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Have been in a rut for like a week now. Flu like symptoms, minus puking, and fever. Workouts have suffered, and I dont know how to just not hit the gym, unless I feel so horrid I have to lie down. I cant even nap, whether sick or healthy. Why hit the gym when feeling down? Stimulate protein synthesis. Hoping these body aches, lethargy, and headaches leave soon.
That sucks!
I know when I puke my abs look pretty good afterwards! (always try to find something positive)! lol
 
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That sucks!
I know when I puke my abs look pretty good afterwards! (always try to find something positive)! lol
A positive is my weight has not gone down after a poor week!
 
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Finally feeling better this week. Stronger. More endurant. Getting over whatever virus I had.

Yesterday 11/25 Chest

Finally got back into performing bench press after taking a year off, due to left shoulder issues, and just working on DB.

Flat Bench:
135x12
155×10
185x8
215x6
225x2
235x1

DB incline
40x12
50x10
60x8
70x6
70x5

Machine flies
4 sets, held the squeeze each rep.

Abbreviated the chest workout due to me hitting bench press for the first time in a long time.

11/26 Back

BB bent over rows

135x12
155x10
175x9
195x8
215x6
235x5

Wide Grip Pull Ups
BWx12
10x10
20x10
30x8
40x7
50x5

BB bent over lat pulls
25x12
50x10
75x8
100x8
125x7
150x6

3 sets of lat rope push downs
 
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I am at 4 weeks of Vector today. I'm happy to say that I have slightly more than 4 weeks worth of caps in the bottle than less than 4 weeks worth.

Things I havent noticed on Vector that others have.
No increased hunger.
No increased sex drive.
Crazy dreams stopped after a few days of taking.
Weight has not budged much through this month. (Could be because I had gained a lot of weight the previous few months). Sitting at a plateau that I'm sure will be broken.

My injuries that had hindered my bench and bicep work seems to be better, providing me better bicep workouts and future chest workouts; getting back under the bench. Not sure how much Vector has to do with this. Endurance and strength was great while working back today, I could have done some more exercises, but felt my lats were sufficiently trained.

My hope for the next 4 weeks.
Increased lean mass
Someone that can actually take my measurements properly
Increased strength/endurance.
 

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I am at 4 weeks of Vector today. I'm happy to say that I have slightly more than 4 weeks worth of caps in the bottle than less than 4 weeks worth.

Things I havent noticed on Vector that others have.
No increased hunger.
No increased sex drive.
Crazy dreams stopped after a few days of taking.
Weight has not budged much through this month. (Could be because I had gained a lot of weight the previous few months). Sitting at a plateau that I'm sure will be broken.

My injuries that had hindered my bench and bicep work seems to be better, providing me better bicep workouts and future chest workouts; getting back under the bench. Not sure how much Vector has to do with this. Endurance and strength was great while working back today, I could have done some more exercises, but felt my lats were sufficiently trained.

My hope for the next 4 weeks.
Increased lean mass
Someone that can actually take my measurements properly
Increased strength/endurance.
Hard to get gains when you don't feel good. Glad your feeling better. Have a good month!
 
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Weight at 172. Disapointing to see the scale downward. Look a little leaner IMO, but I would rather be leaner and weigh the same, or more. Maybe feeling shotty last week, plus stress took some toll on my body.
 

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Weight at 172. Disapointing to see the scale downward. Look a little leaner IMO, but I would rather be leaner and weigh the same, or more. Maybe feeling shotty last week, plus stress took some toll on my body.
Being sick aside. I have to add an extra meal just to maintain weight / recomp with Vector.
 
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176 this morning.
175 yesterday afternoon.

Appears when I was at 172 last week, it was with depleted water/glycogen. A gain of up to 4lbs in a few days would not be fat or muscle. So if I weighed 172, with depleted water, and a leaner waist, not too upset, especially after the past couple weeks have been difficult with not feeling too well, and with holiday work schedule really pushing my body.
 
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Yesterday was chest.
I did bench press again as the main chest press. 2nd good bench in over a year.

