thapr3dat0r
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Hey TZach, how was your libido/sexual function during cycle?
Trenadrol blood test results
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TZachM420
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Sex drive was almost completely gone by the end of the first week... wife was pissed, haha. So what would you guys suggest for PCT for my next cycle of tren? I've used nolva after a 6 week cycle of trenbolone and it seemed to work fine. I've heard that because nolva is in fact a very weak estrogen, it can have some bad synergistic effects with (progesterone or prolactin), I forget which exactly. But like I said I haven't had any problems in the past.
mikeyb123
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Clomid 100/100/50/50
Inhibite- 2/2/1/1/1/1/1eod
Then you can throw in some more stuff if you like like a natty test booster but I wouldnt put in to much!
pistonpump
Banned
Niacin will get ur lipids back good, 1-2 g each day
i think the "dont use nolva for pct for this and that is just a new online board parrot myth" Nolva works for me.
i think the "dont use nolva for pct for this and that is just a new online board parrot myth" Nolva works for me.
Kristofer68SS
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I got my info straight from the vendor. It was in the tamox description. They recommended not using Tamox for Progestins. TrenA and the likes.
We may have to agree to disagree. As I am aware of many successful tamox pct protocols with these orals....however i wont use Nolva for anything but test.
Another tidbit.
"Its troubling reading these threads, because it seems like people do not understand the actions of the compounds that they are reccomending. Aromatase inhibitors inhibit the aromatase enzyme, if you are suppressing the HPGA and using compounds that do not aromatize they are not exactly going to be beneficial.Tamoxifen is a SERM, one of its known activities is to upregulate the expression of the Progesterone receptor.Clomid is a SERM, not really suitable for gyno treatment but at least it does not upregulate the progesterone receptor. It is effective for PCT."
Kristofer68SS
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With that protocol.
I would delay the inhibit a couple weeks, and add a cortisol supp in at the same time.
Kristofer68SS
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AI and Get Diesel are damn good companies.
Some might say ya need a little more in pct.
Looks like a good stack for sure.
crazyfool405
Banned
When u got bloods done was it within the half life of it? Or after the halflife of it? Did u take any pills that day?
futurepilot
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No, but low dose clomid might. I'm thinking about trying 25mgs clomid ED next year when I run a cycle.
TZachM420
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jbradley1981
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wanna start trenadrol soon. i just finished trying out Diesel Test Hardc. just to see how i would react to it. This stuff is pretty good, I wonder if taking this and maybe inhibit-E would do the trick, i have nolva also, but just wanna know
TZachM420
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TZachM420
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skull
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I did a 5 wk cycle and worked my way up to 4caps pd [6.3/265] I really liked the strength gain but I started to feel like my kidneys where swollen so I cut it short--I was drinking plenty water and piss was not dark.I was also using letro [low dose] I didnt run any blood work but after seeing yours I think ill lower the dose next run
TZachM420
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Yeah I think it will work just fine with 2 caps per day. Maybe 3 for the last week. I think it's like all the other stuff. As long as you are seeing results, why up the dose? It just increases the risk of side effects exponentially while only moderately or barely improving gains. I like your quote, Skull.
mj34
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I'm glad to see everything came back good. It is always nice when people post bloodwork because this is the only true accuarate assesment as to what is going on inside our bodies. So, would you say its a mild version of the AAS Tren? I have tried Tren and gains are good but sides can be brutal; however; if kept under 300mgs for me anyways its tolerable. I'm on TRT and I have only tried Havoc and Pheraplex. I liked the p-plex a lot as it really increased my appetite and Havoc was ok but it kind of took away my appetite. A lot of orals that stress the liver tend to obliterate your appetite and I think this is a primary cause of appeite loss while on orals. Another question, people, actually a lot of people claim to get HBP when using this, did you? Or do you think that it is simply dose dependant, which I believe is the case in many situations? Thanks for sharing your bloodwork, it really helps people.
indianballer
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Yeah I got to say thank you for posting as well...Appreciate the hell out of it. Never would I hav imagined that kind of shut down in 3 weeks. I DID NOT know what I was getting into when I ran it. I saw the strength gains but I was stacking with Phera so my natty T had to be nill be the end of week 2. and I continued on shut down for 6 more weeks. No wonder i was feelin shitty toward the back end of the cycle. Interesting though...these findings should bring up some discussion about shorter runs with trenadrol...possibly backloading with it?
