Barbell500
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Ehh, i could have been ok with 30, but 45 works much betterBasso said:Is that necessary or are you just checking how you react?
TST/Trn/PMAX 4 weeker...
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12many
New member
3clipseGT said:
Agree 100%
Update: The Get Jacked Stack
Day 23 of cycle. Up 20lbs LBM. I've 2x exceeded my original goal of 10lbs of LBM in one half the time. Was shooting for 10lbs in 6 wks, well, I blew that outta the water. I could never have been happier with any cycle than I am with this one.
Zero sides, great attitude, restful sleep, uber-uber-alpha male extreme attitude, superdrol and thryo combination is INSANE, I think it rivals the best cutting agents out there, at least IMO.
Thyrotabs, I will stock up my entire basement with these babies. Kudos to Gaspari for these.
Cycle RATING: 20 out of 10
Keep your hair, blow your libido through the roof, get jacked, and have no sides, does it get any better? No sir!
PS: bp no different than started 23 days ago, and positive the liver is intact 100% (esp tells me).
~12many~
3clipseGT
On my grind
12many said:
I just did an insane cycle kinda with superdrol and m-tren/m-test with Omega Burned and the thyro tabs. I went from about 180 to start to anywhere from 188-192 depending on how much i had eaten by the time i weighed myself, and dropped an insane amount of fat. I was in just shock of my body composition change and when I myself see it, you know its big!
kjkriston
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OKay....unfortunately I dont have much to report except some OK pumps....barely above normal...no increase in strength out of normal. I'm up 3 lbs in nearly 2 weeks at 30mgs......maybe I'ma non-responder. Guess I'll sell my extra bottle for an outrageous price to a dumb friend....lol.. Not gonna stop untill 3 weeks is up then on to the TST-Trn and I cant WAIT! Hoping that makes up for all this time spent on PMAX........ Not calling this a fake by any means.....just found a chem I dont respond to.....maybe I'm a late bloomer..?
12many
New member
Day 28 here. +24lbs LBM.
Started 170lbs, now at 194lbs. Exceeded my original goal of 10lbs of LBM by 2.4X :fool2:
Vascularity: A1
Libido: A1
BF Level: decline to comment due to individuals who cannot grasp the LOW number
Sides: ZERO.....ZERO.....ZERO
Health: perfect sleep, huge pumps, great bp value (see below)
Other: Uber-crazy-alpha-male-i'llkicku'ra$$ attitude!
BP: 112/72
My cycle:
MTRN - 6mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
HMAX - 50mg/day (wks 1 - 4)
MZOL - 200mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
superdrol - 10mg/day (wk 4) and 20mg/day (5&6 after HMAX is ended)
Thyrotabs - 3tabs/day (wks 2 - 6)
Letro - .50mg ed (wks 1 - 6 then post cycle therapy with Nolva etc)
Cycle Note: Watch closely for biatchteets!
Cliff Notes: I do not recommend the "above" cycle. MAIN REASON: few have the luck or "whatever you want to call it" to have perfect pre and post bloodwork from several oral cycles (over time), as I've had. I call it good genes, great planning, good precautionary meansures, and excellent cardiovascular health, but I'll keep my opinions to myself.
I was not impressed with the MTST (mostly a wet compound IMO), so I dumped it at the end of Wk 2. The MZOL, IMO, is so-so, I'm not all that impressed with it either. I went 3 wks at 150mg/day. At the start of wk 4, I bumped it to 200mg/day, and I've been at this dosae for a week now. No big changes worth noting. I might even drop it this weekend; I have a LOT of ALRI Prostanozol that I can use in future cycles to judge if it may be better than the GL MZOL.
Thus far, I've determined the ALRI Methoxy-TRN and GL MTRN are identical. Like I said, I'm not positive on the MZOL, maybe I'm not a big responder to it. The superdrol, well, what's there to say, it's kicking A$$ once again at a low 10mg/day :cheers:
Tomorrow, the HMAX is done; it's been 4wks now. I do believe it is the same as HD50, but I would not GUARANTEE it is IDENTICAL. I did have GREAT luck on an HD50/Orastan (Prostan) cycle months back, and the results this cycle have been nothing short of amazing!
Tomorrow, begins the last phase (2 wks left) of this journey:
SD - 20mg/day
MTRN - 6mg/day
MZOL - 200mg/day
Letro - .50mg/day
Good bye until next time for the HMAX.
