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Tropinol....... Honestly.

I logged Tropinol on MFF, and it treated me pretty well. It wasn't steroid like, but better than most test boosters I've tried. Overall I was shooting for a recomp and I did just that. I increased LBM by 1lb, and dropped 2lbs bf. I was injured before so strength was down, but it came back while using Tropinol. However, I did experience a libido drop.

I will say my experience with test boosters in general has not been the greatest, but that's to be expected IMO. Herbal test boosters are not going to pack on slabs of muscle or increase strength off the charts. The increase in testosterone would have to be more significant over a longer period of time. Tropinol was one of the better ones I have used so far, but I still won't pay much for test boosters if I buy them myself.

Test boosters, however, are good for things like increasing libido, improving mood and aggression, helping recovery from a PH/DS cycle, and just giving you a mental boost in the gym. It's a rare person that will make significant gains on a test booster from what I've seen and IMO.
 
I appreciate that this as a herbal product it isn't going to give a positive influence to everyone or even an influence to everyone.

iForce did say something like "upwards of 6-9 lbs of muscle gain" and have promised more alpha tester bloodwork after only providing two results, both of which were below normal levels in their first results.

It is no wonder people are saying it is overhyped, it can't deliver the results they promised because they promised the top end results of a rat study before testing it on humans.

It might be a good product, I might still try it. There is no point beating around the bush with this "only a few people have logged bad experiences" when some of the good experiences you have posted have been on PCT with use of other products.

Is it overhyped? Yes. Even Vaughn knows this in my opinion.
Will it work? Depends on the person.

Make your own mind up, it may still be worth a go. Some humble pie of "thanks for the honest feedback, sorry it didn't work for you" etc might mitigate some of the argumentative responses.

Just my thoughts. I appreciate unbiased feedback either way on products I am interested in trying.
 
Can you show me where we PROMISED anything? As a seller of dietary supplements we legally CANNOT promise a thing. Only say what is POSSIBLE.


6-9lbs IS possible as that is what we say in our alpha testers.


Do you not understand how dietary supp law works? Or the FDA? we can't make any definite claims nor would we because NOTHING WORKS FOR EVERYONE.



Unbelieveable.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Can you show me where we PROMISED anything? As a seller of dietary supplements we legally CANNOT promise a thing. Only say what is POSSIBLE.


6-9lbs IS possible as that is what we say in our alpha testers.


Do you not understand how dietary supp law works? Or the FDA? we can't make any definite claims nor would we because NOTHING WORKS FOR EVERYONE.



Unbelieveable.
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From the product write-up.


"Users of Tropinol get expect to have the most exciting cycle of their lives. Increases in strength, libido, power, and muscle mass will come quickly. Users can expect muscle mass gains upwards of 6-9lbs, significant strength gains, reduced recovery times, as well as an incredible increase in libido."

The word 'expect' implies a minimum standard rather than saying "could possibly..." hence me using the word 'promise'. If you dont like that word you can replace it with your own synonym, the context will hold the same.

I am being objective. Some humility on your behalf might stop some of the arguments as your reply is aggressive and my post is not. We can leave the hot-headedness at home today. :)
 
bdcc said:
From the product write-up.


"Users of Tropinol get expect to have the most exciting cycle of their lives. Increases in strength, libido, power, and muscle mass will come quickly. Users can expect muscle mass gains upwards of 6-9lbs, significant strength gains, reduced recovery times, as well as an incredible increase in libido."

The word 'expect' implies a minimum standard rather than saying "could possibly..." hence me using the word 'promise'. If you dont like that word you can replace it with your own synonym, the context will hold the same.

I am being objective. Some humility on your behalf might stop some of the arguments as your reply is aggressive and my post is not. We can leave the hot-headedness at home today. :)
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Well said.
I-Force pushes these products out like they are the end all. When in fact they really arent. DAA is giving people much better results overall then Tropinal. I really wanted this product to work well. I love DAA products but they do tend to leave some gastrointestinal discomfort for some.
So Vaughn, believe me, I wanted this product to be very effective, not mildly to little.
 
bdcc said:
From the product write-up.


"Users of Tropinol get expect to have the most exciting cycle of their lives. Increases in strength, libido, power, and muscle mass will come quickly. Users can expect muscle mass gains upwards of 6-9lbs, significant strength gains, reduced recovery times, as well as an incredible increase in libido."

The word 'expect' implies a minimum standard rather than saying "could possibly..." hence me using the word 'promise'. If you dont like that word you can replace it with your own synonym, the context will hold the same.

