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TripDogs official Boldenone / 1,4-ad thread

poopypants said:
any hints at all??? at least tell us how many compounds....
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3 compounds. Trip's using one of them in his up and coming cycle in the same manner I am going to be using it. It is modelled slightly after Rodja's all-time favorite cycle. I don't know if I'm gonna ever post exactly what it is, because it's really not beneficial to me to be going around posting what kind of steroids I'm on.
 
thesinner said:
3 compounds. I don't know if I'm gonna ever post exactly what it is, because it's really not beneficial to me to be going around posting what kind of steroids I'm on.
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why the hell not....you do realize your on a steriod forum right????........dont make me send a virgin goat to come knock some sence into your feminine ass...i think you should post it!
 
pistonpump said:
should get plenty strong on that! still dont want to inject eh?:sad:
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hmmmmm 2 orals on top of sd might be a bit rough on mrs. liver...replace the trn with test,and and you would be cool in my book.............................p.s. i'll still send the goat ;)
 
pistonpump said:
should get plenty strong on that! still dont want to inject eh?:sad:
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It's not that I don't want to inject (I've injected IGF before, how much worse can test be?) so much as I don't have enough time to allot to an injectable cycle. 12 weeks starting in October would take me in through the holidays, and that's not desireable.

My plans are to hopefully start poking myself in the ass sometime next spring or summer.
 
yeah but that is just not sinner, as you can tell he doesnt do cool...send me that goat, on second thought i like sheep better.
 
quigs said:
Ouch, hope you don't plan on getting laid for a couple months. Your libido will be toast.
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maybe i wont send him that goat after all.....hmmmm:think:
 
thesinner said:
IDK, TRN gave me an "I want to bone everything" type libido the last time I used it.
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ya i personally had a raging libido as well..... thats awesome though sinner... mines going to be TRN through out with superdrol and Epi alternating days..... and if i can get my hands on some cash and make an order early enough im gonna run some 14add throughout as well...... its gonna go 6 weeks total as soon as i finish up my act ext log. cant wait.
 
thesinner said:
IDK, TRN gave me an "I want to bone everything" type libido the last time I used it.
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Have other anabolics you've tried given you similar libido effects? I guess it just goes to show how complex/unpredictable libido can be...
 
did you have siiiick acne too???? check my back here... it was only like 4-6 days in when i took this.... crazy ass androgens...
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thesinner said:
It's not that I don't want to inject (I've injected IGF before, how much worse can test be?) so much as I don't have enough time to allot to an injectable cycle. 12 weeks starting in October would take me in through the holidays, and that's not desireable.

My plans are to hopefully start poking myself in the ass sometime next spring or summer.
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well, a lil different. first off a slin pin is smaller and test im sure is alot more painful. i guess you are past the actual point of sticking yourself tho, which is good cuz that is probably the hardest part for people.
 
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Characterization of boldione and its metabolites in human urine by liquid chromatography/electrospray ionization mass spectrometry and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.
Kim Y, Jun M, Lee W.

Doping Control Center, Korea Institute of Science and Technology, P.O. Box 131, Cheongryang, Seoul, Korea. [email protected]

Boldione (1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione) is a direct precursor (prohormone) to the anabolic steroid boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-17beta-ol-3-one). It is advertised as a highly anabolic/androgenic compound promoting muscularity, enhancing strength and overall physical performance, and is available on the Internet and in health stores. This work was undertaken to determine and characterize boldione and its metabolites in human urine, using both liquid chromatography with electrospray ionization mass spectrometry and gas chromatography with mass spectrometry and derivatization. Boldione and its three metabolites were detected in dosed human urine after dosing a healthy volunteer with 100 mg boldione. The excretion studies showed that boldione and its metabolites were detectable in urine for 48 h after oral administration, with maximum excretion rates after 1.8 and 3.6 h (boldenone case). The amounts of boldione and boldenone excreted in urine from this 100 mg dose were 34.45 and 15.95 mg, respectively. (c) 2005 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd
 
DriverDan said:
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Characterization of boldione and its metabolites in human urine by liquid chromatography/electrospray ionization mass spectrometry and gas chromatography/mass spectrometry.
Kim Y, Jun M, Lee W.

