenated fats?

IS sugar-based beverages better than high fructose?

If you need sweet, ordinary sugar is better.
Look at the label for the content.

Margarines are made of hydrogenated fats.
 
Hi JanSz,

Thanks! I have been drinking KuDing tea from China and I heard they use it as a traditional medicine for detox and I truly feel better when I drink it regularly. My mood and thought clarity increase, almost like when I was on Wellbutrin.

I make sure I drink some when I am studying.

I am getting some more from teaspring.com ....I feel it really helps....I need to stop the junk food though.
 
So, I'm going to go to the pediatrician sometime soon, and what do I do if he thinks its a varicocele and then tells me I don't need to do anything about it? I'm 14 years old, and have no pain from it yet, but isn't it better to get it fixed now and avoid the possibility of infertility, testicular shrinkage, and low T levels later? I guess I should just wait until I actually go before dealing with these hypothetical situations, but I'm just so worried about how to deal with these thing.

I was looking through this thread a while ago, and noticed this Megazoid guy said he was going to make a website for people with varicoceles. Do any of you now if he ever did?

Megazoid seems to have moved on but send him a private message - he might still be around and can answer that one.

At age 14, you have to be careful. It seems varicoceles are more likely to get the attention of a doctor at that age than with us oldies. Anything that stuffs up the hormones at your peak growing years is not good news. This is when you need them working so you can turn out your best in later life. Once you pass 21 then the doctors dont care. Encourage mum and dad to take you to some specialist (or two or three) and get it looked into. Google the net and you will see under "adolescant and varicocele" plenty of opinions." But get the parents to take you to someone. Better safe.
 
I don't know if it's psychological, but now I can start seeing the varicocele make the left side of my scrotum hang down longer.....

I am waiting to get scheduled for the surgery, but I hope to be rid of this issue soon.
 
I don't know if it's psychological, but now I can start seeing the varicocele make the left side of my scrotum hang down longer.....

I am waiting to get scheduled for the surgery, but I hope to be rid of this issue soon.

I wasnt so much worrying about how low it hung as much as the fact that the left testicle was about the size of a small marble and soft. Now its twice the size and firmer since Varicocele was removed. Wouldnt have believed it myself but its hanging there as proof.
 
I wasnt so much worrying about how low it hung as much as the fact that the left testicle was about the size of a small marble and soft. Now its twice the size and firmer since Varicocele was removed. Wouldnt have believed it myself but its hanging there as proof.


your testicle was the size of a marble and it grew back?

My testicles right now are the size of small grapes but they are hard though, I heard that when they get hard that means they have atrophied and they are useless, has anyone heard anything about this?

Does soft mean the testicle is still functioning and hard mean it is dead?
 
I believe you guys misunderstood my question. I was not questioning whether I should get it checked; of course I'm going to the doctor soon. What I was wondering was what if (when I go) the doctor says it is a varicocele and I don't need to do anything about it (and I think its definitely better to get rid of this thing). But you kind of answered my question, shyguava, when you said that doctors seem to be more concerned about adolescents with varicoceles than with you oldies. I was just worried about how I have seen people on this forum say that some doctors won't recommend surgery unless you are in pain.
 
Coriakin,

Yes, a lot of doctors won't do anything if you are not in pain but some will. If you are not experiencing symptoms, they don't want to take any 'drastic' action like surgery if you're fine. Unfortunately, they are just kicking down the can.

If it is a varicocele, you might express your concern about what it will do in the future and you might want to complain of 'discomfort' if he doesn't want to cooperate.

You can always go to another doctor if they don't cooperate.
 
I'm 15 and I have a varicocele aswell. I went to the doctor about 2 months ago and he said I should just leave it alone. After reading this thread and a few others I think it would be best to correct it. I am starting to get occational pain from it now, so should I go back to the doctor complaining of pain to possibly get surgery?
 
Persplagon,

You're very young and are probably still going through puberty. You should definitely get your doctor to look at it and tell him you don't want to ignore it and you will start seeing another doctor if it is not addressed.


HappySadMad,

You won't know for sure,but I take it you are still in your early 20s and have had it for around 3 years. It is definitely something you should look into.
 
HappySadMad,

Personally, I don't think that you are at the point of no return. The 1st thing you could do is ask your doctor to give you HCG to see if your testicles get stimulated and start to grow.

You are pretty young and a lot of times the younger you are the more reversible things are. I think you should do something about it.
 
Yes, I am still in my early twenties.. I had my vericosle symptoms for about 3 and a half years. My test levels came back around 270 6 months when it first starting happening they were around 470 and I still felt shitty and suffered the symptoms.. I MUST OF REALLY HAD HIGH TEST LEVELS ORIGINALLY. IS 3 TO 4 YEARS A DAMAGING TIME AND THE FACT THAT I HAD 6 MONTHS OF TRT...


have your testicles gotten small and hard, I think that is how to tell if they have atrophied or not

Also frequent sex probably was the cause for the varicocele as I know mine was caused by frequent long msaturbation sessions
 
axa0176,

I asked my GP at my last checkup and he said it's normal and all that and to not worry about it. After that I went to the urologist and he did not have much more to say about it that I didn't already know. So should I go back saying I want to correct it?
 
Persplagon,

Yes, definitely! Explain your problems and tell him you are concerned about fertility, puberty, and future testosterone levels and you want to see a specialist. Start trying to find doctors in your area who take this stuff seriously.
 
Everything got smaller.**** AND BALLS.MY BALLS WERE SO HUGE BEFORE. NOW THERE small. i had big **** and big balls to small **** and small balls. I have to take about 3000 grams of l argenine before i have sex.


yea well I am in the same boat, Varicoceles ruined my life as well as other peoples here for sure, from puberty to July 26th I was a completly different person, after July 26th I feel like I am in hell
 
The repair is intended to relieve pain in men who are symptomatic. In men with infertility, improvements in sperm concentration and motility can be expected. In adolescents with varicoceles that have resulted in a small, soft testis, some catch-up growth can be expected. In adults, the repair will not result in an increase in testicular size, but should halt the progression of impairments in sperm production.


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Varicoceles appear on the left side in 90% of patients. By a complex mechanism of heat
exchange, the blood going to the testicle is cooled from 37°C to 33°C. The varicocele
appears to affect the blood cooling mechanism and creates higher temperatures in the
scrotum. The increased temperature decreases sperm production. The varicocele may
also affect hormonal balance in the testicle and oxygen delivery. There are two types of
cells in the testicle, those that make sperm and those that make testosterone. Both appear
to be affected by the varicocele. In adolescents, the varicocele can affect testicular
growth. The varicocele has no affect upon erections, penile size, libido, virility or
pubertal development.
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