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USP Powerfull....full of s***?

poopypants said:
well it helps sledge is a frickin chemist and a great one at that, wish he frequented here more often:D

I agree some others side step the question but sometimes they dont have the EXACT answer or can only answer the question in the light in which they see it. Im sure Jacob is no fool, but you notice the way he addresses the question is more from a business standpoint stating the reasons why this guy was wrong cause he knows hes CYA'ing his own with his formula by putting on a nomenclature that obviously can be broke down to be something SIMILAR to whats in his product but isnt going to divulge the real thing. Then mullet steps in to help out with the more scientific study and the comparison of l-dopa to the MP extract... not everyone can be an all in one super company runner and thats why these comps have reps on many different levels. with that said Jacob and USPL's products really do speak for themselves and he has a great CS side to his comp which he is usually at the forfront of each and every question posted in regards to his supps, compare that to most comps who dont even answer possibly negative or confrontational problems with their products!
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This we can agree on. I digress with my statement, and more turned it toward just jumping on the bandwagon. The whole thing of "It's USP, so it works." You know as well as I do, it takes a devils advocate to get the whole story. ALRI comes to mind. Is it DMT, or isnt it. The company stance was, IT IS NOT DMT. Then out comes the truth.

Not really trying to stir things up, more trying to understand the product at hand.

Adams
 
DAdams91982 said:
There has only been one person that I have considered to full up front with their product when released, and that is Sledge (DS). He always answers all questions about his product, and fully defends them, like a doctor would his dissertation.

Adams
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I'd agree. I lurked for a bit before joining, and appreciated his forthwith attitude; however, I have always tried to be upfront and objective when USP is questioned.

And how do you always end up in these PowerFULL-bashing threads DA? Haha (just kidding, btw).
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I'd agree. I lurked for a bit before joining, and appreciated his forthwith attitude; however, I have always tried to be upfront and objective when USP is questioned.

And how do you always end up in these PowerFULL-bashing threads DA? Haha (just kidding, btw).
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Ha... no offense. Powerfull is a VERY intriguing product to me. The growth hormone stimulant market I think has barely been tapped. USP seems to be the only company that has any foot in the door with this type. I like the devils advocate side. :D Though it didnt work for me as I had hoped, I think powerfull could be a stepping stone in the right direction for an even stronger product. Curosity really.

And yes mullet, I did not give you your due respect earlier. You are VERY intelligent with USP products, and always willing to step in with the science. I am not try to bash any company or anyone, so I hope it is not construed that way. I do use USP products myself, and will continue to do so.

Adams
 
Yeah, I was just bugging you dude. In that thread "PowerFULL Claims" I think a lot of things were solved, and I even learned a few new things about our products - I like that climate of discussion.

I know what you are saying about certain reps, though I won't go into any specifics.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yeah, I was just bugging you dude. In that thread "PowerFULL Claims" I think a lot of things were solved, and I even learned a few new things about our products - I like that climate of discussion.

I know what you are saying about certain reps, though I won't go into any specifics.
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Although your political views are something to be desired!!! :stick: :toofunny:

Adams
 
Damn, and here I was, about a page back in this thread, thinking,"Great, now we're all fighting with EACH OTHER. Troll did his job well, the bastard."

And then you guys go and get all civil on each other. All this constructive niceness is getting out of hand, this is the internet, you jerks!:clap2:
 
DAdams91982 said:
This we can agree on. I digress with my statement, and more turned it toward just jumping on the bandwagon. The whole thing of "It's USP, so it works." You know as well as I do, it takes a devils advocate to get the whole story. ALRI comes to mind. Is it DMT, or isnt it. The company stance was, IT IS NOT DMT. Then out comes the truth.

Not really trying to stir things up, more trying to understand the product at hand.

Adams
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true the position of DA is def necessary for shining a light on things sometimes... I also agree blindly following something another says or buying something off the label claims and company created hype is foolish. But this isnt the case with tried and true supps from USPL and they have built a rep on working products so I can now take thier new releases with the assurity that they will do as they say... the day that stops though you can be sure I will no longer come to their defense.
 
