Mathb33
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I would NEVER use deca either unless I was already on trt. Especially as young as you are. **** takes MONTHS to leave your system and it’s still in you long after pct is over.
Unanswered Transdermal Testosterone Dosage
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ChocolateClen
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I did 500 a week for 12 ish weeks I think and put on 35 ish pounds. That was with a kicker though
JoePaul39
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Wish I had coworkers like you man!
Smont
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I would stick to test only or test and 1 oral for your first injectable cycle. But you can get great results and little to no sides with test tren mast at a low dose
StarScream66
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He could add some DMSO or some other skin penetrating agents to it and it might increase the absorption through the skin barrier. The molecular weight of testosterone base is 288, well below the ~350 threshold for not being absorbable, but still a large molecule.
I don't know what the other ingredients in the cream are to say whether or not the pharmacutical company that produces it has taken maximum advantage of getting it through the skin barrier. @YoungThor if you could list the other ingredients in the formula (check rxlist.com, it should have them if it's not inside the pamplet in the box it comes with) that might be helpful. This is just a theory, so I couldn't guarantee it would help, but I can give you a list of some other ingredients to add and sort of cook it up into a better "homebrew" transdermal test it might help you get more bang for your buck.
DWeaver
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You’re gonna need a bigger carrot
Godstrength
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The thing is with topical, it often aromatises into estrogen the more you add. I like using a good td better than inj for trt. Reason being is it isnt going to get your levels crazy high and will better be utilized as a true replacement.
I mean you will get some benefits from upping the dose but its nothing like inject for sure.
Ime benzyl alcohol is the best carrier for passing through the dermis. It's not abrasive and wont make the skin break out as some topical do. And it is very effective at delivery.
Imo thor if youre looking to add a td with some punch topical tren now that's a different story. That shyt packs a he'll of a punch for a td.
StarScream66
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Do you have a source for this or is it just based on personal experience?
Back in the day, this forum was founded by BigDaddyChemo and curt2go specifically to discuss prohormones and transdermals. They both have old threads on bbcom with a spreadsheet for what to add to what specific hormone, along with a list of additives that can help the hormone pass the skin barrier more efficiently.
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I highly highly recommend checking them out. The spreadsheet link still works, although the names of the sources to buy the carriers are no longer available, but I'm sure you can still find them online (if not at your local hardware store). Just don't reply to those threads, as it's no longer permissible to discuss anything anabolic on bbcom.
I recently saw this post in another thread related to this very topic regarding transderaml tren.
YoungThor
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@StarScream66
Active ingredient: testosterone, USP.
Inactive and ingredients: ethanol, isopropyl alcohol, octisalate, povidone
I’ll probably just use it the way it came to be honest but I’d be interested in hearing your theories for future cycles.
@Godstrength i was not aware they make td tren. I’ve considered trying td trest. They say that packs a punch.
@Smont if I use the blend with tren then I probably will go super low with the doses like you said.
Active ingredient: testosterone, USP.
Inactive and ingredients: ethanol, isopropyl alcohol, octisalate, povidone
I’ll probably just use it the way it came to be honest but I’d be interested in hearing your theories for future cycles.
@Godstrength i was not aware they make td tren. I’ve considered trying td trest. They say that packs a punch.
@Smont if I use the blend with tren then I probably will go super low with the doses like you said.
StarScream66
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Well, if you read through the posts I linked to on bbcom you'll find all the information you need. It's a list of chemicals that help hormones pass through the skin barrier much easier.
For example, Curt's recipe is:
In the thread he goes into detail about why these are used and what they do. If you can get yourself some test base powder you could make your own dermal and have MUCH better results with these homebrew formulas than with the stuff from the rx. You could also customize the dose. These blends were created with years of both trial and error and scientific study. So, I consider them gospel for making a homebrew transdermal. You could definitely also pick up some DMSO (everybody sells it) and add it with your topical test. It would ABSOLUTELY increase the bioavailability of the testosterone passing through the skin barrier. It's great stuff.
