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UnicronSpawns summer cycle

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Hey Uni,
You're lucky you didn't make it to that party. I got a sunburn and a vicious hangover. Probably not ideal with DNP.

I wouldn't have been so intoxicated, but I won 9 consecutive games of Beiruit, and I hadn't been drunk in at least 6 months.

Next time :cheers:
 
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Beowulf said:
Hey Uni,
You're lucky you didn't make it to that party. I got a sunburn and a vicious hangover. Probably not ideal with DNP.

I wouldn't have been so intoxicated, but I won 9 consecutive games of Beiruit, and I hadn't been drunk in at least 6 months.

Next time :cheers:
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Lol. I probably wouldnt have drank, if not because Im dieting, at least because of the ramifications of diuretics w/ DNP.

Believe it or not, after getting lost a couple more times I DID actually finally stumble on MA16 and made it to Revere. But the messed up mapquest directions I jotted down had me get off at 107 ramp then go under MA16, and immediately turn on to the enterance to MA16 going back the other way! Lol. I guess there was supposed to be a street (border st) that I was supposed to turn on to, but it never came or wasnt labeled. I went around that loop 4 times then searched some back roads and finally gave up and went home. (tried your cell a couple times but it was shut off or something.) So I just said to hell w/ it, no AC is bad enough when Im NOT on DNP. I was in a crappy mood the rest of that night, but I got over it. (I had help from a very small ammount of a certain botanical that I found a little bit of from like a year and a half ago, that I forgot I had. Lol.) Not sure that was the best for hydration either. Lol. (Im a baaaaaaaad Man.)

On the plus side, my calfs are still sore but I can now walk like a normal human being, and Im down 9lbs now (today is day 11 of DNP.)

That sucks you got sunburned man. Is it bad?

We'll hang out again some other weekend. Hopefully before I go out of town for summer, but if not before then, for sure when I get back in september. I dont have ticks yet, so we have a little time. Later.
 
Ubiquitous said:
I think you might run the chance of desensitizing your leydig cells running HCG like that. I just don't like to risk such a thing because it screws your recovery if it happens. I'd rather not play catch up, and run it per Swale's tried and true protocol.. the 250iu 2x/week idea.
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i've done the 2x/week HCG for weeks on end and found that it desensitizes faster when you do it for longer - swale be damned, that long-term HCG thing just doesnt feel right or work right. the week after the first injection is when the testes really seem to spring up - subsequent pokes dont have the same effect. i think big cat may have posted about this somewhere (not in a profile, but on a board) - i recommend EOD for a week or so, every 4-6 weeks, depending on what works for you. only issue there is that you need 2K IU vials, as it doesnt last all that long once reconstituted (so i'm told)
 
same_old said:
i've done the 2x/week HCG for weeks on end and found that it desensitizes faster when you do it for longer - swale be damned, that long-term HCG thing just doesnt feel right or work right. the week after the first injection is when the testes really seem to spring up - subsequent pokes dont have the same effect. i think big cat may have posted about this somewhere (not in a profile, but on a board) - i recommend EOD for a week or so, every 4-6 weeks, depending on what works for you. only issue there is that you need 2K IU vials, as it doesnt last all that long once reconstituted (so i'm told)
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All I have are 5,000iu vial's. DOH! I have some in my freezer, but I'll be staying at this girls house for like 6-8wks and even though she wouldnt mind my stuff in the freezer, she does have 2 small boys, and she's providing room and board for her brother and his wife. So I dont know if having loaded syringes in the freezer is going to fly. Lol. Maybe I'll just use some right before I go, and then just not reconstitute any till I leave. (It's like 2,000 miles from where Im at. But then I'll still have the same problem for the rest of the summer when I go to stay w/ my Mother. She probably wont approve of loaded 23g 1 1/2 syringes in her freezer either.
 
