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Tren - Primo - Winny cycle...

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Hi guys,

I'm going to start my first "serious" cycle. Have done only 2 cycles of Epistane before (better the first at 30-40-40-40 than the second at 40-50-60-60-60-60, both with pct).

I'm 33 yo, 6ft, 200lb with 16% bf.

The cycle:

- week 1-2: 3-tren (Enanthate-Acetate-Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate) 200mg + Primo 200mg / week
- week 3-8: 3-tren 100mg + Primo 100mg / week + Winstrol 50mg /day

PCT on Nolva/Clomid.

What do you think about those dosages (remember, first cycle)?
My goal is onyl recomposing: cut bf at 7-8% and keep same measures (arms 17 inches).

Dosing too low?

Thanks dudes
 
For 8 weeker I'd prefer tren A and primo A. Long esters are better with 12+ weeks long cycles.

I don't think you'll need Primo at all though. Tren is potent stuff.
 
pain gain said:
So dosage is too low? even if stacked? need to add tren to 300mg/week? or primo?
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Yeah, dosage is way too low.

You'll see results from Tren even at 200mg/day if your oil is legit. I'd switch to Tren A though - big part of your tren are long esters and I really wouldn't run it for less than 12 weeks.
 
Ati this time I can obtain "3-Tren" (Enanthate-Acetate-Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate), Primo and Stanozolol 50mg, all from Pharmacom.

What about
- week 1-2: 3-tren 400mg + Primo 200mg / week
- week 3-8: 3-tren 200mg + Primo 200mg / week + Winstrol 50mg /day

First cycle, don't want to go over 8 weeks...

I know Primo at 200/w seems low, but stacked with Tren... Please let me know how you will use those 3 compounds, for a short first cycle.

For PCT I can obtain Nolva, Clomid and HCG.

TNX so much to everyone!
 
pain gain said:
Ati this time I can obtain "3-Tren" (Enanthate-Acetate-Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate), Primo and Stanozolol 50mg, all from Pharmacom.

What about
- week 1-2: 3-tren 400mg + Primo 200mg / week
- week 3-8: 3-tren 200mg + Primo 200mg / week + Winstrol 50mg /day

First cycle, don't want to go over 8 weeks...

I know Primo at 200/w seems low, but stacked with Tren... Please let me know how you will use those 3 compounds, for a short first cycle.

For PCT I can obtain Nolva, Clomid and HCG.

TNX so much to everyone!
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Where is your test??

You'll be disappointed after a cycle like that. It will do more harm thaan good, seriously. If you are not ready to run it for 12 weeks, don't run it at all - you'll just waste your money and get shutdown without significant gains.
 
I'm only concerned about 12 weeks for first cycle... isn't too much? I only made two cycle of Epistane before...
But if better and safe, I'll do 12 weeks, yeah.

I don't want to use test on this cycle, in next for sure.
 
pain gain said:
I'm only concerned about 12 weeks for first cycle... isn't too much? I only made two cycle of Epistane before...
But if better and safe, I'll do 12 weeks, yeah.

I don't want to use test on this cycle, in next for sure.
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Buddy, do more research. You'll not want to run Tren without test - it will be a harsh ride!

12 weeks is not too much but Tren may be too much for the first injectable cycle.
 
I did a lot of research, but -you know- when it's your turn for first cycle all seems different...
What test you will use with tren? Cypionate I think.

I can switch from Primo to Test, and do 12 weeks (you're right, Tren long esthers will took so long to act)
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Buddy, do more research. You'll not want to run Tren without test - it will be a harsh ride! 12 weeks is not too much but Tren may be too much for the first injectable cycle.
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Yes. No. And yes.

More research. Seriously dude to even suggest this as a first shows you haven't looked. The doses and compounds aren't really all that thought out. And an 8% bf loss in 12 weeks? Trens good but are you injecting miracles too? Only way you'll lose that much fat, which is 16lbs at 200 btw, is in a legitimate contest prep diet. Use the forum search function. Plenty of first injectable cycle threads. Plenty of reasons in a lot of the first cycle threads why not to use tren enanthat. Do you even know what PCT is?

Tren is great without test. Aromatizing test causes most tren sides. I'm firmly convinced deca/tren dick are myths or occur in people that are running extreme doses and/or are not controlling prolactin. I've dabbled...

Tren enanthate on a first cycle is a horrid idea. Very unstable. Sides can suck even at 200mg. Long time to clear esters etc etc.

Learn to eat right before drugs. Your kinda small at with your height weight and bodyfat. Cut natty , gain LBM natty, then try a little test maybe with an epi or dbol kick start in a few years after serious research.
 
Something like this?

Weeks 1-12
-Test Prop 100mg EOD
-3Tren 50mg EOD

Weeks 6-12
Addition of Winny 50mg ED

Weeks 8-16
HCG @ 500 IU EOD

Weeks 13-16
Nolvadex 40mg per day for first week, 20mg per day for the next 2 weeks and 10mg per day for last week
 
pain gain said:
Something like this? Weeks 1-12 -Test Prop 100mg EOD -3Tren 50mg EOD Weeks 6-12 Addition of Winny 50mg ED Weeks 8-16 HCG @ 500 IU EOD Weeks 13-16 Nolvadex 40mg per day for first week, 20mg per day for the next 2 weeks and 10mg per day for last week
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No. Just no.
 
pain gain said:
Something like this?