To recap, I'll rate everyting on a scale of 1 to 10 (best):
HMAX - 8 (Hammer Sports brand is probably = HD50 late model)
SD - 9.5
MTRN - 10+ (best oral ever made, hands down. and works AWESOME with SD)
MTST - 2 (extra bottles to shelf for the rats)
MZOL - 5 (will try the ALRI stuff again next cycle to judge GL's product against the real deal)
Thyrotabs - personal biga$$ thumbs up to Gaspari! LOVE THESE!
Letro - wouldn't go without it. My body is used to it now, and I notice no sides from taking it.
I know my body VERY well, I've adjusted the cycle on the fly as needed, and I've felt great all the way through today (end of wk 4). I've got some excellent ideas for another cycle in a few months, but I don't want to get any bigger...LOL. Oh well, maybe bionic rats could use my ideas.
~12many~
Started 170lbs, now at 194lbs. Exceeded my original goal of 10lbs of LBM by 2.4X :fool2:
Vascularity: A1
Libido: A1
BF Level: decline to comment due to individuals who cannot grasp the LOW number
Sides: ZERO.....ZERO.....ZERO
Health: perfect sleep, huge pumps, great bp value (see below)
Other: Uber-crazy-alpha-male-i'llkicku'ra$$ attitude!
BP: 112/72
My cycle:
MTRN - 6mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
HMAX - 50mg/day (wks 1 - 4)
MZOL - 200mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
superdrol - 10mg/day (wk 4) and 20mg/day (5&6 after HMAX is ended)
Thyrotabs - 3tabs/day (wks 2 - 6)
Letro - .50mg ed (wks 1 - 6 then post cycle therapy with Nolva etc)
Cycle Note: Watch closely for biatchteets!
Cliff Notes: I do not recommend the "above" cycle. MAIN REASON: few have the luck or "whatever you want to call it" to have perfect pre and post bloodwork from several oral cycles (over time), as I've had. I call it good genes, great planning, good precautionary meansures, and excellent cardiovascular health, but I'll keep my opinions to myself.
I was not impressed with the MTST (mostly a wet compound IMO), so I dumped it at the end of Wk 2. The MZOL, IMO, is so-so, I'm not all that impressed with it either. I went 3 wks at 150mg/day. At the start of wk 4, I bumped it to 200mg/day, and I've been at this dosae for a week now. No big changes worth noting. I might even drop it this weekend; I have a LOT of ALRI Prostanozol that I can use in future cycles to judge if it may be better than the GL MZOL.
Thus far, I've determined the ALRI Methoxy-TRN and GL MTRN are identical. Like I said, I'm not positive on the MZOL, maybe I'm not a big responder to it. The superdrol, well, what's there to say, it's kicking A$$ once again at a low 10mg/day :cheers:
Tomorrow, the HMAX is done; it's been 4wks now. I do believe it is the same as HD50, but I would not GUARANTEE it is IDENTICAL. I did have GREAT luck on an HD50/Orastan (Prostan) cycle months back, and the results this cycle have been nothing short of amazing!
Tomorrow, begins the last phase (2 wks left) of this journey:
SD - 20mg/day
MTRN - 6mg/day
MZOL - 200mg/day
Letro - .50mg/day
Good bye until next time for the HMAX.
To recap, I'll rate everyting on a scale of 1 to 10 (best):
HMAX - 8 (Hammer Sports brand is probably = HD50 late model)
SD - 9.5
MTRN - 10+ (best oral ever made, hands down. and works AWESOME with SD)
MTST - 2 (extra bottles to shelf for the rats)
MZOL - 5 (will try the ALRI stuff again next cycle to judge GL's product against the real deal)
Thyrotabs - personal biga$$ thumbs up to Gaspari! LOVE THESE!
Letro - wouldn't go without it. My body is used to it now, and I notice no sides from taking it.
I know my body VERY well, I've adjusted the cycle on the fly as needed, and I've felt great all the way through today (end of wk 4). I've got some excellent ideas for another cycle in a few months, but I don't want to get any bigger...LOL. Oh well, maybe bionic rats could use my ideas.
~12many~
3clipseGT
On my grind
12many said:
I too was not all that impressed with m-test. I used it at the rec dosage and didnt see much at all, then i double dosed it and got slight libido increase but nothing great. M-Trn i love, burns some fat, gives you killer strength gains and puts LBM on well.
