Tren

[B5150]

I'm not one to complain, but if being abused as a kid on the daily by two sherrifs, and two tours in Iraq, gave me depression and anxiety, well what can I do but deal with it? Not to mention a suicidal sister and drunk moms.

A lot of vets have mental issues. Do they stay away from drugs?

We all got issued. My HS age molestation and abuse from my alcoholic step father were kind of ducked up. Depression, anxiety, depravity, alcoholism, substance abuse, self loathing...

What's your point?

 

[Bintherduntht]

we all got issue. My HS age molestation and abuse from my alcoholic step father were kind of ducked me up.

What's your point?

My point is, according to Cgkone, you should "stay the **** away from drugs"

Unless being molested did not give you mental problems...

 

[B5150]

My point is, according to Cgkone, you should "stay the **** away from drugs"

Unless being molested did not give you mental problems...

Yes and being on AM arguing with strangers is indicative of our condition.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Yes and being on AM arguing with strangers is indicative of our condition.

I never came on this forum to argue...

I came to share my experience and learn from others.

For some reason when I post something, anything really, I've been getting flak. I don't know why. I'm stating facts! But if I'm ever wrong, please correct me

 

[B5150]

I never came on this forum to argue...

I came to share my experience and learn from others.

For some reason when I post something, anything really, I've been getting flak. I don't know why. I'm stating facts! But if I'm ever wrong, please correct me

Everyone that drinks isnt alcoholic and everyone that uses trenbolone is going to commit homocide.

Some people who drink are also alcoholic and some peooke who use sterouds will also commit homocide.

Im not in disagreement with the mental aspects but you generalize the extreme and its not fact.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Everyone that drinks isnt alcoholic and everyone that uses trenbolone is going to commit homocide.

Some people who drink are also alcoholic and some peooke who use sterouds will also commit homocide.

Im not in disagreement with the mental aspects but you generalize the extreme and its not fact.

I agree. Everyone is different. Some brains are just wired differently

 

[Joshbile]

Well, on a side note, my current cycle stack im on of trenavol and epi has gone amazing. Just finished week 3 and headed into week 4. Due to an unfortunate spilling accident my epi is gone tomorrow, however i did bridge in some megavol (SD) the past4 days as the epi decreased and things are going even more swimingly. Finishing last 2 1/2 -3 week's running tren at 90mg ed (down from 120mg during epi weeks) and the Megavol at 30mg ed. My mid cycle bloods came back excellent so im riding this out like a champ these last few weeks left.

So far up 10lbs in mass and know ill get at least another 8-10. On cycle support is kicking butt as well. Out of all 4 of the cycles i have done this is by far the best at the 3 week mark. No sides other than a little lethargy but that is due to my past few days of staying up too late binge watching netflix after the gym lol.

 

[B5150]

Trenavar? Girls trenbolone? Wrong thread!

 

[Bintherduntht]

Trenavar made me lactate. No gains. Nothing like tren!

 

[Outofbody]

I usually use ARB’s for BP because it also seems to work like cialis in the wood department but now I’m going to start looking at switching to ACE inhibitors during Tren cycles if it helps the kidneys.

 

[Cgkone]

My point is, according to Cgkone, you should "stay the **** away from drugs"

Unless being molested did not give you mental problems...

Well I've never been molested or abused.
I'm state raised.
That means I went from juvenile hall
To CYA to county jail to prison.
I turned 21 on a level 4 yard in Corcoran state prison.
I've abused and victimized lots of people.
Not sexually but physically.
Different type of war zone than IRAQ for Sure.
12 white boys on the yard
60 blacks and 38 Mexicans.
When the doors crack its going down.

The guys who made it were the ones who didn't think they were tough.
They just refused to run to the cops for help and refused to be a *****.
They just savaged the **** out!

My question to you tough guy, is what the **** did you think you were signing up for with the military?
Did you think it was a ballet class?

PTSD that's some new school ass ****.

I have major respect for men an women who are willing to give their lives for this country.

But not everybody is built for war.

But please stop including me in your blanket statements.

Your way is not the only way stud.

I can handle every drug at once we talk about on this site trust and believe that.
Nothing messes with my mind

 

[Cgkone]

I never came on this forum to argue...

I came to share my experience and learn from others.

For some reason when I post something, anything really, I've been getting flak. I don't know why. I'm stating facts! But if I'm ever wrong, please correct me

Its not that your wrong.
Its that you state your experience as fact for everyone else....and that's what's wrong.

 

[hamdysayed]

damn this thread was going good, maybe y'all convo should be done via PM.

 

[Cgkone]

Agreed my bad for derailing it

 

[Mrbolt84]

Has anybody ran low dose tren with TRT?
I'm thinking about adding in 200 mgs of tren e to my doc prescribed trt.

