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I have access to pharma of either kind and am cutting now. Wondering which one you’d prefer for a cut and pros and cons of both. Which one would you think could help me harden my chest up?
 

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I have access to pharma of either kind and am cutting now. Wondering which one you’d prefer for a cut and pros and cons of both. Which one would you think could help me harden my chest up?
I personally like test p + var.

For me, Var gave me me strength in cut, and made my body feel better overall. Good vascularity.

I tried winny, better dry look, also good vascularity, but it messed with my joints bad. I felt like I was 80 years old. Everything hurt.

So for me Var>winny.

Based on your last question, I'd say the general consensus is winny will harden your chest up more/give you that hardened look more than Var will.
 
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I have access to pharma of either kind and am cutting now. Wondering which one you’d prefer for a cut and pros and cons of both. Which one would you think could help me harden my chest up?
Pharma anavar is 2.5 or 10mg. Thats a lot of tabs. If it is Pharma. Either way, no contest if youre concerned about lipids and cardiovascular health anavar hands down, all day.

I think anavar is a better drug anyway. Winny gives a certain hard grainy look and its prob easier to build muscle on. But anavar makes you look fuller and healthier imo. Winny comes w a heavier cost, not price tag but healthwise.
 

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I have to get rid of this last bit of fat on my chest and there’s more on the left pec than the right. It’s rather uneven so I’m wanting to really hit this cut hard and get rid of it once and for all.
 
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I have to get rid of this last bit of fat on my chest and there’s more on the left pec than the right. It’s rather uneven so I’m wanting to really hit this cut hard and get rid of it once and for all.
Drugs aren't going to do that... Diet and exercise will. If you're depending on the drugs to make it happen you'll prob be disappointed. They do help. They will really just draw upon whatever your foundation is when you take them.

If someone with 20% bf takes steroids they usually end up just bigger at that same 20% or more when cycling (unless really disciplined with their diet on cycle). Someone who's dialed in and already lean takes them its easier to stay lean and gain size.


Also if youre cutting, you dont need much. 300 test and 40mg anavar is plenty for a cut.
 

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Pharma anavar is 2.5 or 10mg. Thats a lot of tabs. If it is Pharma. Either way, no contest if youre concerned about lipids and cardiovascular health anavar hands down, all day.

I think anavar is a better drug anyway. Winny gives a certain hard grainy look and its prob easier to build muscle on. But anavar makes you look fuller and healthier imo. Winny comes w a heavier cost, not price tag but healthwise.
The var and winny are both 50mg tablets from my HRT pharmacy. Var is only offered during certain times of the year due to how expensive it is to make and a couple other factors. Var is more expensive of course. $15 a tablet haha but all the stuff they’ve sent me has been insanely good, I loved their deca, Test cyp and P. Usually I get cut deals from an insider I have a good relationship with. How much worse would you say winny is? My joints have been rough lately as is, especially since I dropped my estrogen rather low. Sprained my left wrist, left elbow is sore, knees are creaky and sore.
 
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The var and winny are both 50mg tablets from my HRT pharmacy. Var is only offered during certain times of the year due to how expensive it is to make and a couple other factors. Var is more expensive of course. $15 a tablet haha but all the stuff they’ve sent me has been insanely good, I loved their deca, Test cyp and P. Usually I get cut deals from an insider I have a good relationship with. How much worse would you say winny is? My joints have been rough lately as is, especially since I dropped my estrogen rather low. Sprained my left wrist, left elbow is sore, knees are creaky and sore.
Take the anavar man. If you care about your health at all. Its a better drug and mikes difference healthwise. Winny is BAD on joints like really bad.

Thats cool if it's compounded at 50mg one tab a day is plenty. Id actually buy some empty caps or just dump half in a piece of toilet paper and parachute it lol theres a idea floating around if you take the whole 50 at once take it in the evening with caffeine like a cup of coffee. Anavar has a synergistic effect with caffeine. It isnt bro science either its evidence based I just have no idea where to find it.

With things like chest fat or stubborn fat that we carry as men only time and discipline will really rid those trouble areas. I used to have it around my hips. Once I broke into 13ish percent bf it started to disappear. Until then it was stubborn as ****. Everything else was changing BUT that lol
 

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Drugs aren't going to do that... Diet and exercise will. If you're depending on the drugs to make it happen you'll prob be disappointed. They do help. They will really just draw upon whatever your foundation is when you take them.

If someone with 20% bf takes steroids they usually end up just bigger at that same 20% or more when cycling (unless really disciplined with their diet on cycle). Someone who's dialed in and already lean takes them its easier to stay lean and gain size.