I am being objective. Some humility on your behalf might stop some of the arguments as your reply is aggressive and my post is not. We can leave the hot-headedness at home today. :)
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*Can* expect and "*upwards*(of 6-9lbs") are the key words and legal loopholes that get any supp company off the hook of false claims and promises. A bit different than saying "You WILL gain.." which would be more of a guarantee."Upwards of 6-9 lbs" is saying its possible, but its also possible that you gain just a couple ounces. All marketers know the implications and what one might assume when reading their advertisements, but theyre professionals at selling, and have lawyers that help with the wording...they sell you on a product with as little liability as possible. Right or wrong, its just business.
 
LOL at the guy who said he recomp'd by gaining ONE ENTIRE POUND of muscle and dropping 2lbs. of fat. wooooo-hoooo.

And you couldn't do that by diet and trainng alone? jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Test-boosters are such crap. Just out and out utter crap. Why waste $30 when you could just grab some Super DMZ and actually SEE the damn gainz instead of relying on a blood test. You gonna just carry that blood test around in your wallet?

Hey, wanna see my blood test results? Totally raised it by 11111000000%. I know I don't look any diff, but it totally works.

Every supp. company does the hype thing. We get it, it's business. But sooner or later it gets so ridiculous. The sad thing is, it will continue and continue and continue as new unsuspecting newbs fall prey to this type of marketing.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
*Can* expect and "*upwards*(of 6-9lbs") are the key words and legal loopholes that get any supp company off the hook of false claims and promises. A bit different than saying "You WILL gain.." which would be more of a guarantee."Upwards of 6-9 lbs" is saying its possible, but its also possible that you gain just a couple ounces. All marketers know the implications and what one might assume when reading their advertisements, but theyre professionals at selling, and have lawyers that help with the wording...they sell you on a product with as little liability as possible. Right or wrong, its just business.
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I understand the marketing angles and legal loopholes. The word 'expect' is going to leave some customers unhappy when they fall into the majority of people who do not get these results. I was just pointing out that if iForce market a product based on rat studies before getting any alpha testing bloodwork in they run the risk of customers being annoyed when they do not achieve the same results as those advertised.

I was surprised to see aggression in replies to standard questions so was pointing out where I thought the issues were. Marketing is there to create hype, but you need the product to live up to it.
 
bdcc said:
I understand the marketing angles and legal loopholes. The word 'expect' is going to leave some customers unhappy when they fall into the majority of people who do not get these results. I was just pointing out that if iForce market a product based on rat studies before getting any alpha testing bloodwork in they run the risk of customers being annoyed when they do not achieve the same results as those advertised.

I was surprised to see aggression in replies to standard questions so was pointing out where I thought the issues were. Marketing is there to create hype, but you need the product to live up to it.
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just sold bottle # 19,000 yesterday.

Have still yet to hit 7 complaints now...


99.9997% happy customers = living up to what people want :)
 
VaughnTrue said:
Can you show me where we PROMISED anything? As a seller of dietary supplements we legally CANNOT promise a thing. Only say what is POSSIBLE.


6-9lbs IS possible as that is what we say in our alpha testers.


Do you not understand how dietary supp law works? Or the FDA? we can't make any definite claims nor would we because NOTHING WORKS FOR EVERYONE.



Unbelieveable.
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It's an honest shame how people selectively pick out dislikes in companies advertisements. I can open up a flex magazine, and literally every page is filled with result claims that are possible, just not the typical. I admire that people care so much about what they put in their bodies, but it just seems like a select few people here think we are the sole advertisers of such marketing strategies.

I for one would be very interested in someone showing me one respectable, moderate sized company that has never publicized a questionable advertisement. I can almost guarantee, that is an impossible feat.

On a side note, its great to see how well our sales have been going, but its a shame that members who really enjoy tropinol have to PM there positive feedback and results to us because they don't want people to call them liars and such openly on the board so they are forced to stay quiet and not publically give their positive feedback.

With that being said, I just want to thank all of those out there who have come forward through PM's to express their honest opinion about the product; I am glad we were able to create a product that helped you better reach your goals :).

Mike
 
criticalbench said:
It's an honest shame how people selectively pick out dislikes in companies advertisements. I can open up a flex magazine, and literally every page is filled with result claims that are possible, just not the typical. I admire that people care so much about what they put in their bodies, but it just seems like a select few people here think we are the sole advertisers of such marketing strategies.

I for one would be very interested in someone showing me one respectable, moderate sized company that has never publicized a questionable advertisement. I can almost guarantee, that is an impossible feat.

On a side note, its great to see how well our sales have been going, but its a shame that members who really enjoy tropinol have to PM there positive feedback and results to us because they don't want people to call them liars and such openly on the board so they are forced to stay quiet and not publically give their positive feedback.

With that being said, I just want to thank all of those out there who have come forward through PM's to express their honest opinion about the product; I am glad we were able to create a product that helped you better reach your goals :).