Flat Bench
135x12
185x9
205x7
225x3
235x1
205x6
205x5

All reps were controlled, did not bounce bar on chest, bar hovered over chest before pressing up.

Incline DB

6 sets of 40lb TUT

Upper pec cable flies
3 sets
 
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After back workout today.
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Back workout

BB Bent over rows

135x14
175x12
195x10
215x7
235x6
235x5

Drop set
195x6
175x6
155x8
135x10

Wide Grip Pull ups

BWx20
20x10
30x8
40x6
50x4

BB rows supered with shrugs

50x12 180x10
75x10 180x10
100x8 230x8
125x8 230x8
135x6 250x6 began losing grip on shrugs because a deep cut on my hand began to open.
 
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Breakfast this morning was over a cup of vanilla greek yogurt. About 12oz whole milk. 3 eggs cooked in the fat of 3 slices of bacon. I ate the bacon as well. Last night was a birthday dinner for in law. Ate at Joellas Hot Chicken, which was okay. 3 large fried tenders, dipped in a honey sauce, parm garlic fries, with coleslaw. Drink was sugar cane soda. Large bowl of ice cream afterward. Ate a ketogenic meal for lunch after 2pm. Body is in ketosis. Being able to consume carbohydrates when I need/want, and be able to quickly switch to burning fat. Goes against what many were taught, and believe.
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Chest today. Focused mainly on flat bench, as that has been the best chest builder for me since I have started lifting. Pyramided up in weight. Controlled reps. No chest bounce. Did 4 sets of upper chest DB press, and 3 sets of cable flies. BB upper chest press aches shoulders too much. Was a good lift!
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Nothing to do with Vector, but decided to smoke a Boston Butt today for some pulled pork!

As for a Vector update:

No noticeable appetite increase.
No noticeable libido increase
Endurance in the gym is great
Recovery seems normal.
Weight this morning in just my briefs, before breakfast, after the restroom, was 172.8. Don't usually get to weigh in those pristine circumstances as I don't have a scale in my apartment. I dont seem to be responding too crazy to Vector, which isn't too surprising to me. Have always been a hard gainer, and don't respond to very many supplements too well, save Cissus, creatine mono, cod liver oil.

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If you are not gaining weight, are you planning on raising your calories? I found that I needed to add an extra meal just to maintain let alone gain.
 
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If anything, I would add calories to one, or all of my three meals. I limit myself to eating only 3 meals a day, no snacking, or in between meals to limit BS fluctuations, and limit release of insulin. Since may I have gone from around 150 to 172.8 with not too much fat gain. I may be at a stall. Well, I am at a stall. I would think that over 3000 calories a day would be sufficient for my LBM.
 
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Let me just give a quick shout out to Cod Liver Oil, I use the one in the bottle from Vitamin Shoppe. I had taken it for a few months, then had a period of a couple months where I didnt take it because of work schedule, didnt want to drive to vitamin shoppe after work, or day off. So I ended up picking up a bottle last week. Since taking it for about a week, I know it has increased my testosterone. My libido, and spontaneous morning erections (TMI) have increases just with the change of adding cod liver oil back into my diet. I feel better overall, and have more energy. I really recommend everyone use a good fresh Cod liver oil source, if you dont already; at least the non gear users.
 

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Let me just give a quick shout out to Cod Liver Oil, I use the one in the bottle from Vitamin Shoppe. I had taken it for a few months, then had a period of a couple months where I didnt take it because of work schedule, didnt want to drive to vitamin shoppe after work, or day off. So I ended up picking up a bottle last week. Since taking it for about a week, I know it has increased my testosterone. My libido, and spontaneous morning erections (TMI) have increases just with the change of adding cod liver oil back into my diet. I feel better overall, and have more energy. I really recommend everyone use a good fresh Cod liver oil source, if you dont already; at least the non gear users.
How much and when do u like to dose?
 
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How much and when do u like to dose?
I dose 1ml upon waking, and 1ml before bed. Good for joints too. 30 dollars at vitamin shoppe for 90 servings. For price and quality point, think it's the best one I've found.
 

