Ultimate Natty Stack

[Halfnattyman44]

I've thought this through a few separate times and have a few supplement favorites, but always come back to there must be a way to hit several pathways at once. Hormonal, Muscle Protein Synthesis, mTor, nitric oxide, myostatin, etc. There's obviously a lot of bro science here too.

Then looking at fat loss kind of the same thing.

How do you all look at stacking supplements? Just keep adding more things or look at specific pathways to make sure you're hitting different ones and not the same one every time?

 

[ironviking]

Honestly I stay with tried and true: Creatine, Protein, Caffeine, good multivitamin blend. If I'm cutting hard I'll add in something like 7keto or suppress-C but that is only late in the cut trying to get down under 11%
Most supplements just don't stand up to scrutiny, on paper and on some body positive lab rats they might look great but rarely does that translate to effectiveness in humans. If you talk about PHs, SARMS, and Hs then that's a different story.
If you do find a supp that you think is working well I'd say stack that to your tried and true but keep it streamlined so you can continually gauge effectiveness. Just my opinion...

 

[Halfnattyman44]

Most supplements just don't stand up to scrutiny

I do agree with you on the effectiveness of supplements. I just think there are things that can move the needle. For example, my test levels are naturally 400 or so and with Mtest they run around 600-650. I believe that's enough to move the needle with more energy and strength in the gym. It won't help everyone and it's not a steroid, but I think it's effective. I imagine there are other things that can fill gaps and just move the needle a bit.

I also like 7keto, never have run suppress C. I might try that next time I'm in a cut instead.

 

[ironviking]

Suppress-C is one of my favorites I think it really helps during any time of stress. It also seems to help control my blood glucose (type1 diabetic here).
There are some supps out there that could be helpful but it's nuanced per individual. On those cases it comes down to cost vs reward. Btw i do like M-Test and run it about every 6 months or so

 

[sns8778]

I've thought this through a few separate times and have a few supplement favorites, but always come back to there must be a way to hit several pathways at once. Hormonal, Muscle Protein Synthesis, mTor, nitric oxide, myostatin, etc. There's obviously a lot of bro science here too.

Then looking at fat loss kind of the same thing.

How do you all look at stacking supplements? Just keep adding more things or look at specific pathways to make sure you're hitting different ones and not the same one every time?

I tend to look at how things work and how they can work together and design my stacks to be able to cover as many bases as possible.

I have certain supplements that are foundational supplements that I use regularly and then others that I use based on my goals for that particular time period.

When you look at your set of categories, I do think of them similar but a little more in depth like for example, something may help increase hormone levels in a different way than something else so that may make them a great stack.

Fat loss for example - Lean Edge, Lean GLP, Thermo Scorch (or LipoVantage), Thermagize XT (or Lipo Elite), and reduce XT all help with fat loss in different ways. So they could all be stacked together if someone wanted to, not saying they have to, but could be without much redundancy, and the overlap that there would be would be positive.

 

[KimChee]

I just try them out and stick with the ones that work. I usually stack 3-4 at a time sometimes more. I know the SNS/CEL line are all stackable with no overlap. Out of the SNS line I like Lean Edge and Recomp20. I’ve had good success with DCP and BMP. My old tried and true was the old school ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin stack but can’t take that anymore. For fat loss. I’ve been on a long run of AE, AXT, M-Test, and Prime and it’s been great for winter bulk/strength stack.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I’ve been on a long run of AE, AXT, M-Test, and Prime and it’s been great for winter bulk/strength stack.

Honestly in my opinion you can't beat these here when it comes to natty products!

 

[Halfnattyman44]

I’ve been on a long run of AE, AXT, M-Test, and Prime and it’s been great for winter bulk/strength stack.

I have used all of those as well, sometimes stacked, sometimes individual. I just wonder if organizing by pathways can help your gains but also minimize your spend. For example if I took every supplement that SNS/CEL had for test boosting I think over half of them would be a waste, not because they’re not good but because I just can’t imagine I could squeeze more out of that pathway.

But it sounds like most people just stack what worked for them individually. Btw I’m currently on PA, Prime, and Mtest. Alpha One, AXT, and AE are probably my favorite supplements and Mtest is always in there.

