Can't find it anywhere anymore, I was able to find it a couple months ago. Any SNS reps able to chime in?
Anyone know of a place to buy TTA in bulk?
Anyone know of a place to buy TTA in bulk?
I looked at bulkpowders tta and it’s not available on their US site, only UK for some reason...before 6 months i asked sns at fb and told me that it is out of stock currently.. and will be back in few months . i dont think that is discontinued..you can look at bulk powders to thermogenic stimulant free fat burner . this sup got TTA and other goods like carnitine.. the only negative is that bulk's tta hasnt got electrolytes like the sns's
yea and the good thing is that tta is very effective sup to fat loss.. at lest from my expirience... why none of new companys dont use them to their fat burners suppsI looked at bulkpowders tta and it’s not available on their US site, only UK for some reason...
I wonder if it’s a global supply issue. I noticed over the years TTA500 mysteriously goes out of stock then comes back later.
Might try cardarine I guess.
I believe it's banned as a supplement in the US, that's why it doesn't shows up on the US Bulkpowders site.I looked at bulkpowders tta and it’s not available on their US site, only UK for some reason...
I wonder if it’s a global supply issue. I noticed over the years TTA500 mysteriously goes out of stock then comes back later.
Might try cardarine I guess.
I don't know but I remember from back in the days a report from FDA and Big pharma had on eye on it.How is SNS able to still sell it then?
I believe it's banned as a supplement in the US, that's why it doesn't shows up on the US Bulkpowders site.
^^^^ TTA is not and has never been banned in the US. That was a rumor started by companies to explain their own out of stock issues at the time. Sorry to be blunt and I'm not saying that to put anyone down, but thats just the truth.I don't know but I remember from back in the days a report from FDA and Big pharma had on eye on it.
Well I had the one by Sns and the one by the UK supplier (you can buy electrolytes for a few quids more), and I honestly have not seen a difference. The UK supplier also offers CoAs and lab tests for their products.
Not saying that what you say is "untrue", but I really have a hard time to believe that the mentioned UK supplier offers a product which is far off or has subpar quality. This company is top notch and I can't believe that they make up their stuff.
Thank you. I hope that we will continue to be able to offer it. I'm a big fan of the product myself.I hope your guys's new supplier works out well. TTA-500 has been one of my favorite supps for years and I'm glad SNS has kept it on the market when other's have taken it off.
It makes all sense, don't worry. I am just talking about the company and they provide the certificate if you ask them by mail. And actually I do believe and hope that it is an old stock, because they do not provide their "non stimulant fat burner" any longer which contains also TTA.I'm sorry if you have a hard time believing that. I stated several times that I don't like to speak negatively of anyone else's products. The original poster was asking specifically about our product - he even asked about it by name. You mentioned another product in the thread which was why I said it made it awkward to answer the posters question because I didn't want to come off speaking negatively about anyone else's product. I really tried to go out of my way to be polite in my answer.
There are multiple explanations that could explain the other company still offering it. If they rely on COA's, their supplier could have supplied an inaccurate COA claiming to be a higher level of purity than what it was; hopefully thats not the case bc I hate to see that happen to anyone. Even if that is the case, say for example its 92% like one of the ones that we tested, that may be acceptable for some companies faced with a dilemma of it being either 92% or not offering it at all. Notice that their wording on the UK site says that it is for someone looking for a 100% TTA supplement; they do not claim that the percentage of purity is 100% (which is impossible with TTA anyway; by independent lab standards, 98%+ on TTA is considered a perfect score). BUT hopefully its a case of where they've had the raw materials for a long time and purchased them before the factory closed. This very well may be the case since their US site shows them out of stock on TTA.
If you are saying that you don't believe my entire post, quality TTA raw materials being hard to come by and the price volatility has long been known and common in this industry. That isn't anything new. It just used to be a case of when the couple of factories were out, there weren't any quality raws available and there were quite a few times brokers would buy up remaining raws and sell them for insane prices like I explained in my original post. This is why most companies discontinued TTA products long ago because it makes retailers mad when you're out of stock for prolonged periods of time.
