mbonheur
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Jep, will probably be shipped May 2nd. I Iive in Belgium btw
Tribulus is making me aggressive, will it work for libido ?
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Danes
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Will place a nice order after my High dosed Tomatidine product. Will run 2g Ecdysterone and 2g Tribulus
Pec.Major
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Why not try Retibol buddy? They don´t ship outside of Sweden but I can send to you in the mail.
mbonheur
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Have you also tried Sopharmas Tribestan?
The_Old_Guy
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Day 2 at 1450mg (725x2) - nothing yet but it probably takes a week or two?
mbonheur
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I would rather take it three times a day. I thought you would follow the instructions to test the product 
Tribulus is normally taken 6-8 weeks, so don't expect anything after two days. Personally, my libido increases a few days after starting it.
And obviously, expectations should be realistic with regard to a natural anabolic.
Tribulus is normally taken 6-8 weeks, so don't expect anything after two days. Personally, my libido increases a few days after starting it.
And obviously, expectations should be realistic with regard to a natural anabolic.
The_Old_Guy
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I would rather take it three times a day. I thought you would follow the instructions to test the product
Tribulus is normally taken 6-8 weeks, so don't expect anything after two days. Personally, my libido increases a few days after starting it.
And obviously, expectations should be realistic with regard to a natural anabolic.
What's it got, like a 30 min half-life?
Is there any scientific research showing *why* every 8 hours (7AM, 3PM, 11PM would work)? So $60 to just start seeing the effects after 8 weeks? OMG, what a RACKET they have going, LOL!It did come pretty quick though, and the guy uses PayPal, so your Credit Card isn't being used in Bulgarian Strip Clubs :thumbsup:
vujade
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last time I ran it solo, I started to notice it around a week in...
Pec.Major
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What's it got, like a 30 min half-life?
I'm noticing after one dag @ 800mg that I'm more thirsty. Something is happening, I can feel it!
mbonheur
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Well, it was yourself who said to follow instructions on labels to test a product. What you obviously don't doWhat's it got, like a 30 min half-life?
It did come pretty quick though, and the guy uses PayPal, so your Credit Card isn't being used in Bulgarian Strip Clubs
There is research showing that it is better spread out. If I remember correctly, you were not getting a lot of Turkesterone and Mass Pro Synthagen either, so I would be surprised if you were impressed by real Tribulus.
You are already a seasoned natty anabolic tester, so yes, it takes some time to kick in. And Ecdysterone has a half life which is even less than 30 minutes.
The_Old_Guy
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Well, it was yourself who said to follow instructions on labels to test a product. What you obviously don't do
It's day 3, I can change, LOL.
Links for how 3x/day is better than 2x/day?
Never tried Turk, but did use two bottles at full strength of MassPro Synthagen (*with* Cherry Juice) - it took away *some* soreness from workouts that I had been doing for a while, but totally got it's a$$ kicked when introducing new movements, for about two weeks. Definitely not worth the money for me, and it may have been just the Cherry Juice..
The_Old_Guy
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Pec.Major
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After one day? Wow, a lot of drugs don't work that fast... be careful of placebo
Probably just a coincidente.
Any recommended dosage time? With meals? Pre/post workout?
The_Old_Guy
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LOL, I was just funnin' with ya ?
7AM, 3PM, and 11PM would be equally divided dosing - but I don't think it matters. No idea on if food helps anything.
Danes
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Food or no food=same
Taking one dose or split= same (as long your stomach handle it)
mbonheur
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I would just follow the label. I use one dose before workout (they actually put tribulus in their pre which is overpriced), it gives a little edge for training.
mbonheur
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The few studies that show that Tribulus actually works (even if not increasing testosterone or anything directly) use divided doses, while one common study that shows no result uses a single dose. I prefer split doses, but no idea whether it changes a lot. Same with ecdysterone btwFood or no food=same
Taking one dose or split= same (as long your stomach handle it)
Anyways, the studies on Tribulus are pretty poor btw, I am surprised there is no better literature on this topic given its long existence.