Also if youre cutting, you dont need much. 300 test and 40mg anavar is plenty for a cut.
Noooo I know that. I’ve been smaller and reduced the fat before, there’s some pics of me on here somewhere you can compare if you dig. Just wanting to get all my ducks in a row so when I do hop onto a DHT I enjoy the one I’m on. I’ll be dropping down to around 165-170lbs before I start an actual cutting cycle. I’m at 183.6 as of yesterday. Taking a topical fat burner, pre workout, animal cuts, 200mg Test cyp, 7-keto, and I might play with epiandro again. I love that stuff. I don’t get any strength boost on it but I get rather aggressive and feel good in general. I loved my cycle on it.
 
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Noooo I know that. I’ve been smaller and reduced the fat before, there’s some pics of me on here somewhere you can compare if you dig. Just wanting to get all my ducks in a row so when I do hop onto a DHT I enjoy the one I’m on. I’ll be dropping down to around 165-170lbs before I start an actual cutting cycle. I’m at 183.6 as of yesterday. Taking a topical fat burner, pre workout, animal cuts, 200mg Test cyp, 7-keto, and I might play with epiandro again. I love that stuff. I don’t get any strength boost on it but I get rather aggressive and feel good in general. I loved my cycle on it.
Yeah man check out my post above^^^

I was gonna say masteron but prob get crucified for it. A lot of people hate on it on here. But personally if you're having a little trouble and just need to tighten up NOTHING will do it like mast. It doesnt build muscle so it doesn't give the fluctuations in hormones and the awkward holding water stage that most steroids do. As a pure dht it just tightens everything up a bit and strength and aggression go up. You don't need a lot either. 2-300 mg per week tops. It does come with some sides tho too, especially at higher doses.


Stick to your guns, try the anavar AFTER you drop down a little further. You sound like you have a good plan in place.
 

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Take the anavar man. If you care about your health at all. Its a better drug and mikes difference healthwise. Winny is BAD on joints like really bad.

Thats cool if it's compounded at 50mg one tab a day is plenty. Id actually buy some empty caps or just dump half in a piece of toilet paper and parachute it lol theres a idea floating around if you take the whole 50 at once take it in the evening with caffeine like a cup of coffee. Anavar has a synergistic effect with caffeine. It isnt bro science either its evidence based I just have no idea where to find it.

With things like chest fat or stubborn fat that we carry as men only time and discipline will really rid those trouble areas. I used to have it around my hips. Once I broke into 13ish percent bf it started to disappear. Until then it was stubborn as ****. Everything else was changing BUT that lol
Yeah I have it around the hips too but the chest fat has always been more so the mental issue for me especially when one side is worse than the other. I know I’m around 18-20% bf so I have to get it down. Really let myself go recently, I have no fear delt striations, hardly any bicep vascularity and none in the triceps anymore. Pec veins are hiding as well. Genetically and from being so big before I gain fat around my chest but the uneven part had always bugged me.
 

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Yeah man check out my post above^^^

I was gonna say masteron but prob get crucified for it. A lot of people hate on it on here. But personally if you're having a little trouble and just need to tighten up NOTHING will do it like mast. It doesnt build muscle so it doesn't give the fluctuations in hormones and the awkward holding water stage that most steroids do. As a pure dht it just tightens everything up a bit and strength and aggression go up. You don't need a lot either. 2-300 mg per week tops. It does come with some sides tho too, especially at higher doses.


Stick to your guns, try the anavar AFTER you drop down a little further. You sound like you have a good plan in place.
I’ve always been interested in Mast but afraid to take it. DHT makes me really mean and I can’t afford it at the moment. Hell even high dose Epi Andro makes me an evil prick. Have primo but I’m not sure about it. Honestly think it’s Tren.
 
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$15 a tab for anavar is a scam man, screw that. I’d say anavar would be the better between the two, but I’d avoid it at that price personally. How much is the winny?
 
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The var and winny are both 50mg tablets from my HRT pharmacy. Var is only offered during certain times of the year due to how expensive it is to make and a couple other factors. Var is more expensive of course. $15 a tablet haha but all the stuff they’ve sent me has been insanely good, I loved their deca, Test cyp and P. Usually I get cut deals from an insider I have a good relationship with. How much worse would you say winny is? My joints have been rough lately as is, especially since I dropped my estrogen rather low. Sprained my left wrist, left elbow is sore, knees are creaky and sore.
Your HRT clinic is just a glorified UG lab if they are providing that kind of stuff..
 
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Agree with pretty much everything I've read including the last post. Just going to chime in and say for straight cut and peel and trying to get crazy chiseled I would have to say winny but I will not use it anymore because of my joints so if your joints are an issue definitely run the anavar and be in a slight deficit and it will cut up real nice. Maybe three weeks of anavar and one week of winny to polish off the cut. But I think the price is your pain are a rip-off and I do believe your so-called HRT Clinic is nothing more than a UGL someone calling themselves a doctor working there.
 