Doping Control Center, Korea Institute of Science and Technology, P.O. Box 131, Cheongryang, Seoul, Korea. [email protected]

Boldione (1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione) is a direct precursor (prohormone) to the anabolic steroid boldenone (1,4-androstadiene-17beta-ol-3-one). It is advertised as a highly anabolic/androgenic compound promoting muscularity, enhancing strength and overall physical performance, and is available on the Internet and in health stores. This work was undertaken to determine and characterize boldione and its metabolites in human urine, using both liquid chromatography with electrospray ionization mass spectrometry and gas chromatography with mass spectrometry and derivatization. Boldione and its three metabolites were detected in dosed human urine after dosing a healthy volunteer with 100 mg boldione. The excretion studies showed that boldione and its metabolites were detectable in urine for 48 h after oral administration, with maximum excretion rates after 1.8 and 3.6 h (boldenone case). The amounts of boldione and boldenone excreted in urine from this 100 mg dose were 34.45 and 15.95 mg, respectively. (c) 2005 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd
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wow nice addition.....so per 100mg dose 34mg remains the active boldione,and 15mg converts to bolenone? is this correct?
 
quigs said:
Hmm...I really wish that I knew wtf was in trn.
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The following is based on the assumption that ALRI uses meaningful chemical nomenclature (i.e. doesn't just call the compound whatever the feel like it):

The label says 17b-methoxy-trienolone.

This would mean (prodived the name has any value to it) that the compound is a derivative of tren, with an ether on the 17b-carbon instead of a hydroxyl group (which would give you tren base) or an ester (which would give you tren ace or tren E).

This would in turn give you a steroid with a significantly higher oral availability, but a significantly weaker affinity for AR receptors.

The compound would be an active steroid because there is not way in hell you're body is gonna find a way to pry off that methoxy group.
 
TripDog said:
wow nice addition.....so per 100mg dose 34mg remains the active boldione,and 15mg converts to bolenone? is this correct?
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I'm not entirely certain of how steroid metabolization works. I assume that some of the active would be excreted through urine and deification and some would remain in the body (please correct me if I'm wrong!). That would mean a conversion of 16% (~16mg out of 100mg) excreted in urine but may not represent the entire amount.

I think the only thing that can be said for certain is that this individual experienced at LEAST 16% conversion from 1,4AD.
 
DriverDan said:
I'm not entirely certain of how steroid metabolization works. I assume that some of the active would be excreted through urine and deification and some would remain in the body (please correct me if I'm wrong!). That would mean a conversion of 16% (~16mg out of 100mg) excreted in urine but may not represent the entire amount.

I think the only thing that can be said for certain is that this individual experienced at LEAST 16% conversion from 1,4AD.
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Have you read the full text? After seeing the abstract, I had some free time and looked up the article here at the library.

I found this to be an interesting read, but unfortunately the study only contains ONE subject. The results aren't even statistically significant.

In this particular individual, total conversion would be around 15% to boldenone however. So given the results of this individual, the metabolites of boldione can be found in the urine for up to 48 hours, and after 43 hours ~15mg of the 100mg boldione administered was converted to boldenone.

Also, this would not necessarily be linear...the more you dose the likelyhood that such a high conversion will be maintained decreases (due to saturation of 17-HSD enzyme). In other words, IMO it is very unlikely that 1000mg of boldione would convert to 150mg. This would give us 1050mg boldenone/week...which is inconsistent with the results users have achieved in the past. 1g of boldenone is a lot.

I've got the full text in PDF here, so if you guys want more info let me know.
 
thesinner said:
The following is based on the assumption that ALRI uses meaningful chemical nomenclature (i.e. doesn't just call the compound whatever the feel like it):

The label says 17b-methoxy-trienolone.

This would mean (prodived the name has any value to it) that the compound is a derivative of tren, with an ether on the 17b-carbon instead of a hydroxyl group (which would give you tren base) or an ester (which would give you tren ace or tren E).

This would in turn give you a steroid with a significantly higher oral availability, but a significantly weaker affinity for AR receptors.

