Update on the Ban

I dont like the language Not later than 2 years. that just means there is a deadline. I guess it depends on how "government like" the secretary and attorney general are. in other words the government moves pretty slow. the bad thing is it sounds like if they get a hard on they can do it immediately. When you assume 2 years your assuming they are going to go to the deadline and not before. But then again I'm no lawyer.
 
WONDERFUL! So that means that not only will it be easy for them to continue to make more supplements illegal. But it will actually be a law that they review supplements every 2 years and pick out which ones they deem "unsafe".... well I guess 2 years from now we'll all be stocking up on creatine. :mad:
 
Brodus said:
Good call, MM!
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Thank you kind sir..., I have a feeling that this whole PH ban will be similar to what goes on in testing in pro/olympic sports. The smart ones will be one step ahead.

Keep up your great posts.
MM
 
Ugh I hate the government. Leave us alone dammit. Why can't they do their own **** up in Washington, and let us do ours. Steroids can't hurt anyone except for the people using them.. they are just pissed they arn't making any money on a huge business.

Well TONS of Americans are going to be "guilty" of poccession whenever this lame ban comes out.. however I think you have to be retarded somehow to be caught.

Anyone know how much time we will have from when the ban date is released to the actual ban date? Or will it be sudden?
 
Ex post facto laws have been established so that a person can not be found guilty of something that was legal at the time they did it, but was made illegal later. If you have a stash of PH/PS that you purchased legally, and they were later made illegal, you can possess them all you want without fear of prosecution or confiscation. It will just be illegal for you to sell them. There is no way they would bother to police PH/PS anytime in the next few years--except to stop distribution. Simply put, you can't get in trouble for having something that you bought legally.
 
So does anyone have an estimate of what m1t will cost on the street, in say, a year after the ban? lol
 
street M1T post-ban

$20 for a street quarter if it's M1tar on the west coast, or $100 for a bundle if you live on the east coast.
 
My special is gonna be:
56 pills of M1T (10mg each) good for 2 - 2 week cycles @ 20mg a day / bottle of liquid Nolva = $75.

haha j/k.... or am i?
 
Will M1T, MOHN, MD, and all the other menthylated/non-menthylated prohormones be able to be sold as "research chemicals"? Or no?
 
MT1

Im sure you can easily get 5 bucks per 5-10 mg pill considering
the short term potency of this steroid.

Gym prices of coarse. ;)
 
I think M1T will probably still sell post ban on the blackmarket. Hell, I could see people reselling it as Anadrol or D-Bol, b/c the gains are insanely fast, and the price is SOO cheap.

RE: ex-post-facto laws, of course, totally correct. This is the same rationale that goes into a "grandfather clause." For instance, even during the assault rifle ban, long clips and assualt rifles made prior to a specific date were still legal to own, trade, etc.

Three things I am certain of:

1. The government moves slowly, especially compared to Internet time. How long ago did VPX have all their mods post "The Ban Is Days Away?" I can tell you-->five months ago. If nothing happens this month, it will sit until January, and then we'll probably get a grace period, too.
2. Based on point one, as someone else pointed out, there will ALWAYS be researchers a few steps ahead of the game. My goal is to befriend one or become one!
3. Getting "busted" for your PH stash is a really paranoid fear.
 
The only way that I can think of getting busted, is kinda a rare scenario, but here it is:

I was up at like 2am watching a movie at my apartment (Donnie Darko) lol. I had a roommate but he usually stayed with his gf so I was usually alone 5/7 days a week. Well I hear the door open and I'm sitting on the couch in nothing but my boxers, and in he comes with 2 cops right behind him lol. I freaked out.. I had my nolva, m4ohn, and other supps laying around my desk in my room. So, I sorta stood there and heard what was wrong (supposedly he is getting arrested for not paying a speeding ticket, and the cops were nice enough to let him swing by the apartment to drop off his car and dog before they took him to jail).. anyways, I never let the cops go into my room, and I don't think they had any intentions of, but if my stuff was laying out in the living room.. there may have been a problem. lol I ended up getting some cash from a ATM later that night and bailing him out before they shipped him off to prison haha.
 
it will actually be a law that they review supplements every 2 years
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It's not every 2 years. They can review it every day if they want, but the law only says they review it once within 2 years from the date of the ammendment.
 