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I dose 1ml upon waking, and 1ml before bed. Good for joints too. 30 dollars at vitamin shoppe for 90 servings. For price and quality point, think it's the best one I've found.
What brand if you don't mind me asking?
 
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What brand if you don't mind me asking?
It is the Vitamin Shoppe brand. Can get it directly from their store, or order online. Just make sure you get cod liver oil in the bottle rather than the caps. Refrigerate after opening.
 
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Weight is about 175 this morning pre breakfast, and post using restroom.
 
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Nice log .. just went over previous pages.

Ive never tried cod liver but hear its pretty rich in vitA and D and like you said very affordable from VS ..might give it a shot in future, i do need to add in epa/dha been a while.
 
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Nice log .. just went over previous pages.

Ive never tried cod liver but hear its pretty rich in vitA and D and like you said very affordable from VS ..might give it a shot in future, i do need to add in epa/dha been a while.
I've taken it, and been off of it, and I know I feel better on it. Just make sure to get one that doesnt have anything added to. So.e add extra D and A, and that's a no no because it is synthetic.
 
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Good abbreviated chest workout this morning.

Flat Bench: controlled reps/no bounce
145x14
165x10
185x10
205x7
205x6
205x5
205x4

Incline DB press, supersetted with kneeling cable crossovers

4 sets of each.

Had to go home due to wife possibly in labor. Doing a home birth. Second child. Second home birth.
 
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1lb tbone consumed for brunch :)
 
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Good abbreviated chest workout this morning.

Flat Bench: controlled reps/no bounce
145x14
165x10
185x10
205x7
205x6
205x5
205x4

Incline DB press, supersetted with kneeling cable crossovers

4 sets of each.

Had to go home due to wife possibly in labor. Doing a home birth. Second child. Second home birth.
She in labor or false alarm?
 
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Great leg workout today, focus mainly on standard BB squats.

135x14
165x12
185x10
205x10
225x10
245x7
265x5 Highest I have gone in a long while. Happy because I want to push that upward.

Leg extensions
Two leg
90x14
110x12
150x10
170x10
210x9
210x8
210x7

1 leg leg extensions
70x10
70x10
70x9

4 sets of calf raises supersetted with seated leg curls.

I look fuller, and leaner. Eventually going to get body measurements again, without gym pump.
 
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Happy to include liver tablets into my list of staples. Nitrogen balance should be more positive promoting more protein synthesis, which puts me in a higher anabolic state naturally. Also has a ton of various nutrients :).
 
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For those who wonder why I am not upping calories weekly.

One does not need to do that if they are consuming sufficient calories already. What builds muscle is ripping your muscle fibers, combined with a positive nitrogen balance; an anabolic combination for protein synthesis.

I personally am storing more fat than I have in the past. That means I have a ton of reserve calories stored in me if I were to not meet a calory requirement for the day. I am very slowly losing fat while maintaining weight/slight increase of weight over time. This means I am consuming enough calories to build muscle, and I know I am consuming enough protein to build muscle. I eat 3 meals a day, and get about 1g of protein per lb of body weight split between 3 meals. Having a large protein content per meal means greater protein synthesis.

To sum up, I do not need to consume 4000, or more calories to get extra muscle. I would get extra fat.
 
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So Elizabeth Grace was born Thursday 8:26am 10lb 4oz, 22 inches. Boy were my legs, triceps, and biceps so sore yesterday from the previous workouts, lack of sleep, and storm system that moved in. Thankfully, not as sore today, but still have DOMS none the less. Perfect for growth.
 
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So Elizabeth Grace was born Thursday 8:26am 10lb 4oz, 22 inches. Boy were my legs, triceps, and biceps so sore yesterday from the previous workouts, lack of sleep, and storm system that moved in. Thankfully, not as sore today, but still have DOMS none the less. Perfect for growth.
Congrats man! How did the home birth go?
 