The compound would be an active steroid because there is not way in hell you're body is gonna find a way to pry off that methoxy group.
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i could ahve sworn that when it was released it was said that its truely not the real chemical nomenclature... its purely something tahts supposed to describe what it would be LIKE... im fairly certain bout this one... iwas all up in the hype when it was first released and me and ryansm were the first ones to log it.... i dont know if i can find the info thread anymore though....lemme see if i can
 
poopypants said:
i could ahve sworn that when it was released it was said that its truely not the real chemical nomenclature... its purely something tahts supposed to describe what it would be LIKE... im fairly certain bout this one... iwas all up in the hype when it was first released and me and ryansm were the first ones to log it.... i dont know if i can find the info thread anymore though....lemme see if i can
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why would it be LIKE something that didn't previously exist?

Again, everything I said is being based on the assumption that the nomenclature is meaningful, which is likely may not be. Like in the case of ADED, a chemical compound that defies organic synthesis, ALRI compounds are not as they seem.
 
quigs said:
(due to saturation of 17-HSD enzyme). .
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what else does this enzyme convert in the body.....or needed for rather???
 
TripDog said:
what else does this enzyme convert in the body.....or needed for rather???
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Controls a step in the formation of pretty much all androgens and estrogens.

4-dione ----> test
DHEA ----->5 diol
5 diol -----> test
estrone ----> estradiol

etc, etc...
 
how can something that protonates the 17 carbones keto group into a 17b-alcohol protonate a 17b-alcohol? (5-diol would already be protonated)
 
poopypants said:
hmmm is the supp 17-hd just more of that enzyme??? is there a way to supplement with 17-hd in order to up conversion?
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No, 17-hd is hydrolyzed sasparilla root + miniscule amounts of B-ecdysone + other crap that doesn't serve much of a purpose. I do not like them Sam I Am.

The enzyme is 17-HSD. In order for the steroid to become 'active' it needs to have a 17-b-OH, and that's what this enzyme will do for ya.
 
thesinner said:
No, 17-hd is hydrolyzed sasparilla root + miniscule amounts of B-ecdysone + other crap that doesn't serve much of a purpose. I do not like them Sam I Am.

The enzyme is 17-HSD. In order for the steroid to become 'active' it needs to have a 17-b-OH, and that's what this enzyme will do for ya.
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ooooook.... so can i get this enzyme in more abundance?? either by directly supplementing or through another supplement wich causes the body to naturally produce more??? now that would be a cool supp...
 
thesinner said:
how can something that protonates the 17 carbones keto group into a 17b-alcohol protonate a 17b-alcohol? (5-diol would already be protonated)
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Oh, sorry I menat 5-dione. 5-dione would be 17hsd i believe while the diol is 3b hsd.

BTW there are like 5 or 6 variations of the 17 HSD enzyme.
 
quigs said:
There are like 5 or 6 variations of the 17 HSD enzyme.
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I'll take your word for it.

The Poopster said:
ooooook.... so can i get this enzyme in more abundance?? either by directly supplementing or through another supplement wich causes the body to naturally produce more??? now that would be a cool supp...
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Interesting idea, but such a supplement would
1) increase estradiol as well
2) Lower your levels of other steroid hormones, but f*cking with DHEA conversions.
 
:confused: omg my brain hurts from reading all that...
 
AAAAAAHHHH SHIIIIIITTTTTT!!!! NO it says it will be the only frickin run!!!!! any one wanna buy poop 30g and trade for some epi....or an classic AX product thats really Super???????
 
poopypants said:
AAAAAAHHHH SHIIIIIITTTTTT!!!! NO it says it will be the only frickin run!!!!! any one wanna buy poop 30g and trade for some epi....or an classic AX product thats really Super???????
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Yes i forgot to mention that my wife will probably cut my ballz off now that i spent money that i shouldn't have.
 
lol... ya im just unemployed and moneys tight... so wifey would def have my balls for a 45 dollar purchase.... but i have a nice stash built up....... all methyls though and i need an unmethylated sub to stack....
 
poopypants said:
lol... ya im just unemployed and moneys tight... so wifey would def have my balls for a 45 dollar purchase.... but i have a nice stash built up....... all methyls though and i need an unmethylated sub to stack....
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Yeah i know what ya mean mang.....i feel a long talk awaiting me followed by many, many vulgar comments/obscene gestures:nono::lol: . I have the same problem though, lots of methyls but needed something non-methyl to stack with.
 
all it says is that "Equipoise can also produce distinct androgenic side effects. Oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are all possible with this compound"

how very specific! That is the case with all PH's roids, but obviously some compounds effect the hairline worse than others
 
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