"Ex post facto laws have been established so that a person can not be found guilty of something that was legal at the time they did it, but was made illegal later. If you have a stash of PH/PS that you purchased legally, and they were later made illegal, you can possess them all you want without fear of prosecution or confiscation. It will just be illegal for you to sell them. There is no way they would bother to police PH/PS anytime in the next few years--except to stop distribution. Simply put, you can't get in trouble for having something that you bought legally."



this is not correct ex post facto does mean that you cannot be convicted for a crime that you commited before it was a crime so that means that you would not be able to be convicted for the crime of possessing PH's before the ban went into place and you cannot be convicted for purchasing them prior to the ban IF you are found with them, however, it does not matter when you bought them as you currently possess them, therefore are breaking a current law what the government would expect you to do is get rid of them in some fashion but don't think for a second just because you bought them before the ban that once the ban hits it will remain legal to possess them that's just not how the ex post facto rule of the due process amendment works
 
You're misinterpretting the ex post facto business.

You can't be charged for something you did when it was legal. If 1-test becomes a scheduled drug today, it becomes illegal to buy or possess. You can't be charged for buying it or possessing it last year.

You can however be charged for continuing to possess it. For example, you can be charged for possessing ecstacy, even if you bought it 20 years ago when it was legal.

I don't know the gun case you're talking about, but possession and sale are not always both made illegal. It sounds like the gun law was written to only make trafficking illegal.
 
PirateFromHell said:
You can still possess guns that are now illegal to buy. What is the difference?
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The difference is that if you owned a gun that was banned as a result of the assault weapons law, you were required to register it at that time (as a condition of possession) or relinquish it to the authorities. Whether people really did that or not was a different story though.
 
glenihan and rrgg are correct, so when the ban hits you will all have to dispose of all these banned chems. Now we can't throw them in the trash because they could eventually end up in the ground/drinking water so maybe the government can have a disposal facility.

As for them being sold as research chems this won't happen. Research chems are not scheduled drugs but are limited for distribution by requiring a doctor's prescription when for human use. There's a loophole to sell these drugs as research chems but I don't want to fully explain it as I'm sure the gov will patch up this loophole.

As for the assault weapon ban it prevented selling certain pieces of the gun like the lower receiver so all you had to do as buy it pre ban and then you could obtain all the other parts post ban and have yourself a nice ar15. The government also banned Freon(R12) but the thing was you couldn't produce any in the US or have any imported. But the loophole with that was any remaining freon in the US would be legal to possess and use. You just couldn't import or make any more so the supply will eventually be exhausted at which point it will be illegal to possess. I doubt any such loopholes exist for these phs though.

As an aside could someone send me the list that custom posted cuz I want to do some research.
 
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when the ban hits you will all have to dispose of all these banned chems. Now we can't throw them in the trash because they could eventually end up in the ground/drinking water so maybe the government can have a disposal facility.
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I'm providing a free disposal service for all illegal and banned PH/PS/AAS. Please contact me for information on where to send such materials.
 
LOL rrgg... You sure you're willing to take that sacrifice for us? You're a great guy thanks for your services.
 
GonnaBHuge said:
The difference is that if you owned a gun that was banned as a result of the assault weapons law, you were required to register it at that time (as a condition of possession) or relinquish it to the authorities. Whether people really did that or not was a different story though.
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Thats only true in the CA assault weapons ban, and it has nothing to do with the one that just expired. The one that just expired had to do with rifles not being allowed to be manufactured with more then a certian number of "evil features" (flash hider, bayonet lug, colapsable stock, pistol grip, ability to accept detachable magazine) and newly manufactured magazines not being able to hold more then 10 rounds. It also banned certain pistols also. If you Onwed a "preban" weapon you could keep it and have all of the "eveil features" you wanted, you just couldnt put the extra "evil features" on a post ban weapon, but you could sell you pre ban one as much as you wanted to, and could posses and sell preban highcap mags.
 