On edit: Wrote mtst when i meant mtrn. lol
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mixedup
Well-known member
3clipseGT said:
OK glad it's not just me I have really seen anything out of the M-TST and I have been on 6mg for the last 18 days.
Kriston: I bumped to 40mg about a week ago and have felt like a monster this week all weights Way up. What I was maxing on bench at start of cycle i got 2sets of 4 reps easy.
12many
New member
I'm on the last (2) wks of my cycle, and I'm going out with style:
MTRN - 6mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
MZOL - 200mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
Superdrol - 20mg/day
Thyrotabs - 3tabs/day
Letro - .50mg eod
I've made changes on the fly, and the cycle as I have it now for the next (2) weeks is optimal for me to end it all. I have had ZERO side effects, huge libido, the attitude is insane, and the thyrotabs make you feel "warm" all the time. The BP has been excellent since Day 1 and has always been well below "normal".
The next time I run a cycle (toward end of year), it'll look exactly like this:
Wks 1-4:
HD50: 50mg/day
ALRI Methoxy-TRN: 6mg/day
ALRI Prostanozol: 150mg/day
superdrol: 10mg/day <<---starting WEEK 4
Thyrotabs: 3/day
Letro: .50mg eod
Wks 5-6:
ALRI Methoxy-TRN: 6mg/day
ALRI Prostanozol: 200mg/day
superdrol: 20mg/day
Thyrotabs: 3/day
Letro: .50mg eod
Lessons learned and/or other comments:
-MTST is not worthy of my money. It did little for me on the Methoxy-TRN/MTST cycle months back, and it proved itself equally as unworthy this time around.
-MTRN is God! :head:
-MZOL took 8-10 days to kick in, but it doesn't have a real pronounced affect on me. The next time around, I will run the ALRI Prostanozol and see if I get different results. I want to prove the GL stuff either "as good or not"
-HMAX appears to be similar to HD50, as I got about the same feeling/results with the HMAX as I did with the HD50 months back. The next cycle, however, I'll run HD50 to try and solidify these comments.
-I am a big fan of ALRI and Gaspari. The thyrotabs themselves have a "prohormone" in them, and they work WELL. It takes a good week for them to "kick in", but you will know when they do. Feel free to be safe and not take more than 3 thyrotabs/day, though.
In regards to the GL products, their MTRN is undoubtedly the same as the ALRI Methoxy-TRN I've used. About their MZOL, I am still hanging on the fence not able to make a judgment call. The next cycle, as I stated, will include ALRI Prostanozol in place of the GL MZOL. If I have the same results, I'll have to conclude they are equivalent, but I'm not a big responder to them. NOTE: I DO THINK they work, but they do not have a real pronounced affect on me even at 200mg/day. The next cycle will be the determining factor on MZOL.
These last (2) weeks are the "ultimate" hardening, chiseling, cutting weeks.
superdrol - dry
MTRN - dry
MZOL - dry
Thyrotabs - oh yeah, baby!
Letro - good prevention and major diuretic
I do not care who says that cycling letro or other (and thereby obliterating estrogen) during cycle hinders gains. I would take this with a HUGE GRAIN OF SALT! Letro didn't hurt me at +25lbs LBM in 29 days!!!
Original goal: 10lbs LBM, major vascularity, increased muscle striation, total clean 6 week lean bulk cycle.
4 weeks ago:
5'11"
170lbs
bf - under 5%
Current stats 29 days later:
195lbs
bf - insanely under 5%
Exceeded original goal by over 2X and 1/2 way through the cycle. I'm now 2.5X my original goal at 2/3 way through the cycle.
Ancillaries (preloaded 1.5 months ahead and will be used through post cycle therapy) include:
Hawthorne: 1700mg (1.7g)/day
Celery Seed: 1350mg (1.35g)/day - adjusted as needed
Flax Oil: 2000mg (2g)/day
Vitamin C: 1000mg (1g)/day
Vitamin B-6: 200mg/day
Vitamin B-12: 1000mcg/day
Fish Oil w/ 30mg COQ 10: 3 softgels/day
Milk Thistle: 2000mg (2g)/day
Saw Palmetto: 1620mg (1.62g)/day
Garlic: 900mg/day
Vitamin E: 400 I.U.
Niacin: 400mg/day
Red Yeast Rice: 1200mg (1.2g)/day
Taurine: 3000mg (3g)/day - adjusted as needed
Mega Man Sports Multivitamin: 2 caplets/day
Protein used: Ergo GF-PRO (BEST IMO): 325+ grams/day
Diet: (would take a JcPenney catalog to detail)
post cycle therapy: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and ALL ancillaries listed above.