I've ran low dose masteron with trt and was surprised by the clean gains.
I'm wondering if low dose tren will provide a nice extra boost without the typical side effects

 

[B5150]

The ideal cycle regardless is just enough for results and not so much for sides. You can find your own sweet spot. Tren sides are not black and white person to person.

 

[Mrbolt84]

The ideal cycle regardless is just enough for results and not so much for sides. You can find yiur own sweet spot. Tren sides are not black and white.

Gotcha. I’ve ran tren e at higher doses before. I’m not into high dose gear anymore...I’m getting older...wiser I guess

I’m thinking low dose 200mgs’ish could be very benefit for recomping “safely” lol

 

[hairygrandpa]

Sh1t, this thread got "on" topic again, I was just about to tell everybody about my fugged up life.

In comparison, Cgkone 's experiences are "kids adventure summer camp".

:yup: :wink1:

 

[Bintherduntht]

Well I've never been molested or abused.
I'm state raised.
That means I went from juvenile hall
To CYA to county jail to prison.
I turned 21 on a level 4 yard in Corcoran state prison.
I've abused and victimized lots of people.
Not sexually but physically.
Different type of war zone than IRAQ for Sure.
12 white boys on the yard
60 blacks and 38 Mexicans.
When the doors crack its going down.

The guys who made it were the ones who didn't think they were tough.
They just refused to run to the cops for help and refused to be a *****.
They just savaged the **** out!

My question to you tough guy, is what the **** did you think you were signing up for with the military?
Did you think it was a ballet class?

PTSD that's some new school ass ****.

I have major respect for men an women who are willing to give their lives for this country.

But not everybody is built for war.

But please stop including me in your blanket statements.

Your way is not the only way stud.

I can handle every drug at once we talk about on this site trust and believe that.
Nothing messes with my mind

Wow. That is crazy. Remember, your blood is the same as mine. God Bless brother. I hope you find peace!

 

[Bintherduntht]

Well I've never been molested or abused.
I'm state raised.
That means I went from juvenile hall
To CYA to county jail to prison.
I turned 21 on a level 4 yard in Corcoran state prison.
I've abused and victimized lots of people.
Not sexually but physically.
Different type of war zone than IRAQ for Sure.
12 white boys on the yard
60 blacks and 38 Mexicans.
When the doors crack its going down.

The guys who made it were the ones who didn't think they were tough.
They just refused to run to the cops for help and refused to be a *****.
They just savaged the **** out!

My question to you tough guy, is what the **** did you think you were signing up for with the military?
Did you think it was a ballet class?

PTSD that's some new school ass ****.

I have major respect for men an women who are willing to give their lives for this country.

But not everybody is built for war.

But please stop including me in your blanket statements.

Your way is not the only way stud.

I can handle every drug at once we talk about on this site trust and believe that.
Nothing messes with my mind

I joined at 18. As a mechanic. I deployed as soon as I got to my unit.

My brother joined the marines as force recon. 4 years and did not deploy once!

I probably would have been better off had I not been abused.

Vietnam vets have major PTSD

Not new.

22 veterans everyday take their lives.

God Bless

 

[Bintherduntht]

Its not that your wrong.
Its that you state your experience as fact for everyone else....and that's what's wrong.

Well I will work on that

 

[Bintherduntht]

Well I've never been molested or abused.
I'm state raised.
That means I went from juvenile hall
To CYA to county jail to prison.
I turned 21 on a level 4 yard in Corcoran state prison.
I've abused and victimized lots of people.
Not sexually but physically.
Different type of war zone than IRAQ for Sure.
12 white boys on the yard
60 blacks and 38 Mexicans.
When the doors crack its going down.

The guys who made it were the ones who didn't think they were tough.
They just refused to run to the cops for help and refused to be a *****.
They just savaged the **** out!

My question to you tough guy, is what the **** did you think you were signing up for with the military?
Did you think it was a ballet class?

PTSD that's some new school ass ****.

I have major respect for men an women who are willing to give their lives for this country.

But not everybody is built for war.

But please stop including me in your blanket statements.

Your way is not the only way stud.

I can handle every drug at once we talk about on this site trust and believe that.
Nothing messes with my mind

Bro I was raised by sherrifs.

They abused the **** out of me.

My dad gave me my first concussion at Disneyland lol!

He threw me into a brick wall and my head slammed on it. They choked my ass, pulled my hair punched me etc.

Pops would shove my face in my mistakes like a dog. Dude made me eat my own puke. Too much to list. That's not including the mental games, good boy bad boy good boy.

I didn't have bullies at school. No they were at home waitin for me.

The best part is, I couldn't do ****. What am I gonna do? Call the cops? Lol. I watched my brothers get beat and they watched me.

