Trestolone

Swolljaboi said:
Another question. I had planned to start erase on my third week of pct to prevent estro rebound. How would running formeron during cycle interact with this? Would it be too much AI?
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It doesn't matter. I always use Formeron (or Aromasin) when I'm using aromatizing compounds and I also use Arimistane as a part of PCT protocol. Just remember to taper it down.

Brundel (owner of BLR) says that Formeron can be used as a part of PCT too so in theory you could take it instead of Erase. But it can convert to 4-hydroxytest so I've decided to not use it during PCT, just to be safe.
 
halfhuman said:
Lol didn't even know that. First Finland person I've ever met lol. Well not technically
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You didn't notice how bad I'm at writing English? Thanks!

Do you remember ConcreteConny? He is (or at least used to be) a rep of SNS. He is from Finland too. Great guy who knows his sh*t - I would take advice from him anyday!
 
edje007 said:
I'm dutch.....you knew that? didn't you?

We europeans are all over the place....lol
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The man whore from red light districts of Amsterdam...

j/k

My good friend is in Amsterdam as we speak. She asked me to come by but I'll have to pass it this time - I'll head to Istanbul next month and I can't afford doing many trips abroad :(
 
g0hardorgohom said:
You didn't notice how bad I'm at writing English? Thanks! Do you remember ConcreteConny? He is (or at least used to be) a rep of SNS. He is from Finland too. Great guy who knows his sh*t - I would take advice from him anyday!
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Lol no. I'm not here to critique people's proper English lol.

Yea I haven't seem him online in a while. Unless I didn't realize.
 
halfhuman said:
Lol no. I'm not here to critique people's proper English lol.

Yea I haven't seem him online in a while. Unless I didn't realize.
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He is not very active nowadays. Every now and then he chats with me on PHF. He did a succesfull cycle of methylstenbolone lately and gained lots of strength... And I heard that he'd be tempted to step to the "dark side" now (well, I may have my part in it).

I guess being married (and if I recall right, he build a new house lately) makes it harder to spend time online.
 
Swolljaboi said:
I am planning a 6 week epi cycle next month. I had originally planned to run dermacrine alongside to combat lethargy etc. This tr3st sounds much better but I only have one other mild cycle under my belt. Would stacking these two be too extreme for me? And would an additional AI be necessary considering the antiE effects of epi?
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Since epi minimize or even get rid of gyno I think it would be a great stack with trest, since trest raises e levels.
 
808shredded said:
Since epi minimize or even get rid of gyno I think it would be a great stack with trest, since trest raises e levels.
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I think something more androgenic would be better. I think adding low dose stano would be a good plan, as it's what I'm doing.
 
Mystere3 said:
I only know one person from Finland and she was pretty f-ing hot lol
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I prefer foreigner girls. My girl is from Finland like me, she is a blonde and smokin' hot but most Finnish girls are... well, I don't know what the English word is for it. They never smile and they're grumpy :( They like foreign guys though.

808shredded said:
Since epi minimize or even get rid of gyno I think it would be a great stack with trest, since trest raises e levels.
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It would be a great stack but gyno removal properties of Epi are pretty much just broscience. Rumour that has been sticking around since Epi first came out. Nonmethylated counterpart of it is an AI but Epi is not. Better have an AI like Aromasin or maybe Formeron on hand.

Mystere3 said:
I think something more androgenic would be better. I think adding low dose stano would be a good plan, as it's what I'm doing.
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Better have AI on hand with Stano too. I'd imagine that Stano + TR3ST could be a great "feel-good" stack. Throw in some D-Plex if you can find it and you'd feel like a god.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
He is not very active nowadays. Every now and then he chats with me on PHF. He did a succesfull cycle of methylstenbolone lately and gained lots of strength... And I heard that he'd be tempted to step to the "dark side" now (well, I may have my part in it). I guess being married (and if I recall right, he build a new house lately) makes it harder to spend time online.
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Ohhh I like that place to but I'm hardly over there. Nicee. Good to hear. I
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I prefer foreigner girls. My girl is from Finland like me, she is a blonde and smokin' hot but most Finnish girls are... well, I don't know what the English word is for it.
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Word you're looking for is "bitches". Then again, every Finnish girl I've met has been stunning, and if you're not hanging around, the personality isn't a problem...
 