While I think everyone can agree that the way in which the subject was approached was in poor taste, I think that the OP's real issue with PowerFULL is that the ingredient labeling is misleading to him.

I understand that the extraction process for PowerFULL makes it more than just l-dopa and so that it wouldn't be completely fair to simply say l-dopa in the ingredient profile, but at the same time using less common nomenclature can be misleading....like what was mentioned about with ALRI's problems with Jungle Warfare.

Not sure if there's an answer for this issue here because there are many factors involved: no labeling regulations, proprietary extraction processes, proprietary ingredient blends, and the fact that there is more than one way to name many ingredients. The fact is that people want to know what they are taking and at the same time companies need to protect their products from competitors.

I do think that whether or not the OP was actually trolling, he brought up what could've been an interesting and informative discussion. I was kind of shocked that he was met with such dissonance (from the AM community, to say the least); so much so that this escalated pretty quickly which then turned into a bunch of back patting. This could've been diffused much more quickly with fewer tangents had the AM community acted in the manner we all hold so proudly (especially when compared to other forums).

We sunk to his level on this one.
 
LakunaKoil said:
How do I Neg
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:whiner:

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("me want neg potato waaaahh")

:p


P.S It was only a joke. I know you are not the same person as magicmartin, but you fell under the same category, hence you all fall under the same branch (magicmartin aka lakunakoil aka here we go again aka .... get the point ? )
 
poopypants said:
true the position of DA is def necessary for shining a light on things sometimes... I also agree blindly following something another says or buying something off the label claims and company created hype is foolish. But this isnt the case with tried and true supps from USPL and they have built a rep on working products so I can now take thier new releases with the assurity that they will do as they say... the day that stops though you can be sure I will no longer come to their defense.
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:goodpost:

The funny thing here is, it takes ALOT of money to develop and bring a product to the market. In order for a company to gain back the money used in development, and make profit, they have to sell a significant quantity. What I like about USP is that they publicly encourage logs of their products - showing confidence in their compounds. In these situations the positive feedback would boost sales

However I'd be far more wary of companies that dont publicy engage on forums or encourage logs. Any log or discussion would bring unwanted attention to the products crappy results - thus reducing sales.
 
MashedPotato said:
Really, i thought its was more of bunch of rambling nonsense...:p
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When one sentence can be defined with the term "rambling".... there is something wrong with the world, and your house specifically. Your M.O. is more the gratuitous use of google images, rather than judgement.. isnt' it? :D
 
Ubiquitous said:
When one sentence can be defined with the term "rambling".... there is something wrong with the world, and your house specifically. Your M.O. is more the gratuitous use of google images, rather than judgement.. isnt' it? :D
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Simply put, yes.

:p

Though I must admit, I do find your posts to be lengthy and digressive from time to time.

;)
 
ReaperX said:
I only got 2 words to say:

Herd Mentality.
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Well the herd mentality is present on both forums. On bb.com people are always ready to start a thread and then pile on criticism on any company that is questioned. AM is almost the polar opposite in that regardless of how valid the criticism of a board sponsor, people will attack the thread starter and support the company. I use a couple of USP products from time and time and I believe they make some decent products, but their marketing tactics are about as obscene as anything I have ever seen.
 
whitedevil74 said:
Well the herd mentality is present on both forums. On bb.com people are always ready to start a thread and then pile on criticism on any company that is questioned. AM is almost the polar opposite in that regardless of how valid the criticism of a board sponsor, people will attack the thread starter and support the company.
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Innocent unless proven guilty would apply here
Guilty unless proven innocent applies over there. (at crybaby .com)
 
whitedevil74 said:
Well the herd mentality is present on both forums. On bb.com people are always ready to start a thread and then pile on criticism on any company that is questioned. AM is almost the polar opposite in that regardless of how valid the criticism of a board sponsor, people will attack the thread starter and support the company. I use a couple of USP products from time and time and I believe they make some decent products, but their marketing tactics are about as obscene as anything I have ever seen.
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You really do not understand the science of the copy. You are judging the entire add by the headline.

