Vaccine, anyone?

[shanewilliams]

Changing adjectives is one thing, particularly relating to slang an casual use, changing actual important terms referring to systems of economics and government is a different beast entirely I’d say.

There is no pure capitalist or socialist or communist system. We have had socialist programs like SS and welfare for decades. Those are good things and necessary but the more burden you put on taxpayers to support other citizens - the lower the production rate per capita which shifts the system. The lockdowns have literally destroyed families who owned small businesses. They close small businesses but allow the billionaire chains to continue to operate? Using arbitrary “science” based metrics?

 

[shanewilliams]

For what kind of surgery do people from Norway and Denmark go to NYC?
[/QUOTE

Neurosurgery - mostly tumors or brain Cancer. Anyone with money comes here for treatment. And they do not have the equivalent card in the Nordic countries.

 

[KvanH]

(I can't quote you so that your post would be seen)

I live in Scandinavia and have never heard of a such phenomenon.

But sure there are specialist of different fields around the world and if you have top of the food chain neurosurgeon specialists in the NYC, then cool The healthcare system overall in here is one of the best in the world though (I believe).

 

[shanewilliams]

(I can't quote you so that you're post would be seen)

I live in Scandinavia and have never heard of a such phenomenon.

But sure there are specialist of different fields around the world and if you have top of the food chain neurosurgeon specialists in the NYC, then cool The healthcare system overall in here is one the best in the world though.

It all depends on the metrics you are using? What country are you in? Is it free Care for all citizens? How high are your taxes? When you provide care for all citizens through taxation the quality is compromised. Moreso in a larger country than in a country with under 10 million. The best surgeons are here because the money is here obviously. But yes you can have a high quality healthcare system in a smaller country but to do that here is nearly impossible.

 

[thebigt]

Changing adjectives is one thing, particularly relating to slang an casual use, changing actual important terms referring to systems of economics and government is a different beast entirely I’d say.

dang...i really missed our conversations---glad you are back!!!

 

[muscleupcrohn]

(I can't quote you so that your post would be seen)

I live in Scandinavia and have never heard of a such phenomenon.

But sure there are specialist of different fields around the world and if you have top of the food chain neurosurgeon specialists in the NYC, then cool The healthcare system overall in here is one of the best in the world though (I believe).

Yeah, what rich people do for niche cases of specialty surgery hardly defines the general treatment experience for lower or middle class people in a given county.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

For the love of all that is good, please learn how to properly quote.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

dang...i really missed our conversations---glad you are back!!!

Glad to be back! Always a good time to talk to you too.

 

[beefyfan]

My experience with the DMC (Detroit Medical Center) knowing roughtly 20 Canadian nurses and doctors who commute on a daily basis, not 1 of them accepts or uses employer coverage but rather sticks with their tax based Canadian health care. They actually scoff at our system.

 

[thebigt]

i think we can all agree that david gilmour is a great guitarist...71 years old when he performed live at pompeii and many consider his solo on comfortably numb one of the greatest guitar solos of all time...recently bought the double cd and love it!!!

unfortunately since rick wright died david said that pink floyd is done!!! the pulse version of dark side of the moon is a incredible live album, highly recommend-also included is a live version of comfortably numb, but i prefer the pompeii version.

and all you touch and all you see
is all your life will ever be....breathe, breathe in the air

 

[KvanH]

The difference in amount of citizens between our countries is enormous, so definitely creates different enviroment for many things. I don't have and won't pretend to have enough expertise to say if it's possible to achieve there what we have here. For us it works (allways room for improvement of course as with anything).

We have the 'free' health care meaning it's mostly tax money paid, but you pay some small fees if you use the service. We also have private health care companies. They are usually used by other companies providing basic health care for their employees and used by insurence companies. But if anything more 'special' would have to be done, the companies contracts with the health care stations won't cover it. Sure you can use these private health care companies from your own pocket, if you got the €.

This could get pretty leghty trying to explain all the ins and outs, but in general and as a whole I think we have a pretty good system. I've been lucky to have been able to enjoy my employers contracts with the private health care companies though. I could not afford them my own. And anything that a not specialised dr. can't do/check with out some heavier equipment have been done in the public hospitals. Like x-rays, wound stiching and a heart surgery operation done when I was a kid.