UnicronSpawn said:
All I have are 5,000iu vial's. DOH! I have some in my freezer, but I'll be staying at this girls house for like 6-8wks and even though she wouldnt mind my stuff in the freezer, she does have 2 small boys, and she's providing room and board for her brother and his wife. So I dont know if having loaded syringes in the freezer is going to fly. Lol. Maybe I'll just use some right before I go, and then just not reconstitute any till I leave. (It's like 2,000 miles from where Im at. But then I'll still have the same problem for the rest of the summer when I go to stay w/ my Mother. She probably wont approve of loaded 23g 1 1/2 syringes in her freezer either.
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well....dont even touch HCG til the 4th week. i'd do 500IU EOD for maybe 10 days during weeks 4-5, then again weeks 10-11. that's about a 50-day window, and i think it's good for 60. check on that though.
 
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UnicronSpawn said:
Lol. I probably wouldnt have drank, if not because Im dieting, at least because of the ramifications of diuretics w/ DNP.

Believe it or not, after getting lost a couple more times I DID actually finally stumble on MA16 and made it to Revere. But the messed up mapquest directions I jotted down had me get off at 107 ramp then go under MA16, and immediately turn on to the enterance to MA16 going back the other way! Lol. I guess there was supposed to be a street (border st) that I was supposed to turn on to, but it never came or wasnt labeled. I went around that loop 4 times then searched some back roads and finally gave up and went home. (tried your cell a couple times but it was shut off or something.) So I just said to hell w/ it, no AC is bad enough when Im NOT on DNP. I was in a crappy mood the rest of that night, but I got over it. (I had help from a very small ammount of a certain botanical that I found a little bit of from like a year and a half ago, that I forgot I had. Lol.) Not sure that was the best for hydration either. Lol. (Im a baaaaaaaad Man.)

On the plus side, my calfs are still sore but I can now walk like a normal human being, and Im down 9lbs now (today is day 11 of DNP.)

That sucks you got sunburned man. Is it bad?

We'll hang out again some other weekend. Hopefully before I go out of town for summer, but if not before then, for sure when I get back in september. I dont have ticks yet, so we have a little time. Later.
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Damn, you were on 107. The party was right off 107. I used msn.com directions. It seems to work better. Too bad it got so late. I was already 3.5 hours late for the party, so I couldn't really wait.

Until then,
:dl:
 
UnicronSpawn said:
All I have are 5,000iu vial's. DOH! I have some in my freezer, but I'll be staying at this girls house for like 6-8wks and even though she wouldnt mind my stuff in the freezer, she does have 2 small boys, and she's providing room and board for her brother and his wife. So I dont know if having loaded syringes in the freezer is going to fly. Lol. Maybe I'll just use some right before I go, and then just not reconstitute any till I leave. (It's like 2,000 miles from where Im at. But then I'll still have the same problem for the rest of the summer when I go to stay w/ my Mother. She probably wont approve of loaded 23g 1 1/2 syringes in her freezer either.
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You could buy a little fridge/freezer. You could bring it to your mom's too.
 
same_old said:
well....dont even touch HCG til the 4th week. i'd do 500IU EOD for maybe 10 days during weeks 4-5, then again weeks 10-11. that's about a 50-day window, and i think it's good for 60. check on that though.
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I could for sure manage that. Then Id go through the whole amp in 10 days, and start another one 5wks later or so.

I still havent decided weather or not to use prop the first week while the cyp has time to start working. I have allmost enough prop to do the whole cycle w/ just prop, but Im just a couple weeks short, and the cyp I have isnt good for much unless I incorporate it in this cycle. (about a vial and a half of cyp250.)
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Wouldnt that be kind of heavy to fly with?
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:think:
Ok, buy one on Craig's List in...that state. Sell it on Craig's List when you're leaving. Buy a new one on Craig's list when you get to your mom's place...

I don't know why I thought you were driving ????
 
I might be able to do that. If I do same-olds idea w/ HCG, then I wouldnt actuall need it for that, but then Id have somewhere more private to put my GH and humalog (if I decide to bring it) and IGF or MGF if I end up getting some of either of those.) Allthough I should probably get more GH to extend my cycle instead of buying IGF or MGF.

Oh wait, you said a fridge? I would need a freezer for HCG if I didnt finish the amp. Do they sell them like that (w/ mini fridge AND mini freezer.)???
 