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Oh I won’t pay $15 a tab lol fuuuuuck that. I’ll get it for the same price as the winny at $5 a tab.
 
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I have access to pharma of either kind and am cutting now. Wondering which one you’d prefer for a cut and pros and cons of both. Which one would you think could help me harden my chest up?
Are you constantly running some type of steroids?
 

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How long you been blasting?? It’s been pretty long no? You’re reminding me I should drop my blast it’s been way too long
I dropped down to 200mg cruise a few weeks ago. I wanna say it’s been a month. I won’t raise my test when I go on the oral though.
 

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I’ve always been interested in Mast but afraid to take it. DHT makes me really mean and I can’t afford it at the moment. Hell even high dose Epi Andro makes me an evil prick. Have primo but I’m not sure about it. Honestly think it’s Tren.
Really good stuff (masteron) for aggression and strength gains when coupled with test.
However it can make you feel anxious and panicky.

I was completely fine at 200mg per week.

at 400 i was at my strongest but couldnt take for more than a week. Started having daily panic attaxks,
 
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I have access to pharma of either kind and am cutting now. Wondering which one you’d prefer for a cut and pros and cons of both. Which one would you think could help me harden my chest up?

Winny is personally one of my favorite drugs. I've always felt and looked fantastic on it.

As far as results go though, Winny itself doesn't have any fat reduction/fat targeting properties. It just gives the impression that it does - you'll look ridiculous on it but you'll actually be putting on more muscle than you will be burning fat. Winny is definitely a lot more anabolic than people think. The biggest con would probably be the hit it's going to take on your liver/possible joint pain. A lot of people can't tolerate a solid dose of it at 75-100mg for very long.

Anavar on the other hand has been proven to actually target fat to a certain degree. I would personally go with Var. Plus you'll definitely be able to run it a lot longer and tolerate it much better.
 

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Recomping or cutting, var > winstrol for me. The midsection fat just comes off easier.
 
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Having run once Winny and twice Var, I would say Winny is tricky. It gives you strength but cant go heavy due to joint pain. Couldnt do a single wide pull up without pain, considering I normally do 8-10reps with an extra plate on me.

You can maximize Var cut without much extra stress on the body, just by adding salbutamol(albuterol brand name). They will work wonders with very low carbs and deficit
 

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One thing I’m having a bit of trouble with is my estradiol. After my blast of 400mg test and 200mg deca and Epi Andro 600mg, it seems the Test is dragging out or the deca. I lowered my doses to 200mg test and 1mg adex a week but still having libido and mood issues. How long do you guys taper your adex down after a blast?
 

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One thing I’m having a bit of trouble with is my estradiol. After my blast of 400mg test and 200mg deca and Epi Andro 600mg, it seems the Test is dragging out or the deca. I lowered my doses to 200mg test and 1mg adex a week but still having libido and mood issues. How long do you guys taper your adex down after a blast?
Have you tried aromasin? I have aromasin from the pharmacy and it crashes your e2 if you take too much just like that. And i really like it as there is no estro rebound, e2 just climbs slowly after discontinuation.

My theory is that it is possible to completely crash e2 with aromasin if you are on exogenous test, but not if your testes are working.
 

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So this is me at 181lbs. Left side is still a little disproportionate to the right side, seems I hold more fat on my left side chest and lats than right but more fat on my right arm and leg than left. Odd. I’ll add a pic from the left for comparison.
 

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No clue what my body fat percentage is, but this is a different place than the last pic so it looks different.
 

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So your bmi is roughly 25.3

i would say we have similar bf percentages. 15ish % i would say.
I was leaning towards 16-17% give or take a little bit. Funny thing is that I can see my abs before my pecs start to become completely flat.
 
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A really well thought out cut with carbs centered around when you actually need them and some Var Or winny plus prop and a good injectable like Dienolone or Mast etc etc. you will look awesome, appear even bigger and get really lean. Log it bro!
 

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A really well thought out cut with carbs centered around when you actually need them and some Var Or winny plus prop and a good injectable like Dienolone or Mast etc etc. you will look awesome, appear even bigger and get really lean. Log it bro!
I think I will. Was thinking Test cyp/prop, var, Epi Andro (love that stuff), and either IGF-1 LR3 or HGH frag. I don’t eat until 12, high protein and a little fat, 30-40g carbs, go lift, post meal is no carbs, usually whey, turkey burger and veggies, next meal has like chick pea pasta or rice, fish or poultry, then another low -mid carb meal.
 