Rating: 20 out of 10. I'm very proud of my accomplishments. I'll continue to "give err H3LL" over the next couple of weeks and hope to keep 85% during post cycle therapy. Thou shalt see.......
Peace
~12many~ all the way through
MTRN - 6mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
MZOL - 200mg/day (wks 1 - 6)
Superdrol - 20mg/day
Thyrotabs - 3tabs/day
Letro - .50mg eod
I've made changes on the fly, and the cycle as I have it now for the next (2) weeks is optimal for me to end it all. I have had ZERO side effects, huge libido, the attitude is insane, and the thyrotabs make you feel "warm" all the time. The BP has been excellent since Day 1 and has always been well below "normal".
The next time I run a cycle (toward end of year), it'll look exactly like this:
Wks 1-4:
HD50: 50mg/day
ALRI Methoxy-TRN: 6mg/day
ALRI Prostanozol: 150mg/day
superdrol: 10mg/day <<---starting WEEK 4
Thyrotabs: 3/day
Letro: .50mg eod
Wks 5-6:
ALRI Methoxy-TRN: 6mg/day
ALRI Prostanozol: 200mg/day
superdrol: 20mg/day
Thyrotabs: 3/day
Letro: .50mg eod
Lessons learned and/or other comments:
-MTST is not worthy of my money. It did little for me on the Methoxy-TRN/MTST cycle months back, and it proved itself equally as unworthy this time around.
-MTRN is God! :head:
-MZOL took 8-10 days to kick in, but it doesn't have a real pronounced affect on me. The next time around, I will run the ALRI Prostanozol and see if I get different results. I want to prove the GL stuff either "as good or not"
-HMAX appears to be similar to HD50, as I got about the same feeling/results with the HMAX as I did with the HD50 months back. The next cycle, however, I'll run HD50 to try and solidify these comments.
-I am a big fan of ALRI and Gaspari. The thyrotabs themselves have a "prohormone" in them, and they work WELL. It takes a good week for them to "kick in", but you will know when they do. Feel free to be safe and not take more than 3 thyrotabs/day, though.
In regards to the GL products, their MTRN is undoubtedly the same as the ALRI Methoxy-TRN I've used. About their MZOL, I am still hanging on the fence not able to make a judgment call. The next cycle, as I stated, will include ALRI Prostanozol in place of the GL MZOL. If I have the same results, I'll have to conclude they are equivalent, but I'm not a big responder to them. NOTE: I DO THINK they work, but they do not have a real pronounced affect on me even at 200mg/day. The next cycle will be the determining factor on MZOL.
These last (2) weeks are the "ultimate" hardening, chiseling, cutting weeks.
superdrol - dry
MTRN - dry
MZOL - dry
Thyrotabs - oh yeah, baby!
Letro - good prevention and major diuretic
I do not care who says that cycling letro or other (and thereby obliterating estrogen) during cycle hinders gains. I would take this with a HUGE GRAIN OF SALT! Letro didn't hurt me at +25lbs LBM in 29 days!!!
Original goal: 10lbs LBM, major vascularity, increased muscle striation, total clean 6 week lean bulk cycle.
4 weeks ago:
5'11"
170lbs
bf - under 5%
Current stats 29 days later:
195lbs
bf - insanely under 5%
Exceeded original goal by over 2X and 1/2 way through the cycle. I'm now 2.5X my original goal at 2/3 way through the cycle.
Ancillaries (preloaded 1.5 months ahead and will be used through post cycle therapy) include:
Hawthorne: 1700mg (1.7g)/day
Celery Seed: 1350mg (1.35g)/day - adjusted as needed
Flax Oil: 2000mg (2g)/day
Vitamin C: 1000mg (1g)/day
Vitamin B-6: 200mg/day
Vitamin B-12: 1000mcg/day
Fish Oil w/ 30mg COQ 10: 3 softgels/day
Milk Thistle: 2000mg (2g)/day
Saw Palmetto: 1620mg (1.62g)/day
Garlic: 900mg/day
Vitamin E: 400 I.U.
Niacin: 400mg/day
Red Yeast Rice: 1200mg (1.2g)/day
Taurine: 3000mg (3g)/day - adjusted as needed
Mega Man Sports Multivitamin: 2 caplets/day
Protein used: Ergo GF-PRO (BEST IMO): 325+ grams/day
Diet: (would take a JcPenney catalog to detail)
post cycle therapy: Nolva 40/40/20/20 and ALL ancillaries listed above.