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Congrats man! How did the home birth go?
Pretty good. Smooth. Water broke at like 4:45, and baby was out at 8:26. That was the easy part. Other child, toddler wants more attention now that baby is here, so a lot of work, but it's worth it. Time goes by fast.
 
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So Elizabeth Grace was born Thursday 8:26am 10lb 4oz, 22 inches. Boy were my legs, triceps, and biceps so sore yesterday from the previous workouts, lack of sleep, and storm system that moved in. Thankfully, not as sore today, but still have DOMS none the less. Perfect for growth.
congratulations!
 
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So Elizabeth Grace was born Thursday 8:26am 10lb 4oz, 22 inches. Boy were my legs, triceps, and biceps so sore yesterday from the previous workouts, lack of sleep, and storm system that moved in. Thankfully, not as sore today, but still have DOMS none the less. Perfect for growth.
That's wonderful! Congrats!
 
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Finally getting around to give my opinion on this product. Forgive the lack of measurements I am supposed to have copied. The individual who first did my measurements, the gym owner, has not been at the gym the same time I have been, and when I do see him, he is always running out. I will still try to get final measurements, and post here.

Weight after finishing Vector: Between 170 and 175. Depends on how much glycogen stored. So weight overall did not really improve much.

BF% waist line decreased over time, meaning BF dropped while maintaining weight. I did stop DAA, due to increased prolactin I was experiencing, and increased prolactin means fat gain. So I cannot attribute the fat loss entirely to Vector

Gym endurance: Endurance in the gym was slightly improved. I could go with a greater intensity longer, but not substantially greater than not being on Vector.

Appetite: some said Vector improved their appetite. I did not have an improved appetite on Vector.

Muscle fullness: there was a slight increase of muscle fullness throughout the day.

Strength gains: not training for strength at the moment, so I cannot say one way or another.

Some claimed deep REM: First few days I had vivid dreams, and deeper sleep. That stopped after the first few days.

Overall, for the price of Vector, it is not worth to supplement with, or as a staple, especially with someone that has my budget. I am not saying the company behind it is inflating the price of the product; maybe it is expensive for the ingredients. That said, I would not purchase again, as the cost to me did not outweigh the benefits of the product. More food, more creatine, more cod liver oil, more liver tablets would personally suit me better in my goals of hypertrophy.
 

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based on what I can see in the photos. your frames genetic peak limit is probably 178 pounds lean. so gaining mass is going to be very difficult you will get diminished returns as you get closer to peak. Assuming myostatin inhibitors work you may benefit. I too am 5,10 similar frame My goal is to be at your weight and stay that weight nothing more. 170 lean muscle is fantastic at 5,10
 
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Overall, for the price of Vector, it is not worth to supplement with, or as a staple, especially with someone that has my budget. I am not saying the company behind it is inflating the price of the product; maybe it is expensive for the ingredients. That said, I would not purchase again, as the cost to me did not outweigh the benefits of the product. More food, more creatine, more cod liver oil, more liver tablets would personally suit me better in my goals of hypertrophy.
Good overall honest review. I think Vector treats some differently than others depending on age, length of run, starting point, diet, workouts etc.. So the magnitude of benefits will vary.
 
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Good overall honest review. I think Vector treats some differently than others depending on age, length of run, starting point, diet, workouts etc.. So the magnitude of benefits will vary.
After using Vector again since then, with a less than optimal diet, my lifts have been going up, and have retained lean mass on days I could not get enough protein.
 
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based on what I can see in the photos. your frames genetic peak limit is probably 178 pounds lean. so gaining mass is going to be very difficult you will get diminished returns as you get closer to peak. Assuming myostatin inhibitors work you may benefit. I too am 5,10 similar frame My goal is to be at your weight and stay that weight nothing more. 170 lean muscle is fantastic at 5,10
I would be happy around 180 and lean.
 
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After using Vector again since then, with a less than optimal diet, my lifts have been going up, and have retained lean mass on days I could not get enough protein.
Awesome! Vector treats me well so I'm a fan and believe it's worth it.
 
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Vector works well for me. Especially for when I bulk.
 
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