I'll look into it before I leave. Maybe I can have it sent to my Girl out there's work or something.

I heard there's alot of hookers on Craigs list too.:head:
...JK......but not really.
 
same_old said:
... i recommend EOD for a week or so, every 4-6 weeks, depending on what works for you. only issue there is that you need 2K IU vials, as it doesnt last all that long once reconstituted (so i'm told)
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I agree, you can't milk it for months with an equal effect really. 4wks on and 4wks off is how I have started doing it, unless you keep upping the dose and that's counter productive in the long run. Running an AI concurrently does help delay desensitization I believe, but not indefinitely.
 
Ubiquitous said:
Well as I said D, I hope it's wrong.. I am not an endocrinologist, I just play one on TV.. :D
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So that's why you had the stirrups in you living room! (haha) :D
 
Lol.
So I guess I'll just use an amp (5,000iu) till it's gone and take 4 or 5wks off before starting another amp. (damn, I have to scrounge through and make sure I have enough for the whole cycle.)

Im thinking I'll just run the cyp for 6wks at 625mg's and instead of front loading and having only a pitiful ammount of cyp left, I'll run the prop for the first week just to kick things off with a bang.
And I'll run just tren ace no tren enan. That way I'll have two whole vials of tren enan at 250mg's/ml for my next cycle in november or december.
 
Sounds good. :) You're still stacking an oral though, right? If not, use creatine instead.
 
UnicronSpawn said:
I could for sure manage that. Then Id go through the whole amp in 10 days, and start another one 5wks later or so.
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check your math!

500IU EOD for 10 days will only use half the vial - that's why i suggested it. refrigerate after the first go-round, then come back to it at the end.

(you do plan to reconstitute into a sealed vial, right? or no...)
 
Yeah I still plan on using those orals. Still unsure of wich oral I'll use after the break from dbol (before the winny). And unsure of what rotation schedule. I know I want to start cycle w/ Dbol, and I know I want to end w/ winny, and do my end of cycle pictures while hardened up from the winny. And I know I want the cycle to last 16wks. And I know I have 3wks worth winny, and 6wks worth of Dbol, and a generous supply of superdrol, PP, Emax, M1t, and a good 3wks of M4ohn, and MDien.

Oh and I will be taking CEE postworkout. :) And maybe on off days when I start hitting the cutting diet harder, as it gets gradually harder to not rely more on shakes when the carbs start to get lower. Right now the only time I use shakes instead of solid food is postwkout. (or if I happen to be somewhere and/or doing something that prohibits me from eating a meal when it's time.)
 
same_old said:
check your math!

500IU EOD for 10 days will only use half the vial - that's why i suggested it. refrigerate after the first go-round, then come back to it at the end.

(you do plan to reconstitute into a sealed vial, right? or no...)
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Oh, yeah. Damn math, it's even harder then that STUPID ALPHABET.
Like Duh or something. Lol.

Seriously though, yeah I do ussually put it in it's own sealed vial.

So I guess it's between getting the mini fridge, and doing the HCG for 20 days EOD w/ 5wk breaks. That would work out to:

20 day protocol for HCG

Weeks 1-5 no HCG
weeks 6-8 500iu EOD
Weeks 9-13 no HCG
Weeks 14-16 500iu's EOD
weeks 17-?? post cycle w/ Serms/ATD etc.

The schedule works out conveniently but my concern is that 20 days at that dosage may be overkill. Wich do you all think is better? 10days EOD and buying a mini freezer, or 20days and no freezing involved?

Heres the other one

10 day protocol for HCG

Week 1-5 1/2: no HCG
Weeks 6 1/2-7: HCG 500iu EOD
Weeks 8-15 1/2: no HCG
Weeks 15 1/2-16: HCG 500iu EOD

OR 3, 10day phases

10 day EOD periods starting on:
Week 6
Week 11 and
half way through week 15 (till end of cycle)
 
Officially split up w/ my GF of 4 years wednsday night. Been in kind of a haze lately. It just feels so wierd man. It's like Im sad for a while, then I sort of become numb for a while.