TZachM420
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I can't say for sure what Trenadrol is, but I have ran trenbolone before, and it felt very similar in terms of side effects. Based upon the sides and what everyone is saying about it, I think it definetly has to be at least related to trenbolone. I actually didn't check my BP very often, but the one or two times I did, it was about 135/75, which is around baseline for me. My weight fluctuates alot, and so does my BP, dropping to 125/70 when I'm lighter. I'll have to check BP everyday next time i run a cycle. Thanks for the rep points everyone, glad to be of assistance.
skull
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part of the problem with Tdrol trying to' prepare' yourself for sides during and pct--if you listen to" brotalk" then you might want to have things realated to progestins on hand---if you listen to what the CO say it is estra 4,9--dienolone then you want to treat it more like test,but after using Tdrol and real trenbolone I would have to say its close to tren[real tren, if used correctly may have less sides--for some]and a least you know for sure what your dealing with
TZachM420
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Thyroid Stimulating Hormone Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Thyrotropin SERUM 1.47 mcIU/L (0.47-5.01)
Testosterone Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Testosterone SERUM 6.73 <i> ng/mL (2.41-8.27)
Chem 7 Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Glucose SERUM 89 mg/dL (70-110)
Urea Nitrogen SERUM 18 mg/dL (6-19)
Creatinine SERUM 1.20 mg/dL (0.6-1.4)
Sodium SERUM 145 mmol/L (135-146)
Potassium SERUM 4.4 mmol/L (3.6-5.0)
Chloride SERUM 108 (H) mmol/L (99-107)
Carbon Dioxide SERUM 24.0 mmol/L (22-30)
Liver Function Test Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Albumin SERUM 4.6 g/dL (3.9-5.0)
Alkaline Phosphatase SERUM 44 U/L (32-105)
Aspartate Aminotransferase SERUM 32 U/L (16-51)
Alanine Aminotransferase SERUM 31 U/L (12-55)
Bilirubin SERUM 0.4 mg/dL (0.2-1.3)
Protein SERUM 7.5 g/dL (6.6-8.3)
Lactate Dehydrogenase SERUM 491 U/L (299-603)
Lipid Profile Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Cholesterol SERUM 168 mg/dL (120-215)
Triglyceride SERUM 100 mg/dL (5-241)
HDL Cholesterol SERUM 47.0 mg/dL (32-96)
LDL Cholesterol SERUM 101 mg/dL (0-145)
SO there it is. Looks like 3 weeks of 20 mg Nolvadex everyday returned my levels to about normal. I also took GNC triple strength fish oil pills one a day.
Thyrotropin SERUM 1.47 mcIU/L (0.47-5.01)
Testosterone Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Testosterone SERUM 6.73 <i> ng/mL (2.41-8.27)
Chem 7 Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Glucose SERUM 89 mg/dL (70-110)
Urea Nitrogen SERUM 18 mg/dL (6-19)
Creatinine SERUM 1.20 mg/dL (0.6-1.4)
Sodium SERUM 145 mmol/L (135-146)
Potassium SERUM 4.4 mmol/L (3.6-5.0)
Chloride SERUM 108 (H) mmol/L (99-107)
Carbon Dioxide SERUM 24.0 mmol/L (22-30)
Liver Function Test Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Albumin SERUM 4.6 g/dL (3.9-5.0)
Alkaline Phosphatase SERUM 44 U/L (32-105)
Aspartate Aminotransferase SERUM 32 U/L (16-51)
Alanine Aminotransferase SERUM 31 U/L (12-55)
Bilirubin SERUM 0.4 mg/dL (0.2-1.3)
Protein SERUM 7.5 g/dL (6.6-8.3)
Lactate Dehydrogenase SERUM 491 U/L (299-603)
Lipid Profile Site/Specimen 15 Apr 2009 0802 Units Ref Rng
Cholesterol SERUM 168 mg/dL (120-215)
Triglyceride SERUM 100 mg/dL (5-241)
HDL Cholesterol SERUM 47.0 mg/dL (32-96)
LDL Cholesterol SERUM 101 mg/dL (0-145)
SO there it is. Looks like 3 weeks of 20 mg Nolvadex everyday returned my levels to about normal. I also took GNC triple strength fish oil pills one a day.
westniles
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That is great news. Did you keep your strength and size gains so far?