Danes
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Honestly, one dose or split doses = same. The way furostanol/steroidal saponins works , it will not be huge difference .
Ecdysterone is different , and i would take it frequent than just one huge dose
Pec.Major
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Alright. Yeah, that pre workout looks kind of rubish.
Retibol, which is RCE ecdysterone, is recommended 2 cap pre workout and 1 cap post workout. And spread out during the day on rest days. Three caps from Retibol is 108mg of ecdysterone, supposed to be enough for a male over 80kg.
jameschoi
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Anyone sell Reitbol in the USA.
Pec.Major
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No, I don't think so. Only Sweden and Russia what I'm aware of.
The_Old_Guy
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The thing about all those "Multi-Ingredient" products (Retibol? Can't find a label, but anyway...) - is that you have no idea what, is doing what. I mean "hey, take EAA's, Beta-Alanine, RCE, and whatever else - oh, with Cherry Juice too" and OMG Rhaponticum is the shiznit! Please...
Pec.Major
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Took a picture on the ingredients. I says "ethanolextract of Stemmacantha Carthamoides (root) standardized for ecdysterone.
It apparently works through estrogen receptor beta. But I get your point.
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Danes
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For those who is not familiar with stemmachanta, it is actually different name for Rhaponticum carthamoides/leuzea
Mixelflick
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Where are you getting "Retibol"?
The original Retibol goes back to Atletika, an American sports nutrition company run by Rick Brunner. It was an Ecdysterone product that went through various iterations/capsule and tablet forms. It is LONG gone though, as it was sold circa the early 90's. I'm most curious, so please link me via PM if the board doesn't allow it.
Thank you
jt75
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Seems it's from a swedish company called eiselt research.
They have a Facebook page with all the info in swedish and no option to translate so I pasted it into Google translate. Some info might be lost in translation.
Retibol originated in the former Soviet Union where the preparation was part of the Olympic Medical Program and is often used to extend the anabolic effect of currently unauthorized AAS. Retibol is a biologically active substance that has a direct anabolic effect on the muscle cells, thus helping the body adapt to hard workout. With Retibol you can allow you to exercise more often and harder without significantly increasing the risk of overtraining. For this reason, Retibol is advantageously used for exercise, where you will increase the exercise volume and intensity to max within 15-25 days. After this period, a recovery period of 5-7 days follows. You take Retibol throughout the period. In elite rides where the exercise volume is often very high, Retibol is an excellent tool for improving body recovery and is used with advantage with the EsaPro V2. Retibol is anabolic - but in another way Unlike AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids) that get a muscle building effect by binding to androgen receptors, Retibol has no own receptor. Retibol binds instead to ER beta, a receptor that contributes to muscle build-up. Retibol also helps to lower both 17-β-estradiol (the estrogen formed when testosterone is aromatized) and corticosteroids. 1,2,3 The anabolic effect of Retibol was documented by 2015 in a German study, finding that the anabolic strength is comparable or even stronger than methandrostenolone (Dianabol). This has also been shown earlier in a Russian study.4.6 *"The anabolic potency of the *Ecdysterone was comparable or even higher than found for the anabolic androgenic steroids, SARMs or IGF-1 " Source: Ecdysteroids: A novel class of anabolic agents? Retibol has also undergone studies in Estonia at the University of Tartu with athletes at the elite level as an attempted object5. In the survey, athletes were divided into three groups and they received either Retibol, Rose or Ashwagandha. The athletes who received rose roots and ashwagandha did not perform better in any of the test parameters, while the Retibol group enriched its performance and strength in parallel with an increase in muscle mass. Athletes also felt that they felt better / less tired, which can be assumed because Retibol helps raise the threshold for overtraining as these athletes usually practice 6 days a week and often twice daily. **"Retibol is the most powerful natural anabolic known in the world" Source: A former head of the medical program of the Soviet & Russian Olympic Teams In a study carried out in 2000 by Syrov et al in rats, increases in muscle mass were shown with an oral dose of 5mg / kg6. HED (human equivalent dose) is thus 0.81 mg Retibol / kg body weight. Thus, 2 tablets retibol suffice for most. It is possible to increase the dose a little, but there is no need to exaggerate the dose, as no evidence suggests that more results are better, rather that the megadoser produces a poorer effect. Read more about protein synthesis here. DOSAGE: 0.81mg / kg body weight. Take a tablet before exercise and a tablet after. If you weigh more than 80 kg, you increase to two tablets before exercise and one after. On training days, the dose is spread throughout the day. The recommended daily dose (2-3 tablets per day) should not be exceeded. * * CONTENTS / tab Fytoekdysteroider 0.036g PACKAGING 100 tablets, reaches 2 cures in 16-25 days depending on dose. INGREDIENTS: Phytonic steroids, tablet aids: Fillers (microcrystalline cellulose), surface treatment agents (magnesium stearate, antifungal agents (silica). Allergen - CONTRAINDICATIONS Retibol should be used with caution if you are taking blood-thinning medicines at the same time. SUPPLEMENTS Store dry and out of reach of children. Should not be used as an alternative to varied diet.