Gw44 said:
Already got me some epi and Tr3st doe :( I just changed my mind from a bulk to a cut cause I don't wanna be chubby for summer.
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Diet is key. ...not the products. Ofcourse you can recomp, or cut on epi and tr3st:)
 
Gw44 said:
Already got me some epi and Tr3st doe :( I just changed my mind from a bulk to a cut cause I don't wanna be chubby for summer.
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You'll love it. People over at PHF think that trestolone is great for cutting and recomping too. On cycle you might look better with Epi/TR3N but after cycle when you've shred that possible water retention, you'll look great. Diet is what dictates. Keep your sodium intake low and remember to take your AI.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
You'll love it. People over at PHF think that trestolone is great for cutting and recomping too. On cycle you might look better with Epi/TR3N but after cycle when you've shred that possible water retention, you'll look great. Diet is what dictates. Keep your sodium intake low and remember to take your AI.
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What would you recommend for pct? I got tr3st and forma coming my way right now.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
You'll love it. People over at PHF think that trestolone is great for cutting and recomping too. On cycle you might look better with Epi/TR3N but after cycle when you've shred that possible water retention, you'll look great. Diet is what dictates. Keep your sodium intake low and remember to take your AI.
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havent grabbed my pct yet. Might grab some letro for pct to help shed water
 
Gw44 said:
havent grabbed my pct yet. Might grab some letro for pct to help shed water
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I would never recommend to use letro as a part of PCT. Letro is the last resort which should only be used if you have a gyno and anything else doesn't work. It's harsh stuff.

I'd recommend following PCT protocol:

- Clomid 50/50/25/25
- SUP3R PCT, taper it down. One bottle has 120 caps so you could do something like this for example: days 1-19 4 caps/day, days 20-26 3 caps/day, days 27-34 2 caps/day, days 35-41 1 cap/day

Arimistane in SUP3R PCT will help to shed that water. Other products with Arimistane works as well but SUP3R PCT has L-Dopa in it which is handy after a cycle of TR3ST because it helps to take care of prolactin levels too.

I know that some people use Formeron during PCT as well. I'm a huge fan of Formeron but I never use it during PCT because of possible suppression. After all, it is a precursor to 4-hydroxytestosterone.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I would never recommend to use letro as a part of PCT. Letro is the last resort which should only be used if you have a gyno and anything else doesn't work. It's harsh stuff. I'd recommend following PCT protocol: - Clomid 50/50/25/25 - SUP3R PCT, taper it down. One bottle has 120 caps so you could do something like this for example: days 1-19 4 caps/day, days 20-26 3 caps/day, days 27-34 2 caps/day, days 35-41 1 cap/day Arimistane in SUP3R PCT will help to shed that water. Other products with Arimistane works as well but SUP3R PCT has L-Dopa in it which is handy after a cycle of TR3ST because it helps to take care of prolactin levels too. I know that some people use Formeron during PCT as well. I'm a huge fan of Formeron but I never use it during PCT because of possible suppression. After all, it is a precursor to 4-hydroxytestosterone.
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What if I had a Tr3st, Tr3n, and Epi cycle?! Haha.

And I have a OTC pct product already but I will most likely grab some super pct as well.
 
Gw44 said:
What if I had a Tr3st, Tr3n, and Epi cycle?! Haha.

And I have a OTC pct product already but I will most likely grab some super pct as well.
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It can be done, but I personally wouldn't run TR3N and TR3ST simultaneously. I would run TR3N first - my reasoning is that it'd be great to feel good in the last weeks of your cycle and TR3ST will make you feel good. If you start with TR3ST and finish with TR3N... well, I'd imagine that the last few weeks wouldn't be as fun as the first weeks due to possible crash in libido and energy levels.

I'd do something like this:
- TR3N 60/90/120/120 (1 bottle)
- TR3ST 0/0/0/0/50/75/100/100/100 (1 bottle)
- Epi 30/45/45/45/45/45/0/0/0 (1 bottle)

It'd be total of 9 weeks. You'd up the TR3ST when you drop Epi to keep the gain train rolling.

With long and strong cycles like that I'd always recommend to get blood work done. And better have good support supps!

But this is just one man's opinion. It can be done differently too and I know that many guys can handle trendione and trestolone at the same time.
 
Is 50/day of tr3st enough for energy libido benefits? For comparison sake I've took stano at 600-800 with mdrol and I was still zombie'ing around with a limp noodle.

Also does starting compounds like tr3st/stano later in cycle like week 2-4 too late for any of you? Is it critical for any of you to catch and aid libido/energy before it's gone or will those things give you a boost regardless?

I know I dosed my stano low, but didn't feel shiit, so wondering if it's a matter of starting it too late or too low a dose, and how I can avoid these issues with tr3st.
 
squirtguns89 said:
Is 50/day of tr3st enough for energy libido benefits? For comparison sake I've took stano at 600-800 with mdrol and I was still zombie'ing around with a limp noodle.

Also does starting compounds like tr3st/stano later in cycle like week 2-4 too late for any of you? Is it critical for any of you to catch and aid libido/energy before it's gone or will those things give you a boost regardless?

