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USA Today getting ready to run an article on AMP Citrate

Royd The Noyd said:
I'll give you the aegeline thing. I haven't seen the data suggesting it is or is not hepatotoxic. But something in those products (counterfeit or whatever) was killing livers and I don't believe it was a designer steroid.

My point on stimulant related deaths vs Prohormones still stands.

And as I mentioned earlier in this thread no supplement kills more people than the most popular supplement in the world - caffeine.
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Come on man.. i enjoy PH's as much as the next guy, but they have no place as dietary supplements on the market. I'm sure you're standing behind them because you get paid to sell them for ForeRunner Labs, but we all know they are not compliant and do have side effects that dietary supplements are not supposed to have.

Some food such as Coffee will stim you up, which makes sense why caffeine is legal as a food supplement

But what foods will shut down your natural testosterone production and can potentially leave you with a life time of hormonal issues?
 
Duywayne said:
Come on man.. i enjoy PH's as much as the next guy, but they have no place as dietary supplements on the market. I'm sure you're standing behind them because you get paid to sell them for ForeRunner Labs, but we all know they are not compliant and do have side effects that dietary supplements are not supposed to have.

Some food such as Coffee will stim you up, which makes sense why caffeine is legal as a food supplement

But what foods will shut down your natural testosterone production and can potentially leave you with a life time of hormonal issues?
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I'm not arguing whether they are or are not compliant with the dietary supplement laws of X country (there are several compliant prohormones, no designer steroids). I'm simply saying they harm significantly fewer people.
 
Duywayne said:
Come on man.. i enjoy PH's as much as the next guy, but they have no place as dietary supplements on the market. I'm sure you're standing behind them because you get paid to sell them for ForeRunner Labs, but we all know they are not compliant and do have side effects that dietary supplements are not supposed to have.

Some food such as Coffee will stim you up, which makes sense why caffeine is legal as a food supplement

But what foods will shut down your natural testosterone production and can potentially leave you with a life time of hormonal issues?
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Under this argument all the original andro products should be legal. I also seen a report on equipoise being in the food supply via cattle so it should be also. I think some hormones fit perfectly in the DSHEA definition.
 
cubsfan815 said:
In to follow along. And for laughs.
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Exactly..

So to who ever said steroids will kill in 15 years, I expect to see almost every pro wrestler to start dropping off, oh yah and the rest of the million + people who use them for "cosmetic purposes"..

I mean, long story short we should see a pandemic of steroid deaths in the near future since everyone really started hitting them hard 15 years ago. I mean it would be weird for people to have them 50 years ago....

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Royd The Noyd said:
I very much dislike the CRN and I am not at all surprised by them pushing for the removal of amp citrate.


"The tests showed the amount of the stimulant varied greatly among the products. AMPilean, marketed as a fat burner by Lecheek Nutrition, contained the highest level per serving: 120 mg. Three products delivered 110 mg per serving: Frenzy, a preworkout from Driven Sports; AMPitropin, sold as a brain enhancer by Lecheek Nutrition; and MD2 Meltdown, a weight-loss product sold by VPX Sports.

Other products contained a fraction of those dosages per serving: Contraband, from Iron Forged Nutrition, 50 mg; OxyTHERMPro from deNOVOLABS, 39 mg; and Evol from Genomyx had just 13 mg, the tests found.
In two products labeled as containing the stimulant — Preamp by Hybrid and Genomyx's AMP Citrate — tests were unable to detect it, according to the study."
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No wonder Evol didn't do much of anything for me after the first use.

The Engineer said:
Are we to assume that these companies have also deceived the consumer on some of their other products?

Ex: Lecheek Andro 5A, Neuropump/F1 Test, even the new line from vpx?
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Do they REALLY have to cheat customers with Andro 5A? Like really, it's expensive enough as it is.

nattydisaster said:
This already exists. And a whole lot more. There's numerous documented cases of serious adverse events from Prohormones. Some in teens. Some in adults. Some with PHs that are no longer on the market and same that are.

Nothing has ever been done about it and the dangers of these prohormones (in some cases they are actually steroids) are far more dangerous than stimulants. Yes a stimulant can be dangerous after one dose. A steroid can't. But when your heart is ****ed up in 15 years from your 10 week M-drol cycle, you're going to be a lot worse off than how a stimulant made you feel for 8 hours. Because the side effects aren't instant they get ignored.

It's highly likely that the new steroid bill will pass and that should remove them all from the market. But it's a shame it's taken this long
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What do you mean some, the large majority of them are designer roids :P
 
nattydisaster said:
This already exists. And a whole lot more. There's numerous documented cases of serious adverse events from Prohormones. Some in teens. Some in adults. Some with PHs that are no longer on the market and same that are.

Nothing has ever been done about it and the dangers of these prohormones (in some cases they are actually steroids) are far more dangerous than stimulants. Yes a stimulant can be dangerous after one dose. A steroid can't. But when your heart is ****ed up in 15 years from your 10 week M-drol cycle, you're going to be a lot worse off than how a stimulant made you feel for 8 hours. Because the side effects aren't instant they get ignored.

It's highly likely that the new steroid bill will pass and that should remove them all from the market. But it's a shame it's taken this long
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What do you mean some, the large majority of them are designer roids :P
 
Damnnn Genomyx is gonna have a bad time based on these findings.

Evol:
Advertised dose: Proprietary blend.
Real dose: 13 mg (Useless, lol. )

AMP Citrate:
Advertised dose per serving: 150mg
Real dose: 0 mg.

Impressive..
 
Probably because they are fearing the same issue that happened with DMAA. GNC tried to fight that at first but they ended up losing. I was surprised they stood up to it honestly. You really can't fight the FDA. If they say to do something you just have to do it. Amp citrate is much milder than dmaa. Less likely to cause issues. I think the FDA had the issue with dmaa because of the deaths. They would do that with any product that caused deaths I would think. That is not the case with amp citrate.
 