They have a Facebook page with all the info in swedish and no option to translate so I pasted it into Google translate. Some info might be lost in translation.
Retibol originated in the former Soviet Union where the preparation was part of the Olympic Medical Program and is often used to extend the anabolic effect of currently unauthorized AAS. Retibol is a biologically active substance that has a direct anabolic effect on the muscle cells, thus helping the body adapt to hard workout. With Retibol you can allow you to exercise more often and harder without significantly increasing the risk of overtraining. For this reason, Retibol is advantageously used for exercise, where you will increase the exercise volume and intensity to max within 15-25 days. After this period, a recovery period of 5-7 days follows. You take Retibol throughout the period. In elite rides where the exercise volume is often very high, Retibol is an excellent tool for improving body recovery and is used with advantage with the EsaPro V2. Retibol is anabolic - but in another way Unlike AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids) that get a muscle building effect by binding to androgen receptors, Retibol has no own receptor. Retibol binds instead to ER beta, a receptor that contributes to muscle build-up. Retibol also helps to lower both 17-β-estradiol (the estrogen formed when testosterone is aromatized) and corticosteroids. 1,2,3 The anabolic effect of Retibol was documented by 2015 in a German study, finding that the anabolic strength is comparable or even stronger than methandrostenolone (Dianabol). This has also been shown earlier in a Russian study.4.6 *"The anabolic potency of the *Ecdysterone was comparable or even higher than found for the anabolic androgenic steroids, SARMs or IGF-1 " Source: Ecdysteroids: A novel class of anabolic agents? Retibol has also undergone studies in Estonia at the University of Tartu with athletes at the elite level as an attempted object5. In the survey, athletes were divided into three groups and they received either Retibol, Rose or Ashwagandha. The athletes who received rose roots and ashwagandha did not perform better in any of the test parameters, while the Retibol group enriched its performance and strength in parallel with an increase in muscle mass. Athletes also felt that they felt better / less tired, which can be assumed because Retibol helps raise the threshold for overtraining as these athletes usually practice 6 days a week and often twice daily. **"Retibol is the most powerful natural anabolic known in the world" Source: A former head of the medical program of the Soviet & Russian Olympic Teams In a study carried out in 2000 by Syrov et al in rats, increases in muscle mass were shown with an oral dose of 5mg / kg6. HED (human equivalent dose) is thus 0.81 mg Retibol / kg body weight. Thus, 2 tablets retibol suffice for most. It is possible to increase the dose a little, but there is no need to exaggerate the dose, as no evidence suggests that more results are better, rather that the megadoser produces a poorer effect. Read more about protein synthesis here. DOSAGE: 0.81mg / kg body weight. Take a tablet before exercise and a tablet after. If you weigh more than 80 kg, you increase to two tablets before exercise and one after. On training days, the dose is spread throughout the day. The recommended daily dose (2-3 tablets per day) should not be exceeded. * * CONTENTS / tab Fytoekdysteroider 0.036g PACKAGING 100 tablets, reaches 2 cures in 16-25 days depending on dose. INGREDIENTS: Phytonic steroids, tablet aids: Fillers (microcrystalline cellulose), surface treatment agents (magnesium stearate, antifungal agents (silica). Allergen - CONTRAINDICATIONS Retibol should be used with caution if you are taking blood-thinning medicines at the same time. SUPPLEMENTS Store dry and out of reach of children. Should not be used as an alternative to varied diet.