I know I dosed my stano low, but didn't feel shiit, so wondering if it's a matter of starting it too late or too low a dose, and how I can avoid these issues with tr3st.
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What you would stack with it?

50mg/day will be plenty for most people for libido boosting/lethargy combatting purposes and it is easy to up the dose to 75mg/day if needed. I'd start it at 50mg/day anyway and keep it there for at least a week before upping the dose.

It depends on why your libido is gone. If it is gone because of shutdown of natural testosterone production, TR3ST (or Stano) will probably help. TR3ST works extremely fast. But if your libido is gone because of sky high estrogen or elevated prolactin levels, odds are that they won't help.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
What you would stack with it?

50mg/day will be plenty for most people for libido boosting/lethargy combatting purposes and it is easy to up the dose to 75mg/day if needed. I'd start it at 50mg/day anyway and keep it there for at least a week before upping the dose.

It depends on why your libido is gone. If it is gone because of shutdown of natural testosterone production, TR3ST (or Stano) will probably help. TR3ST works extremely fast. But if your libido is gone because of sky high estrogen or elevated prolactin levels, odds are that they won't help.
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Epi@ 30/40/40/40/40/40

Or sd to epi

epi- 0/10/40/40/40/40/40
Sd- 20/20/10 or 0/0/0/0

I know methyl on methyl is a no no, but would sd be a bad idea For a small dose of sd in week 3 to keep the punch strong till epi kicks in?

Tr3st at 0/50/75/75/75/75/75 either way.

Only pondering the legitimacy of the 50 dose of tr3st cause if it was potent enough I could run it at 50 a little longer and stretch my cycle to 8 weeks.

I've noticed piss poor energy/libido on sd so it shouldn't be estro/prolactin right, therefor I can kinda assume it was test issues and just didn't dose my stano high enough? 6-800 of stano did schit for me other than mild body comp.
 
squirtguns89 said:
Epi@ 30/40/40/40/40/40

Or sd to epi

epi- 0/10/40/40/40/40/40
Sd- 20/20/10 or 0/0/0/0

I know methyl on methyl is a no no, but would sd be a bad idea For a small dose of sd in week 3 to keep the punch strong till epi kicks in?

Tr3st at 0/50/75/75/75/75/75 either way.

Only pondering the legitimacy of the 50 dose of tr3st cause if it was potent enough I could run it at 50 a little longer and stretch my cycle to 8 weeks.

I've noticed piss poor energy/libido on sd so it shouldn't be estro/prolactin right, therefor I can kinda assume it was test issues and just didn't dose my stano high enough? 6-800 of stano did schit for me other than mild body comp.
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Everyone responds differently but you'll notice soon whether 50mg of TR3ST is enough or not.

There is no point in running Epi at 10mg/day for a week. It won't do anything at that dose.

There is also no point in tapering SD down. Taper it up if anything.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Everyone responds differently but you'll notice soon whether 50mg of TR3ST is enough or not.

There is no point in running Epi at 10mg/day for a week. It won't do anything at that dose.

There is also no point in tapering SD down. Taper it up if anything.
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Yeah I guess it's hard to say.

My intentions weren't to taper in the traditional sense of being cautious, but to start to get the epi saturating before I come off the sd, and stay on the sd at a low dose while the Epi is kicking in. But maybe that's a dumb idea.


What's your opinion of arimidex for on cycle ai? I know you said no letro, and are a big fan of forma or aromasin, but I think there will be a good sale on arimidex and only plan to use an ai if needed.
 
squirtguns89 said:
Yeah I guess it's hard to say.

My intentions weren't to taper in the traditional sense of being cautious, but to start to get the epi saturating before I come off the sd, and stay on the sd at a low dose while the Epi is kicking in. But maybe that's a dumb idea.


What's your opinion of arimidex for on cycle ai? I know you said no letro, and are a big fan of forma or aromasin, but I think there will be a good sale on arimidex and only plan to use an ai if needed.
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Half life of Epi is relatively short so if you take only one 10mg cap per day, it'll be out of your system before you take your next dose... So it won't really build up at that dose.

Arimidex works :)
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Half life of Epi is relatively short so if you take only one 10mg cap per day, it'll be out of your system before you take your next dose... So it won't really build up at that dose.

Arimidex works :)
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well that makes sense if you put it that way lol. Since I'm running a, longer cycle should I keep my epi dose at 40 or ramp up to 50 at the end if I feel OK at that dose?

Other than not tapering, what do you think of my sd to epi Bridge? Should I overlap them or is that too harsh?