Rating: 20 out of 10. I'm very proud of my accomplishments. I'll continue to "give err H3LL" over the next couple of weeks and hope to keep 85% during post cycle therapy. Thou shalt see.......
Peace
~12many~ all the way through
kjkriston
Board Supporter
Now at 40mg PMax and 6mg ED TST-Trn. 6 days left of Pmax....very dissapointed overall.....can wait for the Trn to kick in. Im on day 2 of that stack. Will adjust if need be if I encounter any intolerable sides. Believe it or not my wight has fluctuated up and down the whole time on Pmax and have had no signifigant strength gains.....just didn't work for me at all. Bad luck fr me I guess. Only reason I'm gonna finish it out is hopes of something this third week.
mixedup
Well-known member
how many days have you been on now? Just remember it took at least 11 days for everything to kick in for me on pp and I noticed the best gains days 14-20 hopefully the 40 kicks for you like it did for me. the TRN should kick faster BTw i have barely gained any weight on the pp/tst stack maybe 2-3 lbs in the last 3 weeks the only way i know it's working is my max weights have gone up and the mirror and comments i've been getting
kjkriston
Board Supporter
I am on day 15 of Pmax.....I should say I've noticed a small increase in pumps. But like I said....nothing great. I heard the trn kicks in quick. Super excited. I am however weary of the TST. Seems like most people said it didn't do much. Any opinion on it?mixedup said:
mixedup
Well-known member
kjkriston said:
TST seems to be either a love it or nothing compound so far on the board I believe mr 50 really loved it and others like me didn't seem much from it. I ran it at 6mgs for the last 20 days and i'm just a non responder to that compound it seems. But TRN and TST are supposed to work well together so maybe you will have good luck on that either way wishing you the best of luck and i'm sure the TRN will do you good it's the best otc i've seen in a looooong while and the best post ban
kjkriston
Board Supporter
Thanks for the posts man.....real excited about the next 4 weeks.....god...thats 6 weeks of pct.....i hate pct.....Need to always be ON....lol.....anyway...I'll def. keep posting when I get the chance and update on my progress....looking to drop some BF and up the strength on this one.
Smoky
Banned
kjkriston said:
40mg pmax will get it done albeit my research went to 60mg and cleanly as far as sides were concerned. Dropped it back to 40 when TRN came on board though. TsT for me was 6 on a scale of 10 being the top. Mzol for me is a 2. AX_prostan which always did me well @100 where as I have run the Mzol @200 and switched up to TST, as I was so disappointed with it. Next run will be the AX version.
I like the fusion that can be created with some of these designers. Careful we must be but potential abounds, with wisely planned and executed post cycle therapy. Some of us have iron constitutions and some don't. Just the facts. Get the post cycle therapy you need!
edit: mg
Smoky
Banned
my biggest cocncern was Cholesterol levels and sugar. And yes numbers were good at maybe 5th week of post cycle therapy. I had posted the numbers in my log as well as thread concerning results and orals. The thread name escapes me at this moment. More than likely someone knows it. My biggest concern has always been BP which ancillaries take care of. TRN was the roughest in that respect of any. Also gave me insomnia. Not sure I will run it again. Superdrol was easier for me all around.
kjkriston
Board Supporter
Well, good news everyone, I finally started to feel ON with tonights chest workout. Not insane or anything but a definite strength gain, and pretty above normal pump. Dont know if its the 40mg of PP or the Trn kicking in already, its only been three days so i doubt it, butI finally felt something. Its taken a damn long time but now I am actually excited for my next workouts. Intensity was upa bit too today. Also weighed 5 lbs up from start. Looking forward to the next 4 weeks.
BigMattTx
Active member
kjkriston said:
TRN did not give me an "on cycle" feeling. I tried ergomax a while back which is similar to PP and you can bet your ass it did. Also, TRN did not give me that great of pumps and it seemed a little wet. Ergomax gave me awesome pumps so I'm guessing that its the PP kicking in.