I've also completed a Bachelors degree in a University of Applied Sciences. The colleges are free and I would not have the money to pay any college fees if they weren't. We apply by completing a test to get in. You get in if you are 'smart' and thus likely to graduate and able to work in the field you graduate on. Not cause' you're daddy has €€.

We pay a lot of taxes, but I don't mind since most of it is going to very important use (again room for improvement here too of course). One of the biggest factors the taxes has is general safety. No one is going to try to rob you, if they are not lacking on stuff they need to stay alive, like food. For example.

But I'm no economist and am not saying how things should be done elsewhere.

 

[Renew1]

The amount of citizens between our countries is enormous, so definitely creates different enviroment for many things. I don't have and won't pretend to have enough expertise to say if it's possible to achieve there what we have here. For us it works (allways room for improvement of course as with anything).

We have the 'free' health care meaning it's mostly tax money paid, but you pay some small fees if you use the service. We also have private health care companies. They are usually used by other companies providing basic health care for their employees and used by insurence companies. But if anything more 'special' would have to be done, the companies contracts with the health care stations won't cover it. Sure you can use these private health care companies from your own pocket, if you got the €.

This could get pretty leghty trying to explain all the ins and outs, but in general and as a whole I think we have a pretty good system. I've been lucky to have been able to enjoy my employers contracts with the private health care companies though. I could not afford them my own. And anything that a not specialised dr. can't do/check with out some heavier equipment have been done in the public hospitals. Like x-rays, wound stiching and a heart surgery operation done when I was a kid.

I've also completed a Bachelors degree in a University of Applied Sciences. The colleges are free and I would not have the money to pay any college fees if they weren't. We apply by completing a test to get in. You get in if you are 'smart' and thus likely to graduate and able to work in the field you graduate on. Not cause' you're daddy has €€.

We pay a lot of taxes, but I don't mind since most of it is going tovery important use (again room for improvement here too of course). One of the biggest factors the taxes has is general safety. No one is going to try to rob you, if they are not lacking on stuff they need to stay alive, like food. For example.

But I'm no economist and am not saying how things should be done elsewhere.

Oh my....
Brother, you've definitely got the wrong idea about human nature (how I wish you were right!).

Some will rob you because they are in desperate need.
But the majority of crimes are committed out of greed, selfishness, and malice.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

The amount of citizens between our countries is enormous, so definitely creates different enviroment for many things. I don't have and won't pretend to have enough expertise to say if it's possible to achieve there what we have here. For us it works (allways room for improvement of course as with anything).

We have the 'free' health care meaning it's mostly tax money paid, but you pay some small fees if you use the service. We also have private health care companies. They are usually used by other companies providing basic health care for their employees and used by insurence companies. But if anything more 'special' would have to be done, the companies contracts with the health care stations won't cover it. Sure you can use these private health care companies from your own pocket, if you got the €.

This could get pretty leghty trying to explain all the ins and outs, but in general and as whole I think we have a pretty good system. I've been lucky to have been able to enjoy my employers contracts with the private health care companies though. I could not afford them my own. And anything that a not specialised dr. can't do/check with out some heavier equipment have been done in the public hospitals. Like x-rays, wound stiching and a heart surgery operation done when I was a kid.

I've also completed a Bachelors degree in a University of Applied Sciences. The colleges are free and I would not have the money to pay any college fees if they weren't. We apply by completing a test to get in. You get in if you are 'smart' and thus likely to graduate and able to work in the field you graduate on. Not cause' you're daddy has €€.

We pay a lot of taxes, but I don't mind since most of it is going tovery important use (again room for improvement here too of course). One of the biggest factors the taxes has is general safety. No one is going to try to rob you, if they are not lacking on stuff they need to stay alive, like food. For example.

But I'm no economist and am not saying how things should be done elsewhere.

Typically you can have more social programs and spending when you have more controlled/stricter immigration. If you only let in people likely to be “productive” and put into the system unless they suffer an injury or accident or something, then you can afford higher taxes and more social programs and still have happy people. Or you can have more open immigration and less social spending and programs. Like America was with Ellis Island several decades ago and so many people coming into the country so long as they weren’t criminals or sick, and if they got sick or hurt, their family or friends had to help them or they were kind of screwed. You can shift one way or the other, but having unlimited immigration to anyone AND massive social programs is generally not sustainable. The problem with many people on the left in the US is that they want massive social spending AND nearly unlimited immigration, which I don’t think is sustainable.