Danes
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It is but its also true. (In rats).
Actually, there is no other compound which has stronger anabolic effect than Ecdysterone (in rats). Its even stronger than DHT,SARM,IGF1, Dianabol etc.
So yes, quality Ecdysterone has nice potential in humans but it cant be compared to steroids in humans.
Eiselt Reibol was used in 2 European Studies done by Estonian Researchers (NOT sponsed by Eiselt).
1. Study
They had 3 groups all groups got Adaptogens.
1. With ashwagandha
2. With Rosea
3. Rhaponticum carthamoides/leuzea (Retibol with 2 caps daily giving just 72mg ecdysterone).
It was well trained athletes and the stufy was 30 day long.
Group 1 and 2 didnt increased strength nor size while retibol group increased Body weight and strength.
I mean it is impressive because it was just 30 days and they used well trained athletes.
2. Study:
Retibol group vs Placebo (low doses of maltodextrin).
Retibol group gaines size and strength.
K.paat, M. Viru, H. Valk, AN.Viru: effects of rhaponticum carthamoides supplementation on the performance of speed-strength athletes; presented at the 5:th Congress of European Sport Science- july 2000.
Will paste full study here (sent mail to Estonian researchers).
The_Old_Guy
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So is this a peer reviewed, published, study - or was it just a presentation at a conference? I can't find it printed anywhere?
Danes
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I sent them email so I hope they send me thr study
Pec.Major
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You noticed anything buddy? I been using it at 1200mg for a week now. The only thing I have noticed is an increased libido. Which is nice. Training is going good as well. Low on funds right now but will order 30g powder so I don´t run out, only 5-6 days left from the caps. Will increase dosage to 1500mg as well.
Does the powder dissolve well in water? I was thinking on doing 500mg in my pre workout, I guess the pre workout will taste bitter.
The_Old_Guy
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You noticed anything buddy? I been using it at 1200mg for a week now. The only thing I have noticed is an increased libido. Which is nice. Training is going good as well. Low on funds right now but will order 30g powder so I don´t run out, only 5-6 days left from the caps. Will increase dosage to 1500mg as well.
Does the powder dissolve well in water? I was thinking on doing 500mg in my pre workout, I guess the pre workout will taste bitter.
Nah, but I'm on TRT, so.... I won't repurchase unless something awesome happens during the second tub.
Pec.Major
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Ah, alright. Tastewise and mixability is alright though?
Spread out and one dose pre workout is what I am doing. It was a little rough on the stomach the first days for me, so taking 1500mg in one dose could be a problem.
The_Old_Guy
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It's bitter, as stated, but really, nothing like liquid RC MK-677
Mine is either going into something with Cayenne Pepper or Tomato Juice - both with Glycine (sweet), so I don't really taste it. But who cares - it isn't *that* bad
Danes
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No matter how good natural T booster you get, while on TRT, it would feels like peeing in ocean
mbonheur
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So trueNo matter how good natural T booster you get, while on TRT, it would feels like peeing in ocean
thebigt
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No matter how good natural T booster you get, while on TRT, it would feels like peeing in ocean
sorry, my friend but I strongly disagree.
The_Old_Guy
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No matter how good natural T booster you get, while on TRT, it would feels like peeing in ocean
So useless for anyone in the TRT range then - basically 0-30 year olds ? Gotcha.
Danes
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You are beyond "normal" TRT range
almost 900 if I remember right. That is normal but HIIIIGH normal range
Danes
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For T levels its useless, but sure, if it has adaptogen effect etc., It may give other benefits
I mean, Tongkat Ali, Tribulus and no matter what compound you use, it will not increase even 1% of T if you are in high normal range