Smoky
Banned
I agree as based on my research. PP is the pump. 6-10 days for many to know it kicked in. TRN for me was not a big "On Cycle". But I must admit I guage results to superdrol as I have yet encounterd a single compound with the features it provided in my research. I would prefer the Pmax up front as I feel the TST/TRN combo is a great way to finish. Far superior to any zol type but applied in a similar manner. JMO
I am finding the longer well planned cycle with STRONG post cycle therapy to work well for me. 6 weeks being the norm. Easier to keep the gains with a blend of compounds keeping dosage low and running longer for the body to adapt. We wont bother to get into the complexity of the orals as well as the hazards. Be smart, know the risks, know your body. One may research those issues as there are plenty of threads to that effect already. Once we begin to apply the NHAs are we doing post cycle therapy or is it a bridge as well? I see a whole new oral frontier beginning to materialize. The oral cycle as we know it is now changing before our eyes.
Press On...
I am finding the longer well planned cycle with STRONG post cycle therapy to work well for me. 6 weeks being the norm. Easier to keep the gains with a blend of compounds keeping dosage low and running longer for the body to adapt. We wont bother to get into the complexity of the orals as well as the hazards. Be smart, know the risks, know your body. One may research those issues as there are plenty of threads to that effect already. Once we begin to apply the NHAs are we doing post cycle therapy or is it a bridge as well? I see a whole new oral frontier beginning to materialize. The oral cycle as we know it is now changing before our eyes.
Press On...
BigMattTx
Active member
Smoky said:
I agree. I am just getting into the oral game but I have been following since before the original PH ban. I have tried a few compounds and I am looking to try SD in the beggining of fall. I just recently finished an old school NHA (Activate + ATD) and the results were pretty nice. I did a 8 weeker of TRN/Zol then one month PCT with nolva, retain and support and then the NHA so its was kind of a bridger but I did PCT first. The only thing that I didnt like was the headaches and libido/sexual issues which make ATD a poor choice to use near PCT IMO. ATD is a great compound as an alternative to steroids though. I got a great "on cycle" feeling...much more than with TRN and the strength gains were outta this world.
Now I am trying the USPlabs NHA stack. I am running Powerfull/Symettry X/Cissus/C2 and logging it at bb.com and the SynergyMuscle forums. The results are pretty amazing so far. Gives me pretty good agression/concenrtation in the gym and it is helping my sexual recovery which is almost back to normal (TRN/Zol and then ATD annihilated it). The pumps are good too. After this, I'm going to try Rebound Reloaded before I do my SD cycle.
These new herbal products are so good that I may not ever do any AAS again. At this point, I am glad to finally feel like myself and enjoy sex. Plus, I am almost where I want to be which is at sub-10% bodyfat and weighing over 180 pounds. After that, I just want to slowly add lean mass. I was thinking of doing a 3-weeker and trying SD which I probably will but right now I'm happy with the results I am getting with non-hormonal supplements.
That being said, these new NHA type products have a lot merit for PCT and bridging cycles. I used retain last time and not only retained my gains, but continued to see results through PCT.
mixedup
Well-known member
Smoky said:
I agree also with the well planned cycle my current cycle changed many times before it started and has changed while on because I adjust to how my body feels. I now have a good idea of what works best for me and what doesn't and what to expect so I design my cycle to meet my specific goals for that cycle.
kjkriston
Board Supporter
Well, whatever it is kicking in I had the best workout in months tonight. Strength is up weight is up 3 more pounds, and endurance was way up. This seems so all of sudden like it happened over night. I've decided to extend the Pmax till the bottle is empty which is only 5 days longer than the planned 3 weeks. Next time itll be 40mg form the start. Awesome pump tonight, it was arms night, great vascularity, just felt great. Real excited about every workout from here on out. Thanks for the support guys.
kjkriston
Board Supporter
My bad....crazy busy work week. Well, the workouts have continued to improve, however, my weight is pretty steady at 6 lbs over start. No big deal cuz I am trying to most use this trn-tst as a cutting strength cycle. Pumps are still really good, and strength is definetly up. I also have decided to up the Tst to 8mg. I am now 7 days in on the tst-trn. I feel great in the gym, and have a good sense of well being. I will try to update more often, i worked almost 70 hours this past week so this weekend is a big relief.
12many
New member
kjkriston said:
I highly doubt the irritability is from the MTRN. I have not experienced this at all. IMO, MTRN is GOD! Take a look at my "Insanity Cycle" of which I've had ZERO, count them, ZERO sides since Day 1. If I'm not feeling anything from MTRN and the wicked combos here, I highly doubt you're feeling it from the MTRN either. But, everyone responds differently to things, so anything is possible.