But I’m a liberal for saying that, right other guy who doesn’t know how to properly quote people?

 

[KvanH]

Oh my....
Brother, you've definitely got the wrong idea about human nature (how I wish you were wrong!).

Some will rob you because they are in desperate need.
But the majority of crimes are committed out of greed, selfishness, and malice.

Well you are right, sure. It was a bit blunt statement. But I'd still say many of the crimes in the world are done in need of something. I think you can see this in the poorer countries/areas/ghettos/what ever.

I might have also grown a bias to this idea, and in reality we are just so civil down here that crime is relatively low

 

[KvanH]

Typically you can have more social programs and spending when you have more controlled/stricter immigration. If you only let in people likely to be “productive” and put into the system unless they suffer an injury or accident or something, then you can afford higher taxes and more social programs and still have happy people. Or you can have more open immigration and less social spending and programs. Like America was with Ellis Island several decades ago and so many people coming into the country so long as they weren’t criminals or sick, and if they got sick or hurt, their family or friends had to help them or they were kind of screwed. You can shift one way or the other, but having unlimited immigration to anyone AND massive social programs is generally not sustainable. The problem with many people on the left in the US is that they want massive social spending AND nearly unlimited immigration, which I don’t think is sustainable.

But I’m a liberal for saying that, right other guy who doesn’t know how to properly quote people?

You might be on to something there. It's so cold and dark here that no one want's to come here, lol.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Oh my....
Brother, you've definitely got the wrong idea about human nature (how I wish you were right!).

Some will rob you because they are in desperate need.
But the majority of crimes are committed out of greed, selfishness, and malice.

I will not deny that many people SUCK, but in general, improved living conditions and improved education so tend to help reduce crime. Not eliminate it though, I am not that naive. And also the laws have to have enough weight behind them to actually prohibit the crimes. If the penalty for robbing a bank is a weekend of community service, people will rob banks until they succeed. The fear of getting caught and the penalty for it has to be a sufficient deterrent to outweigh the perceived “rewards” of the crime for it to be effective at preventing the crime from occurring.

 

[Renew1]

Well you are right, sure. It was a bit blunt statement. But I'd still say many of the crimes in the world are done in need of something. I think you can see this in the poorer countries/areas/ghettos/what ever.

I might have also grown a bias to this idea, and in reality we are just so civil down here that crime is relatively low

That's awesome, man.

Yeah, I've been around some really rough characters.

Usually, there isn't a point of negotiation with them.
You couldn't offer them food, or even money (because they are out to Take it from you anyway).
The only way to interrupt their evil intentions is to escape from their vicinity, or do them physical harm.

Life sucks sometimes, brother.

... But not always.

 

[KvanH]

That's awesome, man.

Yeah, I've been around some really rough characters.

Usually, there isn't a point of negotiation with them.
You couldn't offer them food, or even money (because they are out to Take it from you anyway).
The only way to interrupt their evil intentions is to escape from their vicinity, or do them physical harm.

Life sucks sometimes, brother.

... But not always.

Yes, I've definitely had my share of experienced and close witnessed violence. Completely due to other reasons though than what we are talking here.

I hope both our lifes will include less of the sucking bro and more of the.. Not sucking = )

Edit: One type of sucking is welcome tho

 

[KvanH]

i think we can all agree that david gilmour is a great guitarist...71 years old when he performed live at pompeii and many consider his solo on comfortably numb one of the greatest guitar solos of all time...recently bought the double cd and love it!!!

unfortunately since rick wright died david said that pink floyd is done!!! the pulse version of dark side of the moon is a incredible live album, highly recommend-also included is a live version of comfortably numb, but i prefer the pompeii version.

and all you touch and all you see
is all your life will ever be....breathe, breathe in the air

How do you like the High hopes? It's almost psychedelic to listen to.

 

[thebigt]

How do you like the High hopes? It's almost psychedelic to listen to.

one of the better songs written by david and his wife polly samson....check out david and pollys latest-'yes i have ghosts'...even today davids voice holds up.


oh yeah, one of my favorites off david gilmour live at pompeii is THE BLUE-you should check it out, really captures the soul, and as usual davids solo is mind blowing. you don't listen to david gilmour's guitar you experience it.

 

[bcruder]

This is not to argue with anyone but to state personal experience.