Skigazzi
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Great to hear, thanks for sharing :006:
searl12
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funny thing is guys, this product isnt what it says on the label, its been tested now a few times and its coming back as a 19nor/ estra compound, I think kilosports should be ashamed that they are still marketing it as they are. Dont take my word for it though, either way the 19nors are potent stuff and its good to see the bloodwork is ok as I have a few bottles waiting to be consumed!
gwyatt79
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tzachm420 your the man. It's nice to see some hard evidence of what this product does to the body. Thanks for all the legwork and informing the community of your findings, I know this will help many. I just finished my first cycle of Tren and I can sleep better tonight knowing this info!
searl12
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really like that drawing man, im assuming your posted in south korea. My buddy is a teacher there for english or something.
thapr3dat0r
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Good job, soldier. Come on home. Thanks for everything
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Appears as if you recovered well! Great resource here, good on you!
thapr3dat0r
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South Korea is actually pretty developed. As a matter of fact it is one of the top major economies/powers in the world. North Korea is desperate and starving. Yes, many Americans as well as other peoples choose to live there. Seoul, the country's capital is a melting pot of multiple nationalities just like the US. Us military on the other hand don't really have a choice in where we are ordered to serve. We just take advantage of the parties :usa1::usa1::usa1:
TZachM420
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I've had a good time in Korea. I actually have a Korean wife. Korea is a modern nation, I believe the 8th largest economy in the world. The crime rate is very low here. I could go anywhere in Seoul by myself at any time day or night without the slightest worry. Most Koreans tend to be curious about me, and many of them speak some english. Occasionally college kids will protest at the gates of our bases, and some bars don't let G.I.'s in, but other than that I haven't experienced much prejudice.
TZachM420
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If you go to Korea be careful about any kind of drugs you take or even supplements as the laws here cover a lot more than US laws. A Korean guy I smoked a little pot with got in trouble, tested hot, and ratted me out. In Korea if the cops even suspect someone is using drugs they can court order a hair and urine sample to be given within three days. They popped me for having pot in my system and charged me a $2500 fine. I was under the military SOFA visa status, so I didn't spend any time in Korean jail, but other foreigners not in the military would sit in jail for a few months as soon as they tested hot. So it's definitely not worth taking anything risky over here. Found out the hard way 
TZachM420
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Korea has about 22 million people. Last year about 12,000 were arrested for meth amphetamines, 3,000 for cocaine or heroin, 5,000 for marijuana, and like 1000 for "other drugs". So the drug problem isn't big, but their laws are harsh and society has no tolerance for drugs at all. Most Koreans don't even know what drugs are or look like, just that the government drills it into their head that they are bad and dangerous. My biggest problem with their drug laws is the whole warrants for searching your home and car, and warrants for obtaining urine AND hair samples (which can detect stuff 3 months back, and are notoriously inaccurate) that are used as legal evidence to prosecute you.
I mean, I smoked bud twice over a weekend, didn't have anything left or any paraphernalia, so i thought i was good even after my name was in the paper and the cops were calling my chaind of command. I got the subpoena for the forced samples, and I was like "what the ****?!?*, no way they can do that (doesn't work like that in the US at all). Well the Army allowed them to violate my constitutional rights and forced me to give them a sample. Like I said before, I was lucky because even after i tested hot the Army got to maintain my custody. If you are just visiting or working as a civilian you'd be in jail for a few months until a judge reviewed your case. Moral of the story is Drugs + Korea = very bad idea.