80% of advertisement success is in the headline. You may want to pass that along to the nimbus folks. Nimbus makes good products, but the add copy will sink them. This is friendly advice.

It's like a lawyer with a shiity opening arguement.
 
MashedPotato said:
Innocent unless proven guilty would apply here
Guilty unless proven innocent applies over there. (at crybaby .com)
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I would tend to agree with this statement from my experience on both forums. It seems people go out of their way each week at the other forum to find and start drama wherever possible. And if there are no threads that would lead in that direction, then certain people will take a random thread and derail it into a drama thread. :blink: This forum seems to be more supportive of the bb'ing lifestyle and individuals goals, whereas the other place could really give a $hit as long as someone is getting ragged on.
 
matthew76 said:
I think it's a jealousy thing... Too many of this threads are popping up just when USP is about to drop another BOMB on the supplement world. Whatever - I've used a lot of different GH boosters and can say with an unbiased tongue that POWERFULL is the best damn GH booster out. (Period)

Martin - The title of the thread alone dictates what your true intentions are... Move on to another board with that crap.
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You are right, it happens every time :whiner: Some people just have no life so they live vicariously through other real people.
 
Just to end this thread with some research.

PowerFULL
In a study by Lin & Tucci* the average increase of HGH was 12mg/ml…which is like injecting 5 IU’s of synthetic HGH - (which is a **** load of HGH and would cost you thousands of dollars a month!).

In the same study, a good amount of the HEALTHY test subjects (not old, sick hospital patients) had an increase of 40ng/ml…which is like injection a WHOPPING 15IU’s of synthetic HGH – again, off the charts and would cost you thousands each month.

DO NOT BELIEVE ME just look up the reference below as the studies do not lie.

In a completely different study performed by Greenspan**, one ingredient in PowerFULL was shown to increase GH production by an incredible 221%!

This proves without a shadow of a doubt PowerFULL contains all-nautral organic ingredients that rival the effects of synthetic Human Growth Hormone!

In addition, these levels are substantially higher than those seen with GHB, the notoriously famous drug, which had a large following many years ago for its supposed ability to decrease fat mass, amongst other things.

Again, this is THIRD PARTY research using HEALTHY MEN so the results are solid as a freakin’ rock…

Speed

PowerFULL’s ingredients reach the blood stream 100% faster, proved to be 110% higher and lasted 165% longer!#

Safety

In addition, the 100% organic ingredients in PowerFULL have been proven extremely safe an effective, unlike synthetic Growth Hormone or synthetic L-dopa.#


* Lin T, Tucci JR. Provocative tests of growth-hormone release. A comparison of results with seven stimuli. Ann Intern Med. 1974 Apr;80(4):464-9

**Greenspan, S. et al (1991) “Dopaminergic regulation of gonadotropin and thyrotropin hormone secretion is altered with age” Horm Res 36:41-46.

#Tharakan B, Dhanasekaran M, Mize-Berge J, et al. Anti-parkinson botanical Mucuna pruriens prevents levodopa induced plasmid and genomic DNA damage. Phytother Res. 2007 Jul 11; Published Online Ahead of Print.
 
Well I just got my blood drawn a week ago or so and I had stoped ghrp6 for 4 days for this lab work. Of couse they did it by measuring plasma IGF-1 levels. My levels Were just shy under 350 IU whcich is considered evidence of deficiency. Both me and my freind will re measure in 60 days. My freind Pascal has not even taken GHRP6 so we will see but the doctor said it should not matter since I had stoped taking it 4 days before.
 
Well I've been on Powefull 4 aday for 6 weeks a love the results so far. Just ordered two more bottles to make it to 12 weeks, then cycle off for a month. I am also going to increase to 5 aday, taking 2 before bed.
 
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