I HAVE people that I care about, most notably a wife with a history of both pneumonia and asthma. If she is exposed to Covid 19, she is likely to be infected and between those conditions and her age, it would quite possibly be fatal.

She can no longer shop or make most public contacts because we live in a western state (Colorado). There are too many people that consider themselves too important to wear a mask even when an organization (such as Wal-Mart) requires it. They pull the mask down over their chins, making it useless, apparently to prove their importance. To hell with anyone that they or anyone else might care about.

In February, our county still has rather a lot of Trump banners left over from November. People actually believe that he would become president after enough dead legislators. Apparently, it is a political statement to believe a year's worth of lies and to ignore almost half a million deaths. Setting that aside, I do every bit of shopping and other public contacts for my family and do always wear a mask.

We will both get our first vaccine dose in two days from Kaiser. We also get flu vaccine every year plus whatever else is recommended for our age. All that is because we do not consider ourselves "smarter" than the science.

Kaiser is interesting. We signed up at one price and they pay for almost everything. We each get the phsyician of our choice, get to visit specialists whenever we ask, get our prescribed drugs at no cost and get both lab and medical procedures at greatly discounted prices.

It is almost like living in Canada under "socialized" medicine. That is the kind that violates the red-necks "constitutional rights". Knowing that makes it even better.

 

[sammpedd88]

the question is a bit like asking whether you prefer pizza or ice cream - both great but depends on what your in the mood for really.

gun to my head I’m defo going with the ass though. Just something about some nice firm ass cheeks hiding a little puckered butthole waiting for a good tongue punching.

My man!! Nothing like tongue punch a fart box!

 

[beefyfan]

This is not to argue with anyone but to state personal experience.

I HAVE people that I care about, most notably a wife with a history of both pneumonia and asthma. If she is exposed to Covid 19, she is likely to be infected and between those conditions and her age, it would quite possibly be fatal.

She can no longer shop or make most public contacts because we live in a western state (Colorado). There are too many people that consider themselves too important to wear a mask even when an organization (such as Wal-Mart) requires it. They pull the mask down over their chins, making it useless, apparently to prove their importance. To hell with anyone that they or anyone else might care about.

In February, our county still has rather a lot of Trump banners left over from November. People actually believe that he would become president after enough dead legislators. Apparently, it is a political statement to believe a year's worth of lies and to ignore almost half a million deaths. Setting that aside, I do every bit of shopping and other public contacts for my family and do always wear a mask.

We will both get our first vaccine dose in two days from Kaiser. We also get flu vaccine every year plus whatever else is recommended for our age. All that is because we do not consider ourselves "smarter" than the science.

Kaiser is interesting. We signed up at one price and they pay for almost everything. We each get the phsyician of our choice, get to visit specialists whenever we ask, get our prescribed drugs at no cost and get both lab and medical procedures at greatly discounted prices.

It is almost like living in Canada under "socialized" medicine. That is the kind that violates the red-necks "constitutional rights". Knowing that makes it even better.

Great post. Half of this country is disappointing as all hell to me. Traditional conservatives, while not my cup of tea are entitled to their beliefs, etc, etc. But this lack of caring about your fellow citizens is sad if not disgusting. Thank God the adults are back in charge and at the rate of 1.3 million folks being vaccinated per day and hopefully increasing we could see herd immunity by the end of summer. Stay healthy and well.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Great post. Half of this country is disappointing as all hell to me. Traditional conservatives, while not my cup of tea are entitled to their beliefs, etc, etc. But this lack of caring about your fellow citizens is sad if not disgusting. Thank God the adults are back in charge and at the rate of 1.3 million folks being vaccinated per day and hopefully increasing we could see herd immunity by the end of summer. Stay healthy and well.

I mean, I find it incredibly ironic when people who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, to put others before themselves, can't be bothered to wear a mask if it has ANY chance to help their fellow people. Or when self-proclaimed patriots say they'll do anything for their country, but can't be bothered to wear a mask to help try to reduce the deaths of their fellow countrymen, to lessen the burden of the pandemic on the country, and to help try to get the country back to normal faster and stronger.

 

[THOR 70]

Great post. Half of this country is disappointing as all hell to me. Traditional conservatives, while not my cup of tea are entitled to their beliefs, etc, etc. But this lack of caring about your fellow citizens is sad if not disgusting. Thank God the adults are back in charge and at the rate of 1.3 million folks being vaccinated per day and hopefully increasing we could see herd immunity by the end of summer. Stay healthy and well.