De__eB said:
I'm not sure if you're making fun of the fact that some people *are* kidding themselves, or making fun of the fact that surely nobody is kidding themselves :D
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Take your pick! :D
 
Admin said:
Easy killer, he does't make it :lol:
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If the argument Genomyx (Lecheek owns them now right?) is making is that DMBA wasn't detected because DMBA is different than amp citrate, and that DMBA is an 'extract' of AMP Citrate and people are actually buying that...
 
De__eB said:
If the argument Genomyx (Lecheek owns them now right?) is making is that DMBA wasn't detected because DMBA is different than amp citrate, and that DMBA is an 'extract' of AMP Citrate and people are actually buying that...
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Then you ask Genomyx....

Remember all those steroids found in Prime?
 
GNC and VS taking them off the shelves is their legal team telling them to do so. GNC doesn't want another issue similar to 1,3 when they kept fighting it which lead to inventory being confiscated, along with a fine I do believe for tickling the FDA Dragon. Other sites and walk in retailers will continue to carry the product until the FDA moves towards a direction not allowing them to. I don't blame the sites and retailers, allows them an advantage over big business and brings people in the doors! The 1,3 scare probably sold more bottles after the article came out and media attention then ever before, I would imagine people read and see AMP is very similar to 1,3, we might have a influx of purchases! Smart to keep the products on the sites and in the stores due to that simple reason. Product is insured, there are no know adverse effects documented, only a bunch of industry negative hard on's trying to gain a buck or attention.
 
wray98 said:
This is exactly right. Awesome response.
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Not sure if SRS.

What the **** do you think it's an extract of/from?

What compound do you think 'AMP Citrate' is and how are people 'extracting' DMBA from it?

Also, even if this complete nonsense is true, the product would still test positive...just like all of the other products that actually contained AMP Citrate tested positive
 
De__eB said:
If the argument Genomyx (Lecheek owns them now right?) is making is that DMBA wasn't detected because DMBA is different than amp citrate, and that DMBA is an 'extract' of AMP Citrate and people are actually buying that...
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I see what you are saying. I didn't know what you were referring to. I referred back to the article and I see that Evol only had 13mg. Sorry about that. That would do nothing. They probably just put a little in the product just to include it in the ingredients to make it look better.
 
TGB1987 said:
I see what you are saying. I didn't know what you were referring to. I referred back to the article and I see that Evol only had 13mg. Sorry about that. That would do nothing. They probably just put a little in the product just to include it in the ingredients to make it look better.
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I'm saying this:

-Genomyx evol lists AMP Citrate on the label
-AMP Citrate lists AMP Citrate on the label

-13mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx Evol
-0mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx AMP Citrate

Therefore, Genomyx AMP Citrate does not contain AMP Citrate.

So why is any store still listing this product?
 
De__eB said:
I'm saying this:

-Genomyx evol lists AMP Citrate on the label
-AMP Citrate lists AMP Citrate on the label

-13mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx Evol
-0mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx AMP Citrate

Therefore, Genomyx AMP Citrate does not contain AMP Citrate.

So why is any store still listing this product?
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I agree. That is not something I want to support. Unbelievable. that was my mistake I should of realized what you were referring to.
 
De__eB said:
I'm saying this:

-Genomyx evol lists AMP Citrate on the label
-AMP Citrate lists AMP Citrate on the label

-13mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx Evol
-0mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx AMP Citrate

Therefore, Genomyx AMP Citrate does not contain AMP Citrate.

So why is any store still listing this product?
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I want to know WTF AMP Citrate actually contains. LoL.
 
De__eB said:
I'm saying this:

-Genomyx evol lists AMP Citrate on the label
-AMP Citrate lists AMP Citrate on the label

-13mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx Evol
-0mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx AMP Citrate

Therefore, Genomyx AMP Citrate does not contain AMP Citrate.

So why is any store still listing this product?
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the raw material is soooo cheap this doesn't make much sense….
 
USPlabsRep said:
the raw material is soooo cheap this doesn't make much sense….
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Yeah...I can't fathom how companies could screw this one up unless their QC is just completely non-existent.

kissdadookie said:
I want to know WTF AMP Citrate actually contains. LoL.
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Right? People feel something from the product so it contains...something...

So we've gone from a non compliant stimulant, to a completely unknown and unidentified stimulant.

You can't make this **** up.
 
De__eB said:
Right? People feel something from the product so it contains...something...

So we've gone from a non compliant stimulant, to a completely unknown and unidentified stimulant.

You can't make this **** up.
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It's that unlisted dendrobium, brah... :D
 
De__eB said:
Not sure if SRS.

What the **** do you think it's an extract of/from?

What compound do you think 'AMP Citrate' is and how are people 'extracting' DMBA from it?

Also, even if this complete nonsense is true, the product would still test positive...just like all of the other products that actually contained AMP Citrate tested positive
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My bad on that, I erased the post after I read it again...
 
De__eB said:
I'm saying this:

-Genomyx evol lists AMP Citrate on the label
-AMP Citrate lists AMP Citrate on the label

-13mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx Evol
-0mg of AMP Citrate were detected in Genomyx AMP Citrate

Therefore, Genomyx AMP Citrate does not contain AMP Citrate.

So why is any store still listing this product?
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The funny thing is no reps are replying here in this thread at all.

kissdadookie said:
I want to know WTF AMP Citrate actually contains. LoL.
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The million dollar question!
 
""DMBA came to the researchers' attention when a consumer in the Netherlands notified health authorities about the side effects, such as feeling jittery, after using a supplement called Unstoppable, the researchers said"."


BRB...testing my coffee.
 
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