Please understand that as a company we do not choose to be out of stock of a product for a prolonged period of time for no reason. Being out of stock on something costs us money. If there were quality raw materials available, we wouldn't have been out of stock on it for so long.
I hope all of this makes sense.
Yeah assuming proper storage (no excessive heat or humidity) you should be fineI have two bottles of SNS TTA-500 one is have full other is sealed new. Exp date 7/2016 im guessing sealed one is still good is the half open ok ?
When will TTA return?^^^^ TTA is not and has never been banned in the US. That was a rumor started by companies to explain their own out of stock issues at the time. Sorry to be blunt and I'm not saying that to put anyone down, but thats just the truth.
It's unknown when or if TTA will ever be back as an ingredient. The reason is that in China, there were two primary factories that made TTA. When China cracked down on pollution, one factory was closed by the government. The other factory stopped making many items, including TTA and said they would only ever make it again if there was a very large order. As good of an ingredient as TTA is, it was never a huge seller so the likelihood of any company investing that much into it is slim.When will TTA return?
Say the samples were coming in at 90%. What is the other 10%? Is it something that is safe? I mean we take 40% ARA and all consider that GREAT because it is better than the 10% ARA lol.It's unknown when or if TTA will ever be back as an ingredient. The reason is that in China, there were two primary factories that made TTA. When China cracked down on pollution, one factory was closed by the government. The other factory stopped making many items, including TTA and said they would only ever make it again if there was a very large order. As good of an ingredient as TTA is, it was never a huge seller so the likelihood of any company investing that much into it is slim.
There's always the common question - why doesn't another factory just make it? We thought that too and its apparently a pretty hard compound to get a high purity level on. We tried to get it made at several places and the purity level wasn't high enough to be acceptable to us. We also tested samples from a couple places claiming to offer it and they weren't either, they were actually much worse (less than 90% pure).
If/when high quality TTA raw materials ever become available again, we would definitely love to be able to offer it. But we aren't willing to sacrifice quality in order to be able to.
I agree but for many things the "other" stuff is not harmful ie ARA, EPA/DHA and the remaining % of fish oil are two that come to mind. Most CLA is about 70%. As long as the other stuff in the TTA is health neutral I would happily use a product that was 80-90% if that was the only feasible option.For some things purity is a must.!
I agree but for many things the "other" stuff is not harmful ie ARA, EPA/DHA and the remaining % of fish oil are two that come to mind. Most CLA is about 70%. As long as the other stuff in the TTA is health neutral I would happily use a product that was 80-90% if that was the only feasible option.For some things purity is a must.!
For ARA, active ARA is standardized from total ARA oil so you have an active constituent content.Say the samples were coming in at 90%. What is the other 10%? Is it something that is safe? I mean we take 40% ARA and all consider that GREAT because it is better than the 10% ARA lol.
What I am saying is that I think some of us would be happy to have 90% TTA as long as the other 10% was not harmful.
I have not. I think that's what makes TTA so unique in my opinion.Have you come across anything that works in a similar fashion? I believe the MOA of TTA was semi-unique if I am remembering correctly.
Thanks for asking. I wish there was, but to my knowledge, there is still no one making legit TTA raw materials.@sns8778 any updates on ETA of TTA coming back?
The actual manufacturing facilities in China that produced the raw materials is not making the ingredient. NutraCap is a raw material vendor but they do not make ingredients. So when the ingredient they distribute isn't being made, like TTA, everyone's kind of in the same spot.Ever thought about sourcing TTA from Carbosynth or NutraCapLabs? Both are reliable and trusted labs and their price appears to be decent.
Are sure we're talking the same ingredient? I saw them talking about an Adenosine one. But not TTA. If they, or anyone, is looking to do a TTA, I would encourage them to not believe any COA's and pay to have the actual kg's (not just a sample) independently tested.Apex alchemy is looking to put it out as a transdermal
My bad, you’re correct. TAAAre sure we're talking the same ingredient? I saw them talking about an Adenosine one. But not TTA. If they, or anyone, is looking to do a TTA, I would encourage them to not believe any COA's and pay to have the actual kg's (not just a sample) independently tested.