You both have fallen for the trap of a fear based/politicized virus. Shame on you.

Enjoy your fear mongering, virtue signaling/mask wearing, and throwing away your freedoms.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

You both have fallen for the trap of a fear based/politicized virus. Shame on you.

Enjoy your fear mongering, virtue signaling/mask wearing, and throwing away your freedoms.

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear a mask though. If it means more places open up sooner, and it can save any lives and get things back to normal sooner, what is the harm? Are you in such bad shape that you get out of breath when you wear a mask while grocery shopping? You are a selfish “patriot” who cares exponentially more about your deluded sense of “freedom” than you do about your country. Shame on you. But you know what, shame on me most of all for even wasting my time going back and forth with you when you’ve shown ad nauseam that you’re out of your mind and incapable of reason. And it is impossible to use reason to dissuade someone of a position they didn’t use reason to arrive at in the first place.

 

[THOR 70]

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t wear a mask though. If it means more places open up sooner, and it can save any lives and get things back to normal sooner, what is the harm? Are you in such bad shape that you get out of breath when you wear a mask while grocery shopping? You are a selfish “patriot” who cares exponentially more about your deluded sense of “freedom” than you do about your country. Shame on you. But you know what, shame on me most of all for even wasting my time going back and forth with you when you’ve shown ad nauseam that you’re out of your mind and incapable of reason. And it is impossible to use reason to dissuade someone of a position they didn’t use reason to arrive at in the first place.

Yes, it really does make you look stupid when you keep engaging with with someone who you label as incapable of reason. I was wondering how long it would take you to figure that one out : )

Oh and I don’t think masks save lives by reducing infections. In fact, I think they do the opposite. CDC data supports this reasoning:

#triggeringintensifies

 

[thebigt]

This is not to argue with anyone but to state personal experience.

I HAVE people that I care about, most notably a wife with a history of both pneumonia and asthma. If she is exposed to Covid 19, she is likely to be infected and between those conditions and her age, it would quite possibly be fatal.

She can no longer shop or make most public contacts because we live in a western state (Colorado). There are too many people that consider themselves too important to wear a mask even when an organization (such as Wal-Mart) requires it. They pull the mask down over their chins, making it useless, apparently to prove their importance. To hell with anyone that they or anyone else might care about.

In February, our county still has rather a lot of Trump banners left over from November. People actually believe that he would become president after enough dead legislators. Apparently, it is a political statement to believe a year's worth of lies and to ignore almost half a million deaths. Setting that aside, I do every bit of shopping and other public contacts for my family and do always wear a mask.

We will both get our first vaccine dose in two days from Kaiser. We also get flu vaccine every year plus whatever else is recommended for our age. All that is because we do not consider ourselves "smarter" than the science.

Kaiser is interesting. We signed up at one price and they pay for almost everything. We each get the phsyician of our choice, get to visit specialists whenever we ask, get our prescribed drugs at no cost and get both lab and medical procedures at greatly discounted prices.

It is almost like living in Canada under "socialized" medicine. That is the kind that violates the red-necks "constitutional rights". Knowing that makes it even better.

thanks man, i am a conservative and a trump supporter and my wife and i have both been wearing wasks since march even after dimwitted faucci said they weren't necessary. very big of you to feel so self important as to lump everyone in a group into one basket[deplorables-eh}? here where i live it's trump country [indiana] and if you go to walmart and places like this the people you see NOT wearing masks are young people who i bet voted for biden.

btw-i highly suggest you and your wife get pneumonia shots-they are good for up to 7 years!!!

and thanks for calling me a red-neck.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yes, it really does make you look stupid when you keep engaging with with someone who you label as incapable of reason. I was wondering how long it would take you to figure that one out : )

It also makes you look like you have no life to sit at home all day analyzing the statistics of an election.

Oh and I don’t think masks save lives by reducing infections. In fact, I think they do the opposite. CDC data supports this reasoning:View attachment 202264

#triggeringintensifies

You absolute troglodyte. Masks primarily prevent YOU from infecting OTHER PEOPLE if you are asymptotic or pre-symptomatic. My post made that clear. I talked about wearing a mask to help protect OTHER PEOPLE you dolt.

It’s not about protecting you, you can jump off a cliff man, it’s about caring about other people doing tiny little trivial things like wearing a mask to help not place them and their family in potential harm because of your unrestrained selfishness.