Good times

 

[Cgkone]

Bro I was raised by sherrifs.

They abused the **** out of me.

My dad gave me my first concussion at Disneyland lol!

He threw me into a brick wall and my head slammed on it. They choked my ass, pulled my hair punched me etc.

Pops would shove my face in my mistakes like a dog. Dude made me eat my own puke. Too much to list. That's not including the mental games, good boy bad boy good boy.

I didn't have bullies at school. No they were at home waitin for me.

The best part is, I couldn't do ****. What am I gonna do? Call the cops? Lol. I watched my brothers get beat and they watched me.

Good times

That's messed up bro.
Kids shouldn't have to go through stuff like that.
I hate cops almost as much as child predators.
Anyways my bad for being a prick.

This sites about juice so ill stick to talking about that.

 

[hanslifts]

That's messed up bro.
Kids shouldn't have to go through stuff like that.
I hate cops almost as much as child predators.
Anyways my bad for being a prick.

This sites about juice so ill stick to talking about that.

You hate cops as much as you hate child predators? That’s pretty ****ed up.

 

[Cgkone]

You hate cops as much as you hate child predators? That’s pretty ****ed up.

Its is
I'm getting better though.
I've had big problems with cops in my life.
As I get older and as times change my views are broadening.
But yeah a good portion of my life cops, child predators and rats were the target.

 

[hanslifts]

Its is
I'm getting better though.
I've had big problems with cops in my life.
As I get older and as times change my views are broadening.
But yeah a good portion of my life cops, child predators and rats were the target.

I understand man. My views keep changing as I age too. Just know that despite the bad news, and the bad cops in the news, there are ten times as many that are good people. Even willing to give their life for you.

 

[Cgkone]

I understand man. My views keep changing as I age too. Just know that despite the bad news, and the bad cops in the news, there are ten times as many that are good people. Even willing to give their life for you.

Yeah I know

 

[hanslifts]

Yeah I know

I ain’t judging man. We all have unique experiences in this thing called life. Appreciate you hearing me out.

 

[Cgkone]

I ain’t judging man. We all have unique experiences in this thing called life. Appreciate you hearing me out.

Likewise bro

 

[hamdysayed]

what would be a moderate tren dosage for a first time injectable user ?
or should injectable tren be my 2nd injectable cycle ?
note I have ran 4 cycles before just orals abd transdermal

 

[Outofbody]

what would be a moderate tren dosage for a first time injectable user ?
or should injectable tren be my 2nd injectable cycle ?
note I have ran 4 cycles before just orals abd transdermal

Look into NPP instead. Similar effects, much fewer sides. I wouldn't run tren for a 1st or 2nd injectable cycle, need a lot more experience and you don't want to get your body used to using one of the strongest available AAS right off the bat.

 

[hamdysayed]

Look into NPP instead. Similar effects, much fewer sides. I wouldn't run tren for a 1st or 2nd injectable cycle, need a lot more experience and you don't want to get your body used to using one of the strongest available AAS right off the bat.

damn I have 4 vials already lol... ok I'll do test with kick starter n look into npp

 

[Cgkone]

Look into NPP instead. Similar effects, much fewer sides. I wouldn't run tren for a 1st or 2nd injectable cycle, need a lot more experience and you don't want to get your body used to using one of the strongest available AAS right off the bat.

I have to completely disagree with this.
NPP is great.
Love it , smooth comfortable strength gains.
Makes the joints feel great.
Not much bloat.
But I wouldnt even call it close to the same as tren .
But NPP is my jam!!

 

[Cgkone]

what would be a moderate tren dosage for a first time injectable user ?
or should injectable tren be my 2nd injectable cycle ?
note I have ran 4 cycles before just orals abd transdermal

I would call 200mg test and 300mg tren
Moderate.

 

[Outofbody]

I have to completely disagree with this.
NPP is great.
Love it , smooth comfortable strength gains.
Makes the joints feel great.
Not much bloat.
But I wouldnt even call it close to the same as tren .
But NPP is my jam!!

You completely disagree? In terms of lean gains, it's great - I would definitely say 2nd to tren. That was my point. And you don't agree that tren for a first inj cycle is way overkill? Ok lol

Of course NPP doesn't have effects like Tren, that's why I recommended it. It's far easier on sides and far more suited for a noobie minus the daily pinning.

 

[Cgkone]

You completely disagree? In terms of lean gains, it's great - I would definitely say 2nd to tren. That was my point. And you don't agree that tren for a first inj cycle is way overkill? Ok lol

Of course NPP doesn't have effects like Tren, that's why I recommended it. It's far easier on sides and far more suited for a noobie minus the daily pinning.

I disagree with simliar effects to tren.
EQ lean gains are better than NPP IMO.