Weeks 1-12
-Test Prop 100mg EOD
-3Tren 50mg EOD

Weeks 6-12
Addition of Winny 50mg ED

Weeks 8-16
HCG @ 500 IU EOD

Weeks 13-16
Nolvadex 40mg per day for first week, 20mg per day for the next 2 weeks and 10mg per day for last week
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Like stated before, it's better to use something else instead of Tren at this point. And If I'm on Tren, I like to take max 200mg/week of test - like superbeast said, high test may make sides worse.

20/20/10/10 or 20/20/20/10/10/10 of Nolva will suffice.

There are several different protocols for HCG use but I've always taken 500IU twice per weak or 250IU E3D with good results. More is not always better.
 
Ok buddy, but be reasonable: we're not talking 'bout science, but 'bout good sense.
On some sites Tren is good alone, others say only with test... Others again no to tren long esthers...

Man I'm 33 yo, I work 300 hours/month, and sleep only 5 nights a week.

Diet is best I can do. Training is best I can do. Rest is best I can do. And genetics is best i can have.

Trust me: if I can eat better-train better-rest better, I'll do. But here it is.

Only trying to get some opinions 'bout a good cycle to cut fat, put some muscels.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
And If I'm on Tren, I like to take max 200mg/week of test - like superbeast said, high test may make sides worse.
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Test Prop 200mg/week + Tren 200mg/week for 12 weeks and add Winny 50ED @ last 6 weeks?

Only don't understand why you don't like Tren long esthers, and/or Tren at first serious cycle. I'so much scared about higher dose of only test. but I can be wrong.
 
pain gain said:
Ok buddy, but be reasonable: we're not talking 'bout science, but 'bout good sense. On some sites Tren is good alone, others say only with test... Others again no to tren long esthers... Man I'm 33 yo, I work 300 hours/month, and sleep only 5 nights a week. Diet is best I can do. Training is best I can do. Rest is best I can do. And genetics is best i can have. Trust me: if I can eat better-train better-rest better, I'll do. But here it is. Only trying to get some opinions 'bout a good cycle to cut fat, put some muscels.
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If your diet and training are best you can do why do you think drugs are the answer. Every forum site will tell you drugs are a bandaid for sh!t diet and training. Drugs aren't that great unless everything else is there. Trust me. Not only have I read that but I've tried. It's really not that hard to eat a proper diet. Even working 60+ a week. Stop making excuses most of us have done it at one point in our life. Hell my girls lost 30lbs on the diet I gave her. She works 80 hr weeks. What's your excuse?
 
pain gain said:
Test Prop 200mg/week + Tren 200mg/week for 12 weeks and add Winny 50ED @ last 6 weeks?

Only don't understand why you don't like Tren long esthers, and/or Tren at first serious cycle. I'so much scared about higher dose of only test. but I can be wrong.
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Why you are scared of high dose of test? It's more forgiving compound than Tren. And high dose is not even needed for you at this point.

The reason for why anyone won't suggest long esters of Tren for the first cycle is the fact that if problems occur, tren will stay in your system for weeks after stopping it.

It is the most potent injectable out there. There is no coming back. Why would you use it for your first cycle? You'll be only able to put on certain amount of muscle in certain amount of time - and for beginners it is achievable with "milder" compounds as well.

Clearly you haven't done enough research.

Superbeast, help me here...
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Why you are scared of high dose of test? It's more forgiving compound than Tren. And high dose is not even needed for you at this point. The reason for why anyone won't suggest long esters of Tren for the first cycle is the fact that if problems occur, tren will stay in your system for weeks after stopping it. It is the most potent injectable out there. There is no coming back. Why would you use it for your first cycle? You'll be only able to put on certain amount of muscle in certain amount of time - and for beginners it is achievable with "milder" compounds as well. Clearly you haven't done enough research. Superbeast, help me here...
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I'm trying bro I'm in agreement with you. I don't know what to say to OP other than "what makes you special enough to use the most potent steroid ever made for your first cycle". Tren enan is brutal man. I hate shooting every day but ace has far better results with far less sides.

Test gives sides too. For a while I didn't like them. Then I used tren. Test is far easier to work with. Get 3 bottles of cyp or enan. Inject 350-500 a week for 10-15 weeks if your hell bent on gear. DO NOT USE HCG THROUGH PCT IT IS SUPPRESIVE. You use it right until you start pct. Not during. Seriously use the search find first cycle threads I'm not doing this for you.
 
superbeast668 said:
I'm trying bro I'm in agreement with you. I don't know what to say to OP other than "what makes you special enough to use the most potent steroid ever made for your first cycle". Tren enan is brutal man. I hate shooting every day but ace has far better results with far less sides.

Test gives sides too. For a while I didn't like them. Then I used tren. Test is far easier to work with. Get 3 bottles of cyp or enan. Inject 350-500 a week for 10-15 weeks if your hell bent on gear. DO NOT USE HCG THROUGH PCT IT IS SUPPRESIVE. You use it right until you start pct. Not during. Seriously use the search find first cycle threads I'm not doing this for you.
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Good post.

Now OP just have to decide whether he wants to listen us or not - I bet that cycles in the future will be pretty rough if he starts with Tren. It's not a stepping stone to harsher compounds. It's the steroid on steroids, lol.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Good post. Now OP just have to decide whether he wants to listen us or not - I bet that cycles in the future will be pretty rough if he starts with Tren. It's not a stepping stone to harsher compounds. It's the steroid on steroids, lol.
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We'll see. I hope he realizes we're trying to help not be ass holes.
 
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