And did you really just use a hashtag on a forum?

 

[thebigt]

Great post. Half of this country is disappointing as all hell to me. Traditional conservatives, while not my cup of tea are entitled to their beliefs, etc, etc. But this lack of caring about your fellow citizens is sad if not disgusting. Thank God the adults are back in charge and at the rate of 1.3 million folks being vaccinated per day and hopefully increasing we could see herd immunity by the end of summer. Stay healthy and well.

even back in march after faucci said masks were not necessary my wife and i continued to wear masks because we had been told to wear masks in doctors offices and hospitals if you had a cough or were sneezing so it only made sense to us to wear masks to prevent spread of covid regardless what faucci said. speaking of adults when i go to walmart and similar places it is the young people, the vast majority of voted for liberal biden and not conservative trump who are NOT wearing masks---but i am not as arrogant as you seem to be to condemn all young people because of this...

biden promised unity and healing, your post promotes neither, my friend.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

even back in march after faucci said masks were not necessary my wife and i continued to wear masks because we had been told to wear masks in doctors offices and hospitals if you had a cough or were sneezing so it only made sense to us to wear masks to prevent spread of covid regardless what faucci said. speaking of adults when i go to walmart and similar places it is the young people, the vast majority of voted for liberal biden and not conservative trump who are NOT wearing masks---but i am not as arrogant as you seem to be to condemn all young people because of this...

biden promised unity and healing, your post promotes neither, my friend.

I thank you for wearing a mask my friend. Crazy to see someone ITT be so against them and claim they INCREASE the spread of the virus based on an out of context and misleading snippet from a small observational study.

 

[thebigt]

I thank you for wearing a mask my friend. Crazy to see someone ITT be so against them and claim they INCREASE the spread of the virus based on an out of context and misleading snippet from a small observational study.

no problem...it only makes sense to wear masks to prevent covid since masks have been in doctors offices and hospitals to prevent spread of colds and flu-which is a virus for well over a decade...

it really pisses me off when ALL conservatives get thrown into hillarys 'basket of deplorables'...anyone who does this is the real deplorable, imo.

i know a lot of liberals in my 'real' life who i disagree with whole-heartedly about politics but i would never condemn them as bad people because of our political disagreements. there are good and bad on both sides!!!

 

[shanewilliams]

What SCIENCE shows that wearing a mask works? Fauci, along with every other moron who has been saying they do - should be arrested for crimes against humanity. A mask is nothing more than a Petri dish for bacteria. More than half of the deaths caused by the Spanish flu were due to bacterial pneumonia and not the flu virus. Many in the medical community believed that the gauze masks may have been the culprit but there is no evidence either way. I can’t believe people believe masks work. Most people are wearing surgical masks which DO NOT change the viral load consistency in the area right next to the person wearing it. Have you seen any studies that determine the viral load consistency that passes through different masks? Or do you just see videos that show how droplets are stopped by the mask. It’s like putting a chain link fence around your house to keep mosquitos out.

 

[THOR 70]

You absolute troglodyte.s primarily prevent YOU from infecting OTHER PEOPLE if you are asymptotic or pre-symptomatic. My post made that clear. I talked about wearing a mask to help protect OTHER PEOPLE you dolt.
It’s not about protecting you, you can jump off a cliff man, it’s about caring about other people doing tiny little trivial things like wearing a mask to help not place them and their family in potential ham because of your unrestrained selfishness.

And did you really just use a hashtag on a forum?

Naw, it’s blatantly clear from the data that only super old/comorbid people should take precautions, just like they always should have for pneumonia, flu, etc. Guess what, if they do that, then everyone else should be business as usual.

Instead, submissive men like you preach about saving lives with a thin cloth while the psychological impact of isolation/mask wearing slowly tear our country apart. Let me guess you think kids should e wearing masks and getting an additional vaccine? Wait until this generation of kids growing up is adults. They will be the most submissive/fearful generation this country has ever seen. It actually blows my mind how many adults just fell in line without questioning. That scared me more than the virus. I guess when people like you virtu signaling and guilt tripping people to do illogical things.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Naw, it’s blatantly clear from the data that only super old/comorbid people should take precautions, just like they always should have for pneumonia, flu, etc. Guess what, if they do that, then everyone else should be business as usual.