One other ingredient I came across was Invalid Link Removed which is used in the pharmaceutical industry and cosmetic industry to help ingredients pass through the skin barrier and it's a fascinating compound. I'm not sure of the availability or price of it though.
YoungThor
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MY NUTZ IS SHRUNK’D!
But seriously, my balls have been affected since early on in this cycle. The last two weeks the shrinkage has gotten pretty serious. They ache a lot and feel tight. Obviously, this is a sign my test cream is working, and I’ve experienced these symptoms before during sarms cycles, but to a far lesser degree. Anyway, here’s my question: is there a direct correlation between the amount of testicular shrinkage/achiness you feel and the difficulty of your pct? I assume the answer is yes but I want to hear from the pros.
But seriously, my balls have been affected since early on in this cycle. The last two weeks the shrinkage has gotten pretty serious. They ache a lot and feel tight. Obviously, this is a sign my test cream is working, and I’ve experienced these symptoms before during sarms cycles, but to a far lesser degree. Anyway, here’s my question: is there a direct correlation between the amount of testicular shrinkage/achiness you feel and the difficulty of your pct? I assume the answer is yes but I want to hear from the pros.
Smont
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It's so weird how that effects ppl different. I was on test for 10 weeks with 4 weeks on strong orals past the 10 weeks for 14 total and mine never shrunk. They really never have. I like to think that's why I bounce back so fast post cycle in the past. At some point I wanna run something and 4 weeks after last pin get bloods with no pct just to see what it says
thebigt
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yeah well....ozzy Osbourne just turned 71. some people are indestructible!!!
Smont
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I know lol. I've always been lucky. Acne on my arms and shoulders has always been the only side I get from gear. I like to think im indestructible till I do something silly like throw my back out picking up the tv remote
YoungThor
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Well I said I’d update this when I finished the cycle and that has been long overdue. I’ve been off for three months now.
A lot of people said I would pretty much experience zero results from transdermal testosterone. I ended up not adding RAD140 like I said I would. I just used the test. I experimented with dosages throughout the cycle. I went as low as 60mg a day, and as high as 120mg a day. I used it for about 12 weeks.
I was pleased with the results, as my expectations were low. I was working on the road the entire cycle, sometimes coming home on weekends, but for the most part I had no access to the gym (maybe went to the gym twice). Instead, I relied on body weight exercises. I would also fill up one of those water coolers you see on the sidelines of football games, and I’d do a few exercises with that. On the weekends I would often use dumbbells that I keep at my house. On average I worked out 3 times a week. My job itself was an extremely strenuous daily workout.
I kept my diet the same as it was before the cycle. It was a relatively healthy diet, but I did a lot of cheating, and I have to admit I drank way too much beer.
Anyway, I gained 8 lbs and looked significantly leaner. After the cycle, I lost none of what I gained. Considering the variables, I’m satisfied with the results.
A lot of people said I would pretty much experience zero results from transdermal testosterone. I ended up not adding RAD140 like I said I would. I just used the test. I experimented with dosages throughout the cycle. I went as low as 60mg a day, and as high as 120mg a day. I used it for about 12 weeks.
I was pleased with the results, as my expectations were low. I was working on the road the entire cycle, sometimes coming home on weekends, but for the most part I had no access to the gym (maybe went to the gym twice). Instead, I relied on body weight exercises. I would also fill up one of those water coolers you see on the sidelines of football games, and I’d do a few exercises with that. On the weekends I would often use dumbbells that I keep at my house. On average I worked out 3 times a week. My job itself was an extremely strenuous daily workout.
I kept my diet the same as it was before the cycle. It was a relatively healthy diet, but I did a lot of cheating, and I have to admit I drank way too much beer.
Anyway, I gained 8 lbs and looked significantly leaner. After the cycle, I lost none of what I gained. Considering the variables, I’m satisfied with the results.