 

[Halfnattyman44]

When you look at your set of categories, I do think of them similar but a little more in depth like for example, something may help increase hormone levels in a different way than something else so that may make them a great stack.

Fat loss for example - Lean Edge, Lean GLP, Thermo Scorch (or LipoVantage), Thermagize XT (or Lipo Elite), and reduce XT all help with fat loss in different ways. So they could all be stacked together if someone wanted to, not saying they have to, but could be without much redundancy, and the overlap that there would be would be positive.

Yeah, this was how I was kind of thinking of it too. I guess with natural supplements it's less about one pathway since AXT or AE hit several on their own, but it's also not bad to have some overlap there.

I run 2-6 of your supplements at all times pretty much, rotating through several. So I was just curious if there's a better way to organize that or not.

 

[KimChee]

Honestly in my opinion you can't beat these here when it comes to natty products!

Yeah I posted my results in the Prime thread when I was stacking it with A1 and a couple people called BS. But honestly since creatine I haven’t found anything natural better for strength than Prime. Just insane strength gains. PA has been great also. A1, MCC, and Prime ultimate strength stack for me and I used to compete in powerlifting eons ago.

 

[sns8778]

I have used all of those as well, sometimes stacked, sometimes individual. I just wonder if organizing by pathways can help your gains but also minimize your spend. For example if I took every supplement that SNS/CEL had for test boosting I think over half of them would be a waste, not because they’re not good but because I just can’t imagine I could squeeze more out of that pathway.

But it sounds like most people just stack what worked for them individually. Btw I’m currently on PA, Prime, and Mtest. Alpha One, AXT, and AE are probably my favorite supplements and Mtest is always in there.

The stack that you're on is an excellent stack and works through complimentary pathways.

As for the first part, no, there would be no need to take all the natural test boosting ingredients as singles. For the average person, the formulas like M-Test, Optimize-T, and Cloma-Plex are the way to go. The formula products combine a lot of the things that we offer as single ingredients.

We have a lot of customers that love to try new things, so we offer a lot of single ingredient sku's to give new things to try, and sometimes we may introduce singles as a way to get feedback on using them in formulas.

 

[sns8778]

Yeah, this was how I was kind of thinking of it too. I guess with natural supplements it's less about one pathway since AXT or AE hit several on their own, but it's also not bad to have some overlap there.

I run 2-6 of your supplements at all times pretty much, rotating through several. So I was just curious if there's a better way to organize that or not.

There are so many supplements and types of supplements, I don't think its a one answer fits all approach most of the time.

I can only speak for us and the way I formulate, and my goal is to have all formulations to be effective on their own and to also have most of them be stackable with one another. And in many cases, some of ours like Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect will work on more than one pathway.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Bulking

Creatine HCL
Betaine Anhydrous
Apex Alchemy Epichaos
CEL Epiplex - pre-workout
SNS Phosphatidic X
Milk, Eggs, Beef

Cutting

Ephedrine
Yohimbe HCL
Evomuse DCP Ultra
SNS - Lean Edge
GDA of choice

Hormonal

Iconic Formulations Icon One
Hi-Tech 1 - Testosterone


Of course I could just get really crazy and keep stacking, but these would be the basis for my runs, and the best bang for your buck.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Yeah I posted my results in the Prime thread when I was stacking it with A1 and a couple people called BS. But honestly since creatine I haven’t found anything natural better for strength than Prime. Just insane strength gains. PA has been great also. A1, MCC, and Prime ultimate strength stack for me and I used to compete in powerlifting eons ago.

Completely agreed! It's one of those products I don't mind buying a boat load cause I know i'll use it!

 

[KimChee]

I've thought this through a few separate times and have a few supplement favorites, but always come back to there must be a way to hit several pathways at once. Hormonal, Muscle Protein Synthesis, mTor, nitric oxide, myostatin, etc. There's obviously a lot of bro science here too.

Then looking at fat loss kind of the same thing.

How do you all look at stacking supplements? Just keep adding more things or look at specific pathways to make sure you're hitting different ones and not the same one every time?

I like what you’re thinking about the pathways for sure. But anymore I don’t even recognize most of the ingredients that go into the products. The supplement game has changed a lot and we se lucky to have SNS/Steve and people like Matt from Evomuse.