Effects to me were fast and intense on tren.
Strength gains weekly
NPP allowed me to lift more because of joint lubrication.

Tren is dry and hard

I agree on the not best choice for a first run

Disagree with run some NPP and you'll have an idea of what kind of gains and effect you'll get from tren

 

[Outofbody]

Just to get this straight, anyone's first injectable cycle should always be testosterone, standalone. You don't pop the cherry with the strongest thing available.

NPP might lube the joints but it isnot like Deca at all, it does not cause bloating, but gives lean, quality gains, much better than EQ offers. Even still, I wouldn't use this (or any 19-nor) right off the bat either as a noob to pinning, but definitely before tren.

 

[Jcc7220]

Outofbody I always excepted that deca was ment for mass and tren for cutting.
But you don’t believe npp to be a good mass builder

And I always preach to double your test then any 19 nor

 

[B5150]

Just to get this straight, anyone's first injectable cycle should always be testosterone, standalone. You don't pop the cherry with the strongest thing available.

NPP might lube the joints but it isnot like Deca at all, it does not cause bloating, but gives lean, quality gains, much better than EQ offers. Even still, I wouldn't use this (or any 19-nor) right off the bat either as a noob to pinning, but definitely before tren.

next to tren 600mg NPP 12-16 wks w-/Masteron dosed 400mg + keeps this one dry and hard.

 

[Outofbody]

Outofbody I always excepted that deca was ment for mass and tren for cutting.
But you don’t believe npp to be a good mass builder

And I always preach to double your test then any 19 nor

NPP is a great mass builder as is tren. They are both also used for cutting / contest prep because they don’t cause bloating.

 

[hamdysayed]

I would call 200mg test and 300mg tren
Moderate.

that sounds good

 

[Cgkone]

that sounds good

It will be good

Is it tren ace ?

 

[fueledpassion]

what would be a moderate tren dosage for a first time injectable user ?
or should injectable tren be my 2nd injectable cycle ?
note I have ran 4 cycles before just orals abd transdermal

Just go with Test-C/E alone or combined with Masteron for added effect. It will do some neat things similar to a low dose of Tren only not as fast.

Test-C @ 300-500mg/wk
Mast-E @ 300-400mg/wk
Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD

Start on the low side and work your way up every 4 weeks. Shut it down after 12-16 weeks of use. You could walk away with 8-10 brand new lbs of muscle and a few lbs of fat loss if you changed nothing else but follow your gut for appetite. Don’t misunderstand me though, this only happens the first time out. Don’t expect such easy results after that!

PCT:

Hcg @ 1000-2000iu E3D while Test clears
Clomid @ 50/25/25/25/25/12.5
MK-677 as needed for fullness and appetite
Aromasin @ 6.25mg EOD while on clomid

It’s not complicated!

 

[Nac]

Ive run NPP at 600mg /wk plus test, its real good stuff. Prefer it over deca.

 

[hamdysayed]

Just go with Test-C/E alone or combined with Masteron for added effect. It will do some neat things similar to a low dose of Tren only not as fast.

Test-C @ 300-500mg/wk
Mast-E @ 300-400mg/wk
Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD

Start on the low side and work your way up every 4 weeks. Shut it down after 12-16 weeks of use. You could walk away with 8-10 brand new lbs of muscle and a few lbs of fat loss if you changed nothing else but follow your gut for appetite. Don’t misunderstand me though, this only happens the first time out. Don’t expect such easy results after that!

PCT:

Hcg @ 1000-2000iu E3D while Test clears
Clomid @ 50/25/25/25/25/12.5
MK-677 as needed for fullness and appetite
Aromasin @ 6.25mg EOD while on clomid

It’s not complicated!

thanks bro , can I do without hcg?

 

[Jcc7220]

I would never do a pct without HCG from a real gear cycle. A light SARMS you can get away with clomid. But you want to turn your testicles on and take the strain off them during recovery.

 

[Outofbody]

You could walk away with 8-10 brand new lbs of muscle and a few lbs of fat loss if you changed nothing else but follow your gut for appetite. Don’t misunderstand me though, this only happens the first time out. Don’t expect such easy results after that!

This is key. Also why you don’t want to waste your first injectable cycle by using tren (diminishing results after). Longevity is a big factor in this game.

 

[Jcc7220]

This is key. Also why you don’t want to waste your first injectable cycle by using tren (diminishing results after). Longevity is a big factor in this game.

Agreed your very first cycle you would get good results with 500mg test. Maybe through in some dbol if you really wanted more pre-workout

 

[Cgkone]

Ive run NPP at 600mg /wk plus test, its real good stuff. Prefer it over deca.

Love it
NPP is bomb

 

[Jcc7220]

Love it
NPP is bomb

Do you find that you get any prolactin issues with NPP?