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So you just lowered your test a couple weeks back and already wanting to go back on cycle? Wait a bit. Also cruising at 200 and only 1 dose a week of an AI is likely going to cause issues if you are estro sensitive. Spread it out if you must so it stays even. Not sure how long you have been on before this 4 week break but from what it sounds like you have been on a while. Why not take a real break, let everything go back to normal, let your myostatin and SHGB levels drop back down a bit and make MORE progress on your next cycle... Honestly unless you plan to compete running a blast and cruise doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Do real TRT doses in between your cycles so you can actually recover your lipids and other things. Depending on your system running it at 200 could easily still be causing plenty of side effects, messing up lipids, increasing hemotocrit, higher estrogen, enlarged prostate, all of that is most likely still happening at 200mg. Just not as noticeably. Try 100-150 a week, then blast away when it is time to blast. Not only will it improve your health, but the results of your blasts.

Other than that my preference is Var all day every day over Winny for all the reasons mentioned already.
 

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So you just lowered your test a couple weeks back and already wanting to go back on cycle? Wait a bit. Also cruising at 200 and only 1 dose a week of an AI is likely going to cause issues if you are estro sensitive. Spread it out if you must so it stays even. Not sure how long you have been on before this 4 week break but from what it sounds like you have been on a while. Why not take a real break, let everything go back to normal, let your myostatin and SHGB levels drop back down a bit and make MORE progress on your next cycle... Honestly unless you plan to compete running a blast and cruise doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Do real TRT doses in between your cycles so you can actually recover your lipids and other things. Depending on your system running it at 200 could easily still be causing plenty of side effects, messing up lipids, increasing hemotocrit, higher estrogen, enlarged prostate, all of that is most likely still happening at 200mg. Just not as noticeably. Try 100-150 a week, then blast away when it is time to blast. Not only will it improve your health, but the results of your blasts.

Other than that my preference is Var all day every day over Winny for all the reasons mentioned already.
I can understand him. I am already itchy to blast (not necessarily tons of steroids, maybe some sarms with low test) but health issues and hypochondria prevent me from blasting right now.
 

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So you just lowered your test a couple weeks back and already wanting to go back on cycle? Wait a bit. Also cruising at 200 and only 1 dose a week of an AI is likely going to cause issues if you are estro sensitive. Spread it out if you must so it stays even. Not sure how long you have been on before this 4 week break but from what it sounds like you have been on a while. Why not take a real break, let everything go back to normal, let your myostatin and SHGB levels drop back down a bit and make MORE progress on your next cycle... Honestly unless you plan to compete running a blast and cruise doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Do real TRT doses in between your cycles so you can actually recover your lipids and other things. Depending on your system running it at 200 could easily still be causing plenty of side effects, messing up lipids, increasing hemotocrit, higher estrogen, enlarged prostate, all of that is most likely still happening at 200mg. Just not as noticeably. Try 100-150 a week, then blast away when it is time to blast. Not only will it improve your health, but the results of your blasts.

Other than that my preference is Var all day every day over Winny for all the reasons mentioned already.
Lipids are good, though a little skewed. HCT/HGB is good, I donate every 8 weeks anyways though because I’m O+ blood type. Estrogen has always been good after dialed in, just having a little trouble recently so I need to taper my AI down over the next couple weeks. My test was at 1050ng on a trough day so my E will naturally be a bit up because of the longer ester. PSA is great, no prostate issues at all. BP is perfect at 100/55. 200mg a week only gets me around 900ng/dL though so just upper normal range. I’ve thought about 150mg a week but I have to get my E situated first because it causes unwanted ED issues if it’s just a little out of range. My libido isn’t great now either. Just gotta play around with it a little.
 

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I want to add I won’t be jumping on gear immediately, it’ll be a little while, I’ll just be ordering it and planning my cycle now.
 

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I can understand him. I am already itchy to blast (not necessarily tons of steroids, maybe some sarms with low test) but health issues and hypochondria prevent me from blasting right now.
Honestly I don’t really trust sarms anymore. I have a bunch of PRz LGD too.
 

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So as I was doing decline and flat bench I noticed that my shoulders were a bit achey... during cable flies and pecdeck flies, my elbows were so damn sore that I couldn’t do more than 4 sets. Bench couldn’t go over 135lbs because of the pain. My mood is great! But after about 2mg of adex this week I may have gotten it a little lower than I thought it would go, or at least a little faster than I thought it would. Should I go back to 1mg a week? Usually that keeps me around 20pg but I didn’t think 2mg would drop me from 60pg that fast.
 

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@Mathb33 it looks like the day after 100mg of Test I came in at 551 TT. I do injections Monday and Thursday.
 

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@Mathb33 it looks like the day after 100mg of Test I came in at 551 TT. I do injections Monday and Thursday.
 
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Sounds good, the Var would definitely be my go to.
 

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