I was tolerating the planned dosage of 600mg's of DNP pretty well so I bumped it up to 4 caps (800mg's) today. (or yesterday rather, It's 5am friday and I just havent gone to bed yet.) Im happy to report that I have not gone into rigormortis, or suffered heat stroke. I even went in the tanning bed today (first time doing that while on DNP) and it wasnt to bad at all. (The fans in the tan bed helped.) Think I might of burned a little on my back, but doesnt appear to be serious. I've felt lazy and slow however. I was going to go practice my drums last night, but I just layed in bed watching tv and reading instead. (not at the same time of course.)

I look terrible, Im bloated w/ water, my skin is broken out has uneven tan lines that look rediculous. My muscles havent looked this small since early november. And I need a friggin hair trim. Lol.

Needless to say, Im anxiously awaiting the start of this cycle. I may start it on saturday instead of suday. since I have one extra days worth of Dbol anyway. The DNP is been so annoying for what seems like so long, that Im glad to be at the home stretch of it, even though so far I havent lost quite as much in CERTAIN area's as Id hoped to. So I'll probably just do tommorow, and maybe saturday, I havent decided. I train mon. It'll take 48hrs to get the DNP out of my system. So I dont know yet.
We'll see though.
 
Damn, Uni, you definitely are not making me want to try DNP :sick: You're lucky that you are at a juncture where you can afford to be lethargic for a stretch of time.

Sorry to hear about the breakup, though I know it was inevitable. Based on what you told me, I think you made the right decision. Try to focus on one idea--FREEDOM :head:
 
UnicronSpawn said:
Oh, yeah. Damn math, it's even harder then that STUPID ALPHABET.
Like Duh or something. Lol.

Seriously though, yeah I do ussually put it in it's own sealed vial.

So I guess it's between getting the mini fridge, and doing the HCG for 20 days EOD w/ 5wk breaks. That would work out to:

20 day protocol for HCG

Weeks 1-5 no HCG
weeks 6-8 500iu EOD
Weeks 9-13 no HCG
Weeks 14-16 500iu's EOD
weeks 17-?? post cycle w/ Serms/ATD etc.

The schedule works out conveniently but my concern is that 20 days at that dosage may be overkill. Wich do you all think is better? 10days EOD and buying a mini freezer, or 20days and no freezing involved?

Heres the other one

10 day protocol for HCG

Week 1-5 1/2: no HCG
Weeks 6 1/2-7: HCG 500iu EOD
Weeks 8-15 1/2: no HCG
Weeks 15 1/2-16: HCG 500iu EOD

OR 3, 10day phases

10 day EOD periods starting on:
Week 6
Week 11 and
half way through week 15 (till end of cycle)
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hard to say, bro. any one of those seems ok. HCG protocol is far from an exact science. 2x/week? EOD? ED? i've heard them all...and of course duration...i dont think there's one right way, but the short burst approach you layed out in any of the scenarios is fine IMHO.

sorry to hear about the GF. plenty more fish in the sea. (that's what people are supposed to say, right?)
 
Beowulf said:
Damn, Uni, you definitely are not making me want to try DNP :sick: You're lucky that you are at a juncture where you can afford to be lethargic for a stretch of time.

Sorry to hear about the breakup, though I know it was inevitable. Based on what you told me, I think you made the right decision. Try to focus on one idea--FREEDOM :head:
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Was that part at the end a tribute to Braveheart? Thats how Id be if I ever got busted for personal use. "have you last thigs to say to this court before we incararate you?" "Yes.......FREEDOM!!" "take him a way boys, he gave up his freedom when he decided to mind his own freaking bussiness." (so I paraphrased).

Seriously though, being on moderate to high dose DNP is kind of like temporarily having a disability that you cant tell anyone about. "What do you mean you need to be by the AC and go get more water?" "Uhhhhhhh, no reason."
 
Thanks for the support you guys. I really appreciate it.
My GF keeps calling, she wants me to change my mind. But I cant tell her the "other" reason I cut it off.
She's angry at me for not incorporating her in my plans to move next year, or for not staying an extra year to wait for her. But she's so sad and misses me so much that we dont argue all intense on the phone. It's so weird cuz we just shoot the **** like w/ always do but the subject always comes back to some aspect of eachother or our relationship in general, and she'll remind me of something else I'll miss about her. Probably in an effort to make me change my mind. This is the hardest decision I think I've ever made. I dont even know for sure if this thing I might start up w/ the other girl in NM will even work out. I could write for hours about this, so Im just going to restrain myself from going on about it for now. Just suffice it to say Im conflicted and hurting. But Im also optimistic, and I cant wait to start this cycle. Im so psyched about it. I've got my training planned out. (at least for the first 6wks.) It's a periodized style, but if Im gaining fast enough in the 10-12 rep range, I might postpone lowering the reps gradually. It's not based on training to total failure. And every BP gets hit twice a week w/ low volume but progressive overload. Id post it, but it's not the right thread for it. I used it during post cycle therapy for a while, and even in post cycle therapy my weights and reps were still going up (albeit slowly/gradually). I'll use different exercises this time though.

My diet will be clean at first but not too low in cals or carbs. Then as I go I'll figure out what my avg. daily macro's are, and in week 7 I'll start slowly cutting cals and adding in cardio and some kind of thermogenic.

For the HCG, I have to check my supply, and that will help me decide wich protocol. Im pretty sure I have enough to do any of those three, It just means that unless I use the 20day burst version that I'll have to buy that porta freezer.
You know, I never actually asked the girl Im going to stay w/ in NM if I could stash a loaded 23g syringe in her freezer, but my guess it that even if she let me just because she's submissive, that it STILL would be a bad idea on my part. Her brother and his wife live there, and I've never even met them. Her kids are probably too short to get in there, but I just think it would be too sketchy. So I'll either do my 20day protocol in the middle and at the end, or get the mini freezer/fridge. Ideally Id be able to judge by how bad the atrophy is.

Is it possible to just freeze a sealed vial of HCG? Instead of having the seedy looking frozen needle in there?
Im such a dumbass I didnt even think to ask that till now. I could get away w/ that much easier than freezing a loaded syringe. And then I wouldnt have to buy and sell mini-fridges. (GH is easy to conceal in a fridge. Or at least make it look like it's something else.) My kits say something on it like "Hexolobenzine sample" or some thing like that. (It wasnt that exactly, but it was something w/ an H). It looks like it could be real medication. Igf and slin are also not hard to hide in a fridge. At the GF's place (the one I just split up with) I would just put some food items in a bag in the fridge and put the GH, and slin or IGF or MGF or whatever in the bag with the food.

So if it's ok to freeze HCG in a vial, I could probably mail the rest to myself in w/ an ice pack when Im ready to go, and it should be fine right?
The stuff would be thawed by the time it reaches me, but hopefully cold enough to survive.
 
I ended up taking 2 caps of DNP in the early part of today even though yesterday was supposed to be my last day. Im still hot and dont feel like doing much. (allthough the relationship situation(s) may have something to do with my demotivation.) I start the cycle tommorow.........(UnicronSpawn)
 
If you're going to freeze it, put it in something with a low freezing point (like BA, PG or PEG). You don't want it to freeze in aqueous solution. I'd just get the mini-frig if I were you bro.
 
Im actually trying to get the mini fridge, but nobody on craigs list seems to be from the state Im going to (at least nobody thats selling those).
The ones I contacted didnt want to mail it there. I may have to wait till I get there and then buy locally.
BTW, the last batch of HCG I froze (wich is still in my freezer) was just in BW, Is that bad?
My home freezer is probably a bit colder than a mini one.

So if I use BA or PG or PEG do I just reconstitute as ussual in BW, and after using half the vial add an ammount of the BA that makes it easy to calculate the new iu per ml dosing?
Or do I forget about the BW, and reconstitute solely w/ the BA or the PG or the PEG?

So D, you think the 10 day 500iu EOD spurts are a better plan than 20 day 500iu EOD (Uses whole amp so freezing unnecessary) plan?

BTW took my first Dbol 15mins ago. Will take test/tren in a while.:head:
 
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