No problem at all. That's what I thought. Because honestly, if this raw material ever became available again, the supplier would be crazy not to seek us out on it bc I'm pretty sure we did more volume than anyone on it. And I know the primary factories that made it literally have us down to contact if they ever make it again.My bad, you’re correct. TAA
Thank you.It's a shame TTA has gone out of stock/production. I trust @sns8778's word when he talks about supply issues. @sns8778 keep us posted if you ever find it back in stock again.
Are you actively looking for it regularly to find out if it's come back in stock or have you basically just given up on it?
CLA is an ingredient that has a similar method of action but isn't as potent.
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He meant TAAAre sure we're talking the same ingredient? I saw them talking about an Adenosine one. But not TTA. If they, or anyone, is looking to do a TTA, I would encourage them to not believe any COA's and pay to have the actual kg's (not just a sample) independently tested.
Thank you.
CLA isn't popular here on AM but we actually do make one - CLA Xtreme. I'm not sure a lot of people here even realize it.
I have great relationships with many raw material suppliers and they all know to let me know if its ever available. And we do still periodically check. Even the main factory that made it before knows to contact us if they ever do again. And really if any supplier made it, they'd be crazy not to contact us bc of the volume we did with it.
I'll definitely keep everyone updated if its ever available again.
I have a great relationship with NNB and fans of theirs will be very happy with some of our future products.@sns8778 As I mentioned L-Baiba in my last post, the company that manufactures it (NNB Nutrition) crossed my mind. Today I took the time to dig around their site. It seems to be a pretty new company though, but I have to say that the ingredients they’re working on are quite innovative (L-Baiba, L- Ergothioneine, Dihydroberberine, just to name a few), they really seem to be thinking out of the box as compared to other companies. I’ve only tried two of their stuff from Alpha Lion: L-Baiba and Dihydroberberine. Their Dihydroberberine taken pre-workout is the business!!!
I read about how they make their ingredients and damn their stuff is pretty high tech, so this made me wonder if they could possibly produce high quality and purity TTA???? On their site, it states that:
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really hope L-BAIBA is in the works!I have a great relationship with NNB and fans of theirs will be very happy with some of our future products.
(But I don't think you'll see a TTA from them).
I have great relationships with a lot of branded ingredient companies but I don't think you'll see any of them do a TTA and there are good reasons. The primary one is that when TTA was being made on a large scale, it already cost so much that it was very expensive for single ingredient standards. People don't realize that we took a very low margin on this to make it available at the price that we did. If a branded ingredient company were to make it, they likely wouldn't start off making it on as large of a scale as the company that did it in the past so the production cost would higher and then they would have to make more markup on their end to allow for marketing on it, studies, etc. By the time this happened, it wouldn't be available at a price anyone would likely be interested in.
The last I checked - to have this custom made without running it in the metric tons, the cost per kg. was over 300.00 per kg. Think about it like this - one bottle of TTA-500 had 60 grams of TTA in it (120 caps x 500 mg.). That means that 1 kg. would make approximately 16.5 bottles. So at 300 per kg., just the raw material cost alone would be 18.20 per bottle before shipping, encapsulating, bottling, etc.
Here are some cliff notes on TTA production:
There are some raw materials that almost any facility can make and there are some that they can't. It's not so much that they can't, they just can't at a reasonable price because of a variety of production factors. That's why some ingredients have to be done in massive production sizes for the prices to be decent. And unfortunately, as much as some of us like TTA, overall, the demand isn't there on that scale. Plus, from what I was told, TTA production also creates some type of waste that isn't considered environmentally friendly and that is another consideration in todays world. (Don't hold me to that one; thats just something I was told by a factory).
Overall, I promise that no one wants this available again more than me because I have probably a thousand dollars tied up in labels that are just sitting on a shelf for it.
L-Baiba made its comeback a while ago though. Alpha Lion has been carrying it for months nowreally hope L-BAIBA is in the works!
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