Currently, I am 5wks, 1day into my 6-week cycle. If you take a look back at my post a couple of pages back, it'll describe the entire list of ancillaries that I pre-loaded, take currently, and will continue to take into and after post cycle therapy.
INSANITY CYCLE:
The cycle started as (wks 1&2):
HMAX: 50mg/day
MTRN: 6mg/day
MTST: 6mg/day
MZOL: 150mg/day
Letro: .50mg ed
End of week 2, MTST was dropped, as I believe it doesn't do much. At least, it doesn't do much for me either in the above cycle or a past cycle of MTRN/MTST.
Week3:
HMAX: 50mg/day
MTRN: 6mg/day
MZOL: 150mg/day
Letro: .50mg ed
Thyrotabs: 3 caplets/day
Week 4:
HMAX: 50mg/day
MTRN: 6mg/day
MZOL: 150mg/day
Letro: .50mg ed
Superol: 10mg/day
Thyrotabs: 3 caplets/day
Week 5:
MTRN: 6mg/day
MZOL: 200mg/day
Letro: .50mg ed
Superol: 20mg/day
Thyrotabs: 3 caplets/day
HMAX was all over at this point; it's been 4 weeks for it. I only overlapped the 17aa methyls (superdrol and HMAX) on Week 4, as you'll notice.
Week 6 (I'm 1 day into this week):
MTRN: 6mg/day
MZOL: 200mg/day
Letro: .50mg ed
Superol: 20mg/day
Thyrotabs: 3 caplets/day
Sides: ZERO. I've been checking my BP often, and it's averaging about 112/65 which is absolutely MINT!
Observations:
a. MTST: I'm a non-responder, or it's useless. Either way, I won't use it again in the future.
Rating: 1/10
b. MTRN: In my opinion the absolute best oral ever made, STOCK UP, I have
. It gives a wicked "i'm the alpha-male" attitude, you get very confrontational taking it (good or bad, I like it), HUGE libido (can you say morning, afternoon, mid-afternoon, night wood!). GREAT strength and size gains and quite dry. Take it, and MTRN will OWN you! Rating: 20/10 BOW DOWN!
c. MZOL: I'm not sure what to say other than it's quite weak. In a future cycle I'll run the AX or ALRI Prostan (got both) and see if the results are the same. It doesn't really come on until Day 7 or 8, but it definitely helps definition. It's just not a "show stopper", if you know what I mean.
Rating: 6/10
d. HMAX: VERY VERY good compound. No sides at all from it, and after I finished my 4 weeks of it, I still feel exactly the same, so I truly had no sides from it..that I know of...LOL
Rating: 9/10 This is an HD50 replica to the "T"
e. Superdrol: This is where it gets VERY VERY interesting! In the past, I ran an superdrol 20/20/20 cycle and had terrible sides. Everything from lethargy, back pumps, zero libido, all around terrible feeling like I wanted to lock myself in a closet. Well, I swore I'd never use it again, but apparently, I lied. I threw it into this cycle, and HOLY H3LL! Zero back pumps, zero high bp, libido is still HUGE, and oh boy, is it working WELL! My only two thoughts are that that MTRN is preventing (somehow) me from the evil sides, or my body now has an affinity for superdrol. I don't know which one, but I'll assure you that it's working. IMO, superdrol with MTRN and MZOL is a totally wicked stack.
Rating: 10/10 (thank you God for making it work this time!)
f. Thyrotabs: This is a God sent from Gaspari. They work very well and start to work about 5 or 6 days after beginning them. I started right out at 3 caplets/day, they've worked wonderfully. They will make you sweat more, so be prepared for this. You will wake up each morning, check yourself in the mirror, and one or two more veins will be visible where you didn't know they existed. Couple this with 3rd degree burn, and you'll be a human fat burner!
Rating: 15/10 (gave it a bonus)
g. Letro: My body has taken a positive affinity to this. I used to take it, and it would make me feel like I was a 100yr old arthritic man dragging a big brick from my arse! Well, not anymore, I actually LOVE this stuff, and I disagree with ANYONE who says it will hinder your gains, especially at .50mg ed on cycle. To each their own, I guess. It is a great diuretic as well.
Rating: 10/10
This whole cycle has been a HUGE success for me. All of the compounds are known to be dry (except MTST which was dropped early on), and these last couple of weeks with superdrol in the mix has turned me into a veiny freak with lumps of muscle in places I didn't know were possible, especially in my arse...LOL
Beginning stats:
5'10"
170lbs
Current stats:
198lbs and will go over 200lbs by Friday of next week when the "insane cycle" is complete. Body fat? What the H3LL is bf?