Instead, submissive men like you preach about saving lives with a thin cloth while the psychological impact of isolation/mask wearing slowly tear our country apart. Let me guess you think kids should e wearing masks and getting an additional vaccine? Wait until this generation of kids growing up is adults. They will be the most submissive/fearful generation this country has ever seen. It actually blows my mind how many adults just fell in line without questioning. That scared me more than the virus. I guess when people like you virtu signaling and guilt tripping people to do illogical things.

Psychological impact of wearing a mask? If I’m submissive for wearing a mask, you’re a downright pansy for being negatively psychologically impacted by wearing a mask. And every generation belittles the one(s) after them. You sound like an old man yelling at clouds.

 

[shanewilliams]

Naw, it’s blatantly clear from the data that only super old/comorbid people should take precautions, just like they always should have for pneumonia, flu, etc. Guess what, if they do that, then everyone else should be business as usual.

Instead, submissive men like you preach about saving lives with a thin cloth while the psychological impact of isolation/mask wearing slowly tear our country apart. Let me guess you think kids should e wearing masks and getting an additional vaccine? Wait until this generation of kids growing up is adults. They will be the most submissive/fearful generation this country has ever seen. It actually blows my mind how many adults just fell in line without questioning. That scared me more than the virus. I guess when people like you virtu signaling and guilt tripping people to do illogical things.

Its sad to see how pathetic and submissive we have become as a nation.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Its sad to see how pathetic and submissive we have become as a nation.

It’s sad to see how many people in the nation think they’re big, strong, independent men for not wearing a mask. As if that epitomizes masculinity and bravery. As the great Bill Burr said to Joe Rogan, “oh god, you’re so tough with your f**king open nose and throat... This is a man right here. A man doesn’t wear a mask.”

 

[THOR 70]

Psychological impact of wearing a mask? If I’m submissive for wearing a mask, you’re a downright pansy for being negatively psychologically impacted by wearing a mask. And every generation belittles the one(s) after them. You sound like an old man yelling at clouds.

I rarely wear a mask and am free thinking enough to understand it’s impact for less aware/strong minds. I’m worried about my fellow man...not myself.

 

[shanewilliams]

It’s sad to see how many people in the nation think they’re big, strong, independent men for not wearing a mask. As if that epitomizes masculinity and bravery. As the great Bill Burr said to Joe Rogan, “oh god, you’re so tough with your f**king open nose and throat... This is a man right here. A man doesn’t wear a mask.”

Bottom line they DONT WORK,

 

[THOR 70]

It’s sad to see how many people in the nation think they’re big, strong, independent men for not wearing a mask. As if that epitomizes masculinity and bravery. As the great Bill Burr said to Joe Rogan, “oh god, you’re so tough with your f**king open nose and throat... This is a man right here. A man doesn’t wear a mask.”

You’ve lost it with this one haha. Cmon, keep it cool and collected like usual.

No, its just logical to not wear one. If anything, in a small way it helps people that don’t want to wear a mask know they aren’t alone. That they can actually stand for what they believe instead of being submissive against their own logic.

 

[shanewilliams]

You’ve lost it with this one haha. Cmon, keep it cool and collected like usual.

No, its just logical to not wear one. If anything, in a small way it helps people that don’t want to wear a mask know they aren’t alone. That they can actually stand for what they believe instead of being submissive against their own logic.

I wear a mask because my TV told me I should. I now wear 2 masks because Fauci said “it makes sense”. I imagine masks will soon be a status symbol. 3 masks is the ultimate virtue signal. N95 close to the face covered with the surgical mask and the outer shell is a cloth bandana.

 

[Rad83]

The filthy rich are getting richer off these stupid masks....Anyone wanna venture a guess how much ‘the project rock’ mask is going for?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

The filthy rich are getting richer off these stupid masks....Anyone wanna venture a guess how much ‘the project rock’ mask is going for?

Is The Rock selling masks really the biggest, most ridiculous example of this? It's capitalism man. What about the Penguins NHL team, owned by a BILLIONAIRE owner who just bought the infamous Neverland Ranch for $20 MILLION, getting nearly $5 MILLION in pandemic loans while small businesses struggle to stay open, if they can stay open at all. You can argue if/when/how businesses should be allowed to reopen, but IF businesses are closed/limited, I think the government (who is the one closing businesses) should be helping small businesses, not billionaire owned mega companies. After all, all government money is actually taxpayer money, and should be used primarily to help taxpayers.