Mike
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People will have to learn to read the disclaimer/fine print .."results not typical". Most times if I can get half the results from the write up, Im happy because I assume thats what MOST people get.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
People will have to learn to read the disclaimer/fine print .."results not typical". Most times if I can get half the results from the write up, Im happy because I assume thats what MOST people get.
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People always expect the max :). That only comes with the genetics, training, and diet being spot on and I have a hard time believing everyone on these boards who use such a product have everything nailed down. I work at a gym with over 3k members, serious/non-serious lifters, etc.. and I'd say no more than 25 train with the intensity and focus needed to grow beyond the average size, if that.

Mike
 
This is a thread about Tropinol and I will be the first to admit I have not used it. However it is a BN product and I am currently on week 5 of a Bulbine based cycle. I am up four pounds but the most profound effect it has had on me is on muscle fulness. I look 10-12 pounds bigger. It has definitely surpassed what I was expecting.
 
ok guys, ive been through the supplements, been through the diets and non-stop working out... i need more size whether its legal or not, what do ya'll know that i dont
 
VaughnTrue said:
just sold bottle # 19,000 yesterday.

Have still yet to hit 7 complaints now...


99.9997% happy customers = living up to what people want :)
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while I dont have a dog in the hunt here....how many of those 19K are repeat purchases? A lot of consumers looking for that "magic" pill will simply take it as directed have a ****ty diet and workout regimen and not see a damn thing happen and not say a word...like you said most dont even frequent the boards....finish the bottle(s) and move on to the next magic pill...but if they do see solid results, they will be back to pick up more....

g_lee
 
sandjunky said:
while I dont have a dog in the hunt here....how many of those 19K are repeat purchases? A lot of consumers looking for that "magic" pill will simply take it as directed have a ****ty diet and workout regimen and not see a damn thing happen and not say a word...like you said most dont even frequent the boards....finish the bottle(s) and move on to the next magic pill...but if they do see solid results, they will be back to pick up more....

g_lee
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Due to the size of iForce, fortunately/unfortunately most of our sales are through repeat customers. We aren't huge by any means, so the vast majority of our income comes from users who have already tried the same product or other things in our brand previously.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Due to the size of iForce, fortunately/unfortunately most of our sales are through repeat customers. We aren't huge by any means, so the vast majority of our income comes from users who have already tried the same product or other things in our brand previously.
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i guess by repeat..tracking sales to a said user whether through you guys site or another e-tailer on the specific product...

for instance: user 1 buys 2 bottle tropinol and uses product

Does user 1 buy tropinol again or competitor A on his next order....but this likely gets into privacy issues (just thinking out loud here)

Take me for instance...someone said i should try MaximizeV2....i did (bought it along with another product in case i didnt like it) and really liked the product ...this time (after other product was finished) i purchased the Fruit Punch version which I like but not as much as the Raspberry Lemonade...
 
VaughnTrue said:
To be honest, I've seen maybe 4-5 of these reviews so far, out of about 15,000 units being sold to end users.


I wish a natural supplement could work for everyone, but unfortunately even the most popular supplements don't work for every single user. Things like Activate Xtreme and Triazole have some awesome reviews(just like Tropinol), and a handful of negative reviews(just like Tropinol).


OP - I really am sorry you didn't have a great cycle on it. Shoot me a PM for some free samples/goodies to try out to see if you respond better to anything else in our line :)
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Customer service at its finest!
 
I've heard Mike Mahler say on Super Human Radio that <180 lbs person should take 1 cap ed and > 180 only 2 ... Maybe ppl are overdosing on this..
 
mazeman said:
I've heard Mike Mahler say on Super Human Radio that <180 lbs person should take 1 cap ed and > 180 only 2 ... Maybe ppl are overdosing on this..
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I have to respectfully disagree. Mike Mahler has no clue how much ProLensis we have in each capsule...I do.
 
I used the tropinol and developed slight headaches. I then order some testabol from the same place i ordered the tropinol and it doesnt contain caffiene and no headaches, so I am assuming it was the caffiene in the mix causing these. I like the testabol so far and running that with a product called Xabol that helps block estrogen , strong combo in my opinion.
 
mazeman said:
I've heard Mike Mahler say on Super Human Radio that <180 lbs person should take 1 cap ed and > 180 only 2 ... Maybe ppl are overdosing on this..
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Unless he has the exactly breakdown of what we have formulated which he doesn't, that is nearly impossible to conclude and only false information being given out.

Mike
 
VaughnTrue said:
Due to the size of iForce, fortunately/unfortunately most of our sales are through repeat customers. We aren't huge by any means, so the vast majority of our income comes from users who have already tried the same product or other things in our brand previously.
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truth, repeat customer here.
Maximize me!
wait.... that got weird
 
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