Cool, so you do think arimidex is an appropriate ai, I would take forma but I got a lot little one around the house and I'm paranoid about having stuff on my skin..Probably silly.
 
squirtguns89 said:
4. Epi, Halo, sd. And Stacked sd+stano recently. Thinking I should just run epi/tr3st stack. I like sd@20 but not even going to consider that over 4 weeks so I was thinking it might be a fun kick start.
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Ohh okk. Epi n tr3st is golden. Run that
 
halfhuman said:
Ohh okk. Epi n tr3st is golden. Run that
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I typically run 4 week cycles so It probably is adding to my confusion but I'm sick of such short cycles.

How long and high would you run epi personally? I'm going to run tr3st for 6 weeks and start at week 2. So I'll have 7 weeks on stuff total.
 
squirtguns89 said:
I typically run 4 week cycles so It probably is adding to my confusion but I'm sick of such short cycles.

How long and high would you run epi personally? I'm going to run tr3st for 6 weeks and start at week 2. So I'll have 7 weeks on stuff total.
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I like the idea of Epi/TR3ST stack. I wouldn't stack other 17a-alkylated orals with SD. Stuff is rat poison.

I'd run Epi at 30/45/45/45/45/45. You can start TR3ST at weeks 2 if you want and run it at 50/75/75/75/75/75 so the cycle would be total of 7 weeks.
 
squirtguns89 said:
I typically run 4 week cycles so It probably is adding to my confusion but I'm sick of such short cycles. How long and high would you run epi personally? I'm going to run tr3st for 6 weeks and start at week 2. So I'll have 7 weeks on stuff total.
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Epi-45/45/45/45/45/45 if no sides and funds permit for another bottle run 60 the last two or three weeks
Tr3st- IMO I would run tr3st for 8 weeks.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I like the idea of Epi/TR3ST stack. I wouldn't stack other 17a-alkylated orals with SD. Stuff is rat poison. I'd run Epi at 30/45/45/45/45/45. You can start TR3ST at weeks 2 if you want and run it at 50/75/75/75/75/75 so the cycle would be total of 7 weeks.
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Oh damn. I didn't even realized that. Thank. Scratch that sd lol
 
8 weeks of TR3ST would be great of course if you don't mind buying two bottles - or if you are happy with 50mg/day. You could up it to 75mg/day after dropping Epi :)
 
pimppapa1977 said:
Not to hijack, but ,aren't there some descent tr3st clones out there?
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As far as I know, only trestolone products are TR3ST ($25/gram of trestolone) and Celtic Trestobol ($39/gram of trestolone - on sale. Regular price is $60/gram).
 
Thanks guys. Yeah sd ain't a walk in the park lol. I'm trying to use up stuff I got, and have epi @ 10mg. Which means I either run 40 or 50?

50 seems high from old stuff I remember reading but there's many different opinions on all this stuff.

I'm kinda wishing I got 2 bottles of trest but wanted to give it a try first so it'll have to be a 7 weaker if I still want to dose it decent.

Never used arimidex either, so I'm hoping it will suit my needs.
 
Kickoff

g0hardorgohom said:
8 weeks of TR3ST would be great of course if you don't mind buying two bottles - or if you are happy with 50mg/day. You could up it to 75mg/day after dropping Epi :)
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When you say 8 wks of Tr3st do you recommend kicking off Tr3st for the first 2 wks, then the following 6 wks with Epi and Formeron?
 
squirtguns89 said:
Thanks guys. Yeah sd ain't a walk in the park lol. I'm trying to use up stuff I got, and have epi @ 10mg. Which means I either run 40 or 50?

50 seems high from old stuff I remember reading but there's many different opinions on all this stuff.

I'm kinda wishing I got 2 bottles of trest but wanted to give it a try first so it'll have to be a 7 weaker if I still want to dose it decent.

Never used arimidex either, so I'm hoping it will suit my needs.
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Sweet spot for me is 50mg/day but everybody is different.. Start it low to find your sweet spot. If you have 2 bottles, you could do something like this for example: 30/40/40/50/50/50

One bottle of TR3ST is definitely enough to make you happy. And Arimidex works - it's possible that you don't even need it but better have it on hand.

pimppapa1977 said:
When you say 8 wks of Tr3st do you recommend kicking off Tr3st for the first 2 wks, then the following 6 wks with Epi and Formeron?
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It's about personal preference. Some people like to run other compounds as a "kick start", some people like to run them at the tail end of the cycle.

Better have Formeron on hand the day you start your cycle.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Sweet spot for me is 50mg/day but everybody is different.. Start it low to find your sweet spot. If you have 2 bottles, you could do something like this for example: 30/40/40/50/50/50

One bottle of TR3ST is definitely enough to make you happy. And Arimidex works - it's possible that you don't even need it but better have it on hand.



It's about personal preference. Some people like to run other compounds as a "kick start", some people like to run them at the tail end of the cycle.

Better have Formeron on hand the day you start your cycle.
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will do!!! Thanks!
 
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