I plan to run a cycle with test, trenavar, and stack it with either msten or dmz. Does anyone have any knowledge/experience on which two would be better for bulking? Ive ran msten before and had great gains. Is dmz stronger?
What was the brand?I got no results from dmz personally
Stacking 3 orals? That sounds a little bit too much, trenavar is already very strong, however ive read that dmz and msten are better in the size departmentWhy not both? =P
VL Necrobombs that were released way back when had msten/dmz/trest in them I believe. Tren and trest are similar from what I can tell. Trest just being more "wet" as it aromatizes like a bltch.
Anabolic TechnologiesWhat was the brand?
Looking up that brand, they put their liver detox stuff right in with their DMZ. Most notably the Milk Thistle I believe have some studies to back up it can hinder oral steroids.Anabolic Technologies
From what I read, DMZ is stronger.I plan to run a cycle with test, trenavar, and stack it with either msten or dmz. Does anyone have any knowledge/experience on which two would be better for bulking? Ive ran msten before and had great gains. Is dmz stronger?
That brand has had nothing but bad reviews since the ban passed. Yours was likely very under dosed or completely bunk altogether.Anabolic Technologies
Either bunk or I didn't respond; I remember seeing people saying dymethazine was a compound that was hit or missThat brand has had nothing but bad reviews since the ban passed. Yours was likely very under dosed or completely bunk altogether.
Doubtful. The whole "non-responder " thing is thrown around too casually sometimes. Some users won't gain half what another guy gains but that doesn't mean they didn't respond to the steroid. It means either their training/Nutrition wasn't on point or the product was underdosed.Either bunk or I didn't respond; I remember seeing people saying dymethazine was a compound that was hit or miss
**** was bunk then because my training was fine and I was eating more than I ever had at that time hahaDoubtful. The whole "non-responder " thing is thrown around too casually sometimes. Some users won't gain half what another guy gains but that doesn't mean they didn't respond to the steroid. It means either their training/Nutrition wasn't on point the product was underdosed.
I think the "non responder" thing actually exists lol i ran msten from brawn nutrition and made great strength gains and mass gains. Since the msten worked so well i assumed their other prohormones would be as effective. So I used their "tren" prohormone and I experienced no side effects whatsoever. Strength gains were minimal, and i was eating 3500 plus calories. Someone else logged this prohormone and said he had horrible sides, impotence, roid rage. And a lot of muscle gains. Either it was a bad batch or i was a nonresponderDoubtful. The whole "non-responder " thing is thrown around too casually sometimes. Some users won't gain half what another guy gains but that doesn't mean they didn't respond to the steroid. It means either their training/Nutrition wasn't on point or the product was underdosed.
Could i still be able to bulk with trenavar and epistane?Sten/Tren would be a great combo. A little drier than DMZ/Tren imo. You can't go wrong either way. Both are great compounds and yield very similar results. I found Sten to be just a tad drier. Mass and strength gains are a wash. I don't recommend stacking the two methyls unless you plan to do pre/post/post pct bloods. It really is an eye opener to see what just one methyl can do to your liver, blood pressure, and cholesterol levels, let alone two strong methyls + Tren. The added mass and strength from stacking would not be worth the increased risks IMO.
It's messing with hormones. That dude could have been a more naturally aggressive person. He could have also had other things included in his stack, perhaps he's on medications such as prozac, adderall, welbutrin, etc... that all effect personality and things like that. There's a ton of variables involved.Someone else logged this prohormone and said he had horrible sides, impotence, roid rage. And a lot of muscle gains. Either it was a bad batch or i was a nonresponder
Hell yes. Great stack. Nice n lean too!Could i still be able to bulk with trenavar and epistane?
Would you recommend adding the epistane towards the end of the cycle? I plan to run a cycle of 8-10 weeks.Hell yes. Great stack. Nice n lean too!
You could do it either way but I would rather start with 5-6 weeks of Epistane and then up the Tren for the last 2-3 weeks. Or, if you load up on cycle supports you can push it and run both for 8 weeks. I wouldn't push Epistane beyond that.Would you recommend adding the epistane towards the end of the cycle? I plan to run a cycle of 8-10 weeks.
Most people like to add "dryer" orals to the end of cycles to lean out, but I'm going to kickstart my first injectable cycle with epistaneWould you recommend adding the epistane towards the end of the cycle? I plan to run a cycle of 8-10 weeks.
Have you ran tr3n by olympus labs before? If so how effective was it for bulking? I think id rather add the msten with it instead of the epistane since my goal this cycle is mass.You could do it either way but I would rather start with 5-6 weeks of Epistane and then up the Tren for the last 2-3 weeks. Or, if you load up on cycle supports you can push it and run both for 8 weeks. I wouldn't push Epistane beyond that.
Sounds like a good combo to me, but I haven't tried trenavar yetHave you ran tr3n by olympus labs before? If so how effective was it for bulking? I think id rather add the msten with it instead of the epistane since my goal this cycle is mass.
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