+28lbs LBM (no fat certainly) in 35 days.
Overall Rating:
I can't give it anything less than 10/10.
Word of advice:
I started this cycle in extremely good cardiovascular health. I run 5+ miles @ 3x/week, do 3 martial arts, and also work out 5x/week. Even after all of this, I can go out and run a marathon. This says a LOT for the great response I've had to everything.
You'll also notice 17aa methyls (superdrol and HMAX) were only overlapped on Week 4 at a low dosage for the SD. Nonetheless, someone WILL come along and ask me about the liver. In response, I will put up a monetary bet to anyone who challenges the fact that my bloodwork next Monday will be nearly identical (within 3-4%) of what it was when I started this cycle.
Anyway, I'm enjoying myself. This cycle will go into the hall of fame for me. I will DEFINITELY repeat it in the future. I have nothing bad to say about it at all, and that is very impressive this far into the cycle.
Next cycle:
DBOL/TestE/Superdrol
L8r
~ 12many ~
mixedup
Well-known member
200lb at 5% bf 5ft 10in right. Are you trying to compete because that that weight and bf % you'd be at the top of the light heavy weight class. Your size and weight and bf% right now is good enough to turn pro. If you take a look at Mr all natural in the pics section who is going for his pro card right now he competes at 194lb 4-5% bf. You gotta post some pics bro you must be HUGE Seriouslly with those stats right now you could walk onstage like tomorrow GREAT GREAT JOB on the gains
dagecko
Registered User
I'd just like to say, thanks for all the great info posted here. It's been very informative and I've enjoyed reading all the posts in this log. I've been thinking of what to do for my next cycle and I think I have it.
Wk1 - 20 mg AX Phera
Wk2 - 20 mg AX Phera
Wk3 - 20 mg AX Phera / 2mg MTrn / 2mg MTst
Wk4 - 4 mg MTrn / 4 mg MTst / 150 mg MZol
Wk5 - 6 mg MTrn / 6 mg MTst / 150 mg MZol
Wk6 - 6 mg MTrn / 6 mg MTst / 200 mg MZol
I'll be checking how I react to Trn/Tst in wk3 as I've never done these before and will adjust on the fly as need be. I've got all support supps, and will be using Tor + pct stack (LXT, RR, Fenu, etc) for my pct. I'm in entering wk3 of my pct from a straight SD cycle and am getting giddy thinking of my next cycle...I've got a couple months to decide.
Although a HMax/MTrn/Mtst/Mzol sounds juicy too. But I have an open bottle of Phera so i should use that first...:think:
Wk1 - 20 mg AX Phera
Wk2 - 20 mg AX Phera
Wk3 - 20 mg AX Phera / 2mg MTrn / 2mg MTst
Wk4 - 4 mg MTrn / 4 mg MTst / 150 mg MZol
Wk5 - 6 mg MTrn / 6 mg MTst / 150 mg MZol
Wk6 - 6 mg MTrn / 6 mg MTst / 200 mg MZol
I'll be checking how I react to Trn/Tst in wk3 as I've never done these before and will adjust on the fly as need be. I've got all support supps, and will be using Tor + pct stack (LXT, RR, Fenu, etc) for my pct. I'm in entering wk3 of my pct from a straight SD cycle and am getting giddy thinking of my next cycle...I've got a couple months to decide.
Although a HMax/MTrn/Mtst/Mzol sounds juicy too. But I have an open bottle of Phera so i should use that first...:think:
12many
New member
kjkriston said:
No confrontational issues at all! I think you misinterpreted what I said: I am more confrontational, but I don't let myself get "that way" with people. I just watch myself more, especially around work. I have NOT been confrontational with anyone, but the attitude "for it" exists.
mixedup
Well-known member
Hey 12many are you going to post some pics I remember when you started your cycle you were 4% bf right. If i remember one of my favorite BB Lee Priest took first place at the San francisco Pro at 4% I believe Ronnie Coleman also wins the olympia at between 4-5%. You must have the BOMB genetics. Ronnie and Lee kill themselves for like 16 weeks and your lucky enough to walk around everyday in that kind of shape. You should serious consider competing with your stats.
MuscleBound1337
Active member
I think we need some pics 12many! You must be a friggin tank, do you have before pics? That much LBM gain is insane.