I mean, I smoked bud twice over a weekend, didn't have anything left or any paraphernalia, so i thought i was good even after my name was in the paper and the cops were calling my chaind of command. I got the subpoena for the forced samples, and I was like "what the ****?!?*, no way they can do that (doesn't work like that in the US at all). Well the Army allowed them to violate my constitutional rights and forced me to give them a sample. Like I said before, I was lucky because even after i tested hot the Army got to maintain my custody. If you are just visiting or working as a civilian you'd be in jail for a few months until a judge reviewed your case. Moral of the story is Drugs + Korea = very bad idea.
thapr3dat0r
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Damn, that's rough
trenlaw
Banned
Tren Xtreme, Extreme Tren, Tren 250 and Trenbolen are the most popular brands under which a progestin steroid called 19-nor-4,9(10)-androstadienedione (aka 19-norandrosta-4,9(10)-diene-3,17-dione and esta-4,9,(10)-diene-3,17-dione) is sold. This synthetic steroid (commonly known as "Tren") imitates the effects of testosterone in the male body including the testosterone-suppression effects which excess testosterone levels produce. Thus although ingestion of Tren can result in dramatic muscle gain, it can also produce the same "roid rage" and testicular degeneration associated with testosterone ingestion.
The marketing for these Tren brands highlight and repeatedly stress the fact that because, unlike testosterone and testosterone prehormones, Tren cannot convert to estrogen, and therefore Tren will not produce estogen-associated side effects such as bloating or gynecomastia (commonly known as gyno, which consists of a hard and painful mass in the breast). Unfortunately this is not correct. Use of Tren can, and in many has resulted in gynecomastia, a condition which usually requires surgery to remedy. This may be due to Tren's suppression of estrogen or its progesterone-like effects or a combination of those effects. Whatever the mechanism, Tren is a powerful anabolic steroid and will soon be controlled as such by the FDA.
Unfortunately, because Tren has not been under FDA control, this powerful steroid has been marketed as a safe alternative to controlled anabolic steroids such as testosterone and its prohormones. Unsuspecting consumers of this powerful steroid, marketed as a "dietary supplement", have been surprised to experience all of the classic symptoms of an anabolic steroid such as the welcomed muscle gain but also the unwelcomed anger, aggression and gynecomastia. The gynecomastia comes as a particularly unpleasant surprise since these brands specifically advertise that the "supplement" does not cause gynecomastia.
Our law firm is filing a lawsuit against the manufacturers and retailers of the supplements containing Tren. If you have taken a supplement containing Tren and you have experienced unwanted side effects as a result, please see our website trenlaw.com for more information.
The marketing for these Tren brands highlight and repeatedly stress the fact that because, unlike testosterone and testosterone prehormones, Tren cannot convert to estrogen, and therefore Tren will not produce estogen-associated side effects such as bloating or gynecomastia (commonly known as gyno, which consists of a hard and painful mass in the breast). Unfortunately this is not correct. Use of Tren can, and in many has resulted in gynecomastia, a condition which usually requires surgery to remedy. This may be due to Tren's suppression of estrogen or its progesterone-like effects or a combination of those effects. Whatever the mechanism, Tren is a powerful anabolic steroid and will soon be controlled as such by the FDA.
Unfortunately, because Tren has not been under FDA control, this powerful steroid has been marketed as a safe alternative to controlled anabolic steroids such as testosterone and its prohormones. Unsuspecting consumers of this powerful steroid, marketed as a "dietary supplement", have been surprised to experience all of the classic symptoms of an anabolic steroid such as the welcomed muscle gain but also the unwelcomed anger, aggression and gynecomastia. The gynecomastia comes as a particularly unpleasant surprise since these brands specifically advertise that the "supplement" does not cause gynecomastia.
Our law firm is filing a lawsuit against the manufacturers and retailers of the supplements containing Tren. If you have taken a supplement containing Tren and you have experienced unwanted side effects as a result, please see our website trenlaw.com for more information.
wood23
Member
You can not save people from themselves. If people go to you to do this it will bring the spotlight on all other "legal supplements" and the majority of sensible people will be punished because of the stupidity of a few. Cigarettes kill people, alcohol kills..... go help those people tiger.
thapr3dat0r
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GTFO :wave2: