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UFC 105 Lesner vs. Carwin

Mulletsoldier said:
You sound bitter because you do not possess the athletic gifts necessary to cut weight and maintain stamina and strength. Excessive weight cuts (: 20lbs or more) may potentially be detrimental to one's health, but this is a difficult thing to substantiate.



Your point fails to recognize something very particular to the argument: namely, that everybody (see: everybody) has the ability to do so - i.e.,) it is complete fair and equitable from the standpoint of accessibility. That one individual may be able to implement this advantage to a greater degree than others is, quite literally, the inequality that lies at the very base of athletics itself: no matter how many rules are implemented, some individuals may do things others cannot. Get over it.

Attempting to normalize an entire league/sanctioned body because one individual possesses an ability another does not is by far the most ridiculous thing I have heard in some time. You know, Peyton Manning is a far more astute QB than most, and has the ability to read the defense prior to the snap: by your logic, we should require him to wear a blinder on one eye, so the "playing field is level".



Considering Mir was his second pro fight and he succeeded in brutally avenging that loss, I am not so sure that is a point you wish to make. And whether or not he has submission skills is entirely secondary to the fact he utilizes the skills he does have to a fantastic degree - particularly in nullifying Mir's submission skills, which I am sure you fetish.



I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say here, but: a super HW class is not going to happen. It in-itself implies "freak-show" and a lack of legitimacy which I can assure you the UFC is never going to implement. The fact is, you have absolutely no issue with Brock's physical gifts - you have an issue with his personality; and so, you are projecting your dislike for his personality onto his physicality, and calling it foul.

Rest assured, the word would be mum should your favorite fighter hold such a prominent legal weight advantage. Where were you when Thiago Alves was pushing 200lbs in his fight against Kos., who comes in most likely 20lbs lighter? Or what about Gleison Tibau? He has admitted in interviews that he is 25lbs - yes, 25lbs - heavier than his opponents on fight night.

The hypocrisy here is apparent.
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I wasnt sure if the bitter comment was at me or not but No I get to train daily with some of the best in the world,BANGed up and concussed from it right now but a knuckleheaded comment like that designed to insight is pretty telling about someones mentallity pretty lame
Maybe the local hero fighter in the wife beater comment hit close to home for some
 
Swaggerstick said:
I wasnt sure if the bitter comment was at me or not but No I get to train daily with some of the best in the world,BANGed up and concussed from it right now but a knuckleheaded comment like that designed to insight is pretty telling about someones mentallity pretty lame
Maybe the local hero fighter in the wife beater comment hit close to home for some
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You've officially become our newest troll. Nothing you say is coherent and you continue to ramble on about nothing.
 
I don't see why people even talk about his weight or size. so many guys cut weight and have done it 50 times they are used to it. jsut a few guys gas out in fights and its usually a few things why they did. if you fight heavy weight expectto be big damnit.

Lesner trains at a real camp with trainers and partners. they do everything other gyms do. You cant knock him at all besides when he talks. his training is great hes getting better and better. you really have no argument against him.

Rodja is right, he is a big Matt Hughes. Lesner has such sick long quick punches. IMO he defiantly deserved a shot as soon as he did because the division was weak at the time. Crop cop, AA, T sylvia all washed up at the time. I couldnt think of anyone better to get that shot.
 
Swaggerstick said:
Really?
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Swaggerstick said:
Really?
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"Really," what? Given your inability to communicate your thoughts efficiently - not a dig, but clearly something you admit to right now - I don't feel "comfortable" in ascribing some content to your, "really" comment. What is it, in particular, that you are disagreeing with. Saying Carwin has terrible footwork, or that his weight is more solid than Herring's, or any of these things, for that matter, are not controversial.
 
Swaggerstick said:
I was just reading The size and strength bridging the gap of inexperience part
you were refering to Brock?
Because that really was the only point that I was trying to make
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My point is in quite opposing fashion to yours: the points you quoted were claiming that "size and strength" alone - again, your point here - were not the only reasons why Brock won. In the case of Mir, he showed clear skill and technicality on the ground by flushing Mir's hips to the ground, therefore neutralizing his dangerous guard, and by completely controlling Mir's posture. Furthermore, the fact that Brock can and does use his size and strength is a skill in-itself.
 
I get what your saying and I dont completely disagree.
Brock getting the title shot because of a week division is really my point about it being contrived. Not necissarily earn as much as given by circumstance.But earned or not hes in the show he walks in the cage and he won. Does that mean I think hes the best heavy weight around no.To me all things being equal I dont think hes long for the belt maybe Im silly or maybe I know how talented some of the guys comming for him are either way time will tell
 
The HW division will always be on the thinner side due to the nature of the sport and how rare it is for an athlete to fit the criteria. There are some HW prospects coming down the pipeline, but it is very hard to say any of them are going to rise to championship status. It is going to take a very unique fighter to be able to match Brock's attributes and overcome his mix of power, reach, and wrestling.

IMO, the only one that I can see being able to challenge at some point is Duffee, but he still has a lot to improve upon in his game and reveal how he responds to adversity.
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X65lXqdbLIE"]YouTube - Marcus Jones pays tribute to The Ultimate Fighter experience[/ame]
Some can relate most probably not welcome to the future of the HW possible SHW division of the UFC

And hes a nice thoughtful humble man
 
Marcus Jones might be too old to be honest. I just dont see him reaching the level he needs to be at in time to be a real force in the UFC before he is too old.
 
I am glad a guy like lesner is taking advantage of what god gave him along with working his ass off - thats coming from a guy who dis likes him

Rodja and mullet - you guys are great and I enjoy reading your ownage. Do you two know each other outside of Anablolicminds?

Mullet do you fight pro?
 
Tomahawk88 said:
That is my 1 knock on him is age. He is what 34 or 35 with football damage.
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He's not going to stay around very long in the UFC. I've watched some of his fights on YouTube and he looks like a C-grade HW. Not to mention he has the cardio of Chris Farley.
 
Maybe that was a while ago,hes been in the gym since taping the show for a couple weeks now went to ADCC to help Pe de Pano, difference from then to now Night and day night and day.
Comments like that very telling what a joke LOL
 
Swaggerstick said:
Maybe that was a while ago,hes been in the gym since taping the show for a couple weeks went to ADCC to help Pe de Pano Night and day night and day.
Comments like that very telling what a joke LOL
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Putting him and Marcio in the same sentence when it comes to grappling is absurd. There's also a huge difference between being great in the gym and great in the cage. Joe Riggs is a perfect example of this.
 
Swaggerstick said:
Marcio asked him to fly out and help him with ADCC how is that absurd.
Clueless LOL
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Still not very bright I see. Putting those 2 in the same sentence in terms of grappling ability is absurd. You need some help extrapolating information.
 
No Tiger you need help with reading comprehention a comarison was not in that post in any way shape or form.

Were waiting for you to answer bigwhiteguys question
 
Swaggerstick said:
No Tiger you need help with reading comprehention a comarison was not in that post in any way shape or form.

Were waiting for you to answer bigwhiteguys question
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BWG, no.

And you really need some help with English. With your sentence structure, you insinuated that Marcus had improved enough to be at ADCC level. BTW, what does his jock smell like?
 
Swaggerstick said:
No Tiger you need help with reading comprehention a comarison was not in that post in any way shape or form.

Were waiting for you to answer bigwhiteguys question
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This is simply too juicy to resist. You are criticizing somebody for their reading comprehension while spelling "comprehension" "comparison" and "we're" wrong. Jesus christ. My hat is off to you, sir.
 
This is going to be a great fight and now the card just got better with the addition of Forrest Vs.Ortiz. Definatley pulling for Lesnar and Forrest
 
dude i know! I hope Forrest can get some payback from a couple years ago. He really needs a win here. I think tito is going to come in best shape in a long time but rusty in the cage.

i'm glad no one lately makes fun of my sentence structure and spelling, I'm terrible! I never even care when my sh!ts underlined in red hahaha hence the damn title of this thread! LMAO i put UFC 105, I'm still embarrassed about that sh!t!
 
I think those two are prob one in the same note the start date
If I didnt have spelling and gramatical errors whatever would you post about girlfriend
LAME
 
Swaggerstick said:
Show us where the comparison was
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Let's use a little logic here (you made need to read this several times to understand):
Someone is at the most elite level of any particular sport, would they bring someone at a novice level with them? No, they would bring someone of similar talent/ability to help them prepare. Ergo, by saying that Marcio brought Marcus to ADCC, you are in effect saying that Marcus is at a ADCC level.

This is called an inference in science. You may want to look that up to fully understand this statement.
 
Swaggerstick said:
Maybe that was a while ago,hes been in the gym since taping the show for a couple weeks now went to ADCC to help Pe de Pano, difference from then to now Night and day night and day.
Comments like that very telling what a joke LOL
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Thats a statement of fact Pe De asked Marcus to fly out and help him at ADCC. not a comparison cant be any clearer
Pe De and Marcus roll on a regular basis
Marcus is holding his own lately
Hope your not trying to state that Pe De dosnt know whos good enough to train with Pe De are you?
LOL just lame what more can be said
 
Swaggerstick said:
Thats a statement of fact Pe De asked Marcus to fly out and help him at ADCC. not a comparison cant be any clearer
Pe De and Marcus roll on a regular basis
Marcus is holding his own lately
Hope your not trying to state that Pe De dosnt know whos good enough to train with Pe De are you?
LOL just lame what more can be said
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How about that you have, once again, danced around the actual subject in an effort to rationalize your ludicrous statements?
 
Rodja said:
Let's use a little logic here (you made need to read this several times to understand):
Someone is at the most elite level of any particular sport, would they bring someone at a novice level with them? No, they would bring someone of similar talent/ability to help them prepare. Ergo, by saying that Marcio brought Marcus to ADCC, you are in effect saying that Marcus is at a ADCC level.

This is called an inference in science. You may want to look that up to fully understand this statement.
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Then break it down Barney style for me what didnt I get?
Im not saying Marcus is at anything I stated fact not speculation
You however speculate that Marcus is at a novice level
That Pe De doesnt know who is "talented/has the ability" to train with Pa De
I roll with these guys I was standing right there when it was discussed clueless and LAME
Love to play gotta go put some roadwork in have fun
LOL lame
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
dude i know! I hope Forrest can get some payback from a couple years ago. He really needs a win here. I think tito is going to come in best shape in a long time but rusty in the cage.

i'm glad no one lately makes fun of my sentence structure and spelling, I'm terrible! I never even care when my sh!ts underlined in red hahaha hence the damn title of this thread! LMAO i put UFC 105, I'm still embarrassed about that sh!t!
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Well i am horrible when it comes to grammer and spelling but the way I see it is, Im not being graded(if I am, the person grading it is a HUGE NERD...you know got picked on a lot when they were younger and now have become an Internet Warrior). Its not how it written, its what is written that counts.(as long as it can be translated)
 
Carwin and Forrest all the way. Lesner should have never got a title shot so early in his UFC career. I agree with 90% of the sh*t Dana does for the UFC but i think he didn't put Lesner through the ranks like all the other new fighters. And with the loss against Mir he should have had to wait even longer. Then he gets the title and comes back and bashes a major sponsor??? SERIOUSLY!!! What a d*ckhead!

I think it just shows how bad the HW division is currently... and I am not impressed with the canadites in TUF either.
 
dude carwin only really beat 1 good guy right? same with cain. each guy i really like but only beat 1 tough guy. they are just the future of the division.

I am glad forrest is going to fight tito and it made this even better card
 
Swaggerstick said:
Then break it down Barney style for me what didnt I get?
Im not saying Marcus is at anything I stated fact not speculation
You however speculate that Marcus is at a novice level
That Pe De doesnt know who is "talented/has the ability" to train with Pa De
I roll with these guys I was standing right there when it was discussed clueless and LAME
Love to play gotta go put some roadwork in have fun
LOL lame
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You are about the most dense and incoherent person that has ever posted on here (considering that CNorris used to troll here, this is saying a lot). I say one thing and you twist into something completely different and off topic. Like I said to you earlier, you continue to dance the subject.
 
sonofsteven said:
I dont slam on him because I think he is talentless , I slam on him because immature douchebag who is does not really seem to know what real sportsmanship is .
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The best way to say it is Lesner is a GOOF!
I'm sure someone will say that I would not say it to his face. Truth is he's such a big f$k that if I did say it to him I would have to commit to kicken his nutz up unto his throat before hand . That guys probably got a 300lb punch ,but after his nutz r in his throat he would be like a helpless sack on concrete. lol
 
ChrisSanderso said:
The best way to say it is Lesner is a GOOF!
I'm sure someone will say that I would not say it to his face. Truth is he's such a big f$k that if I did say it to him I would have to commit to kicken his nutz up unto his throat before hand . That guys probably got a 300lb punch ,but after his nutz r in his throat he would be like a helpless sack on concrete. lol
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well after u boot him in the nuts... u should deff run away fast cause if he caught u.. well you would most likely end up looking worse then mir did lol
 
ChrisSanderso said:
The best way to say it is Lesner is a GOOF!
I'm sure someone will say that I would not say it to his face. Truth is he's such a big f$k that if I did say it to him I would have to commit to kicken his nutz up unto his throat before hand . That guys probably got a 300lb punch ,but after his nutz r in his throat he would be like a helpless sack on concrete. lol
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LOL.

I think you've forgotten that his wife could probably beat your ass. :D
 
brock all the way. no doubt. probably 2nd round but its not going to decision and no way carwin takes him. sure hes undefeated but lets be honest. as much as lesnar cant throw kicks and gets sloppy on the ground. hes effective. i think he's gonna take carwin a bit light at first but a few good shots to him will bring his head right back into it. i'm thinking a right hook KO victory
 
yo Shane Carwin hits hard as hell and his hands are even bigger than brock's. If you havent seen Shane's fights then check them out, im telling you its a 50/50 chance for this fight that brock will take a nap
 
AntonG42O said:
yo Shane Carwin hits hard as hell and his hands are even bigger than brock's. If you havent seen Shane's fights then check them out, im telling you its a 50/50 chance for this fight that brock will take a nap
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As much as I want Lesnar to lose , I must admit that these guys both have such huge power that whoever lands first will probably win . neither one is the most technical of strikers but brock might be a little quicker . both have eaten some solid shots from Gonzaga and Mir so they at least have decent chins . 50\50 is a good way to put it . If I bet with my head and not with my heart I would go with Lesnar via that gorillahumpinghammerfisting he has gotten so good at . Round 1 .
 
Vance said:
LOL.

I think you've forgotten that his wife could probably beat your ass. :D
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I would do that fight for free. I would love that ****. She could even use weapons, I'm telling ya 100% the 8 " snake would find his way home in that match. If ya don't believe me ask macho-man where Elizabeth is now.

Thats right swingin from my nutz
 
Oh NOZ! Lesnar's out!
Well, this is terrible news. According to Yahoo! Sports, Brock Lesnar has pulled out of his heavyweight title defense at UFC 106 due to an illness that has sidelined him for "more than three-and-a-half weeks." Lesnar reportedly told Dana White that he's never been this sick before, but White, who is not in any way a medical doctor, says he does not believe it's the Swine Flu, though the Yahoo! article doesn't say what prompted that diagnosis.
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