 

[thebigt]

i just read a story that said the biden admin had reinstated obamas catch and release program...up until feb 5 they were releasing untested illegal immigrants to board buses to destinations across the US...

btw-the US has agreement with 10 countries that immigrants being returned to their host countries need to pass a covid test before being returned---how ironic-eh?

 

[KvanH]

I'm getting more informed and up to speed on the politics in the US. One of our national TV stations is showing a program named "Trump and the term of hate". The description goes as follows"

"Donald Trump created divison and generated hate in the USA through his entire presidental term. Due to Trump's intimidation tactics, the protests against the media and the nation's leaders escalated to riots and even to blood paths. In the end a group that demanded the presidental election result to be overturned, attacked the heart of the US democracy, the kongress building."

It's produced by American PBS. Original program name "Frontline: Trump's American carnage".

Should be a good one. Does not sound biased at all. I'm bout to get informed.

 

[thebigt]

I'm getting more informed and up to speed on the politics in the US. One of our national TV stations is showing a program named "Trump and the term of hate". The description goes as follows"

"Donald Trump created divison and generated hate in the USA through his entire presidental term. Due to Trump's intimidation tactics, the protests against the media and the nation's leaders escalated to riots and even to blood paths. In the end a group that demanded the presidental election result to be overturned, attacked the heart of the US democracy, the kongress building."

It's produced by American PBS. Original program name "Frontline: Trump's American carnage".

View attachment 202312

Should be a good one. Does not sound biased at all. I'm bout to get informed.

what they are refering to happened after the election in 2021....they make no mention of a entire year-[2020] of protests, riots and looting and the destruction that was caused to American cities by the left-eh?

if you think pbs is unbiased you need a whole lot of informing!!!! pbs just might be left of the 'guangming daily'.

 

[Renew1]

what they are refering to happened after the election in 2021....they make no mention of a entire year-[2020] of protests, riots and looting and the destruction that was caused to American cities by the left-eh?

if you think pbs is unbiased you need a whole lot of informing!!!! pbs just might be left of the 'guangming daily'.

I think he (hopefully) already gets the drift.

 

[KvanH]

what they are refering to happened after the election in 2021....they make no mention of a entire year-[2020] of protests, riots and looting and the destruction that was caused to American cities by the left-eh?

if you think pbs is unbiased you need a whole lot of informing!!!! pbs just might be left of the 'guangming daily'.

But it's a DOCUMENTARY that's on national TV. I just want to know the clean TRUTH! With no stone left unturned.



LOL. I like trolling too much
The unbiased was a joke = ) Never heard of PBS before. Had to do some digging actually to even find out who's produced the program. It's weird they'll just show this kind of clearly a side taking program and don't give any additional info on the producers or anything. It's just 22.00 o'clock and here comes some info -> rolling.

 

[shanewilliams]

I'm getting more informed and up to speed on the politics in the US. One of our national TV stations is showing a program named "Trump and the term of hate". The description goes as follows"

"Donald Trump created divison and generated hate in the USA through his entire presidental term. Due to Trump's intimidation tactics, the protests against the media and the nation's leaders escalated to riots and even to blood paths. In the end a group that demanded the presidental election result to be overturned, attacked the heart of the US democracy, the kongress building."

It's produced by American PBS. Original program name "Frontline: Trump's American carnage".

View attachment 202312

Should be a good one. Does not sound biased at all. I'm bout to get informed.

I hope you are being sarcastic with this. The carnage has been caused by the media and power hungry democrat politicians, The violence that took place on Jan 6 was not even 1/10 of the violence we experienced all summer

 

[muscleupcrohn]

what they are refering to happened after the election in 2021....they make no mention of a entire year-[2020] of protests, riots and looting and the destruction that was caused to American cities by the left-eh?

if you think pbs is unbiased you need a whole lot of informing!!!! pbs just might be left of the 'guangming daily'.

I mean, you can look at violent riots on either side and say they’re vile and reprehensible and not need to add “well these other people did it too.” There is no excuse for either side engaging in violent riots. I guess if someone wants to make a documentary on why domestic abuse is wrong, they also need to make one saying that rape is also wrong? As if they’re not both horrible on their own, regardless of what anyone else is doing, has done, or will do.

But yeah, of course that’s is not an objective documentary, no news is objective today lol.