Thats only true in the CA assault weapons ban
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They can write whatever specials provisions they want. When the national drinking age was set at 21, they grandfathered 18 year olds who were already legally drinking. It sounds guns with "evil features" were also grandfathered.
 
rrgg said:
They can write whatever specials provisions they want. When the national drinking age was set at 21, they grandfathered 18 year olds who were already legally drinking. It sounds guns with "evil features" were also grandfathered.
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Nope, they cannot be granfathered in CA. They could be in the rest of the country, you could even sell them.
 
On the Federal level, the only enforcement I foresee is to stop distribution, period. If the local sheriff has a hard on for you, that is another story. I can't imagine a campaign to wipe out possession of supplements that were obtained legally. Why would they care? After the ban the political pressure is lifted. You don't see them kickin' down doors for your old ECA. I know it isn't scheduled, but my point is that the ban is a political smoke screen. It isn't about what actually changes, but peoples' perception of what Congress has done about a perceived problem. After the ban, their hands are clean. The Department of Justice has bigger fish to fry.
 
Pirate's right. No one's going to hunt you down for possession, so it's kind of a moot issue.
 
The future is a mystery. Since its new and scary, I think they'll make CEE a schedule 1 narcotic, like we're gonna rock it up and sell it on the street. But you'll still be able to call your old connect and get a decent bag of Milk Thistle for $30-40.
 
Well boys, you better start practicing your Fina and Syno conversions, I'm sure there will be a huge market for that post-ban.
 
milwood said:
they'll make CEE a schedule 1 narcotic, like we're gonna rock it up and sell it on the street.
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If it was effective enough, a prescription would be required--even it was completely safe. That way the doctors and the big pharm companies get their cut--as do the polititians who were paid to pass the necessary laws.
 
i read somewhere that (i think it was egypt) in one country, steroids were OTC, but Creatine was illegal. guess what? guys there were actually engaged in a robust black market in creatine. which goes to show, to some extent, the fact that something IS banned will make some people crave it more/assume it is more effective.
 
Why would CEE have tendencies to make it illegal? Could someone enlighten me? I thought it was just a new creatine with better absorbtion.
 
lol ok. I'll put some new batteries in it right now.

I just heard lots of mixed stuff about it lol, so yeah..
 
Regarding the CEE I heard something about it not being naturally occurring or a problem with it having an ester which could lead to it being banned but who really knows: it's all just a wait and see policy.

As for phs, yeah, the local authorities won't go actively looking for it and the fbi isn't going to subpeona records from supplement companies to make sure you've disposed of it. But say your gf is pissed at you and tells the authorities, chances are they will go after you. And since you stocked up they could hypothetically claim you had intentions to distribute but all this is unlikely. Unless you are selling it post ban I don't see you getting in trouble.
 
Iron Warrior said:
Well boys, you better start practicing your Fina and Syno conversions, I'm sure there will be a huge market for that post-ban.
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Funny you should mention that. There's a convention of the Association of Bovine Pactitioners at my local convention center....lol. I just think it would be funny to see 1/2 the visitors being ranchers and the other half monstrous bodybuilders.
 
ersatz said:
Unless you are selling it post ban I don't see you getting in trouble.
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So do you think we might have to have a "verified members only" section in the swap meet, post-ban? Or will we be forced to trade dextrose and vitamin C?
 
Brodus said:
So do you think we might have to have a "verified members only" section in the swap meet, post-ban? Or will we be forced to trade dextrose and vitamin C?
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I'm going back to abusing Tribulus and ZMA:icon_lol:
 
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