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Transdermal Epiandro

Slims

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I've been researching into and am very interested in trying transdermal epiandro, I just can't seem to find many solo logs or reviews on it. So before I "jump on" I wanted to ask if anybody had any experiences with either,

-XPG EpiAndro-Gel.
-Iconic Formulations Ultra Epi.
-Apex Alchemy Stanogen.

Positive effects?
Side effects?
Body comp?
Dosage/application?
Length of cycle?
Did you need a full (SERM) PCT, or were you able to fully recover on an OTC PCT?
 
I've seen many places where people say that they like td epiandro in general, but haven't seen any specific logs or reviews.

There's really not much difference in a td epiandro cycle or a capsule cycle, the only difference really is the dosage adjustment for it being td. Most oral cycles are 600 to 900 mg. whereas most td cycles are 300 mg.

An OTC PCT is fine with an epiandro cycle at the dosages listed above.

With XPG Epiandro Gel, a lot of people use M-Test or Optimize-T with it and for their PCT or some do Cloma-Plex.
 
sns8778 said:
I've seen many places where people say that they like td epiandro in general, but haven't seen any specific logs or reviews.

There's really not much difference in a td epiandro cycle or a capsule cycle, the only difference really is the dosage adjustment for it being td. Most oral cycles are 600 to 900 mg. whereas most td cycles are 300 mg.

An OTC PCT is fine with an epiandro cycle at the dosages listed above.

With XPG Epiandro Gel, a lot of people use M-Test or Optimize-T with it and for their PCT or some do Cloma-Plex.
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I've chosen the TD route because, from what I've read, you can get the full effects from half the dose as an oral cycle (as you also just mentioned) and can minimize the risk of side effects.

I know it's recommended at 8-12 weeks, but if it's as mild to as to only need an OTC PCT, how long could somebody run TD Epiandro at a 300mg per day without increasing potential health risks? Factoring in the use of an on-cycle support supplement
 
You could run it longer like 16 weeks. All three you listed are great quality. I have ran the Apex and Icon ones, but hear the XPG one is good to go. I will suggest you ramp it up so it still has an effect later on in your cycle. Maybe start with 200 and ramp to 450.
 
Slims said:
I've chosen the TD route because, from what I've read, you can get the full effects from half the dose as an oral cycle (as you also just mentioned) and can minimize the risk of side effects.

I know it's recommended at 8-12 weeks, but if it's as mild to as to only need an OTC PCT, how long could somebody run TD Epiandro at a 300mg per day without increasing potential health risks? Factoring in the use of an on-cycle support supplement
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The td dosing is lower, but there's not difference in terms of side effects. There aren't generally many side effects with the regular dosages of epiandro to begin with, but for example, you'd be subject to the same sides off of 300 mg. of the td as 600 mg. of the capsules.

So its really just personal preference - for people that prefer td's, td's fine. For people that prefer capsules or are more likely to use capsules consistently, capsules are fine too.

The normal suggestion is 8 weeks. I wouldn't go longer than 12 weeks at 300 mg. if you're wanting to stay on the safe side. Some people may run it longer, and that's personal choice, I'm just answering based off staying on the safe side.

There are some people on HRT that run low dose for longer periods of time - but they're typically only doing 300 mg. oral or 150 mg. td/topical when they do it like that, and that's more for libido and mood than any type of workout benefits.
 
sns8778 said:
I've seen many places where people say that they like td epiandro in general, but haven't seen any specific logs or reviews.

There's really not much difference in a td epiandro cycle or a capsule cycle, the only difference really is the dosage adjustment for it being td. Most oral cycles are 600 to 900 mg. whereas most td cycles are 300 mg.

An OTC PCT is fine with an epiandro cycle at the dosages listed above.

With XPG Epiandro Gel, a lot of people use M-Test or Optimize-T with it and for their PCT or some do Cloma-Plex.
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How do you feel about a 11-kt + epiandro cycle, Steve? 170-200mg 11kt + 300mg epiandro (all td).
Think a serm would be necessary for pct?
 
botk1161 said:
You could run it longer like 16 weeks. All three you listed are great quality. I have ran the Apex and Icon ones, but hear the XPG one is good to go. I will suggest you ramp it up so it still has an effect later on in your cycle. Maybe start with 200 and ramp to 450.
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What kind of effects did you get from your Epiandro runs...
Body composition?
Side effects?
What PCT did you use?
 
Slims said:
I've chosen the TD route because, from what I've read, you can get the full effects from half the dose as an oral cycle (as you also just mentioned) and can minimize the risk of side effects.

I know it's recommended at 8-12 weeks, but if it's as mild to as to only need an OTC PCT, how long could somebody run TD Epiandro at a 300mg per day without increasing potential health risks? Factoring in the use of an on-cycle support supplement
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I'd say td is a little stronger mg vs mg but not double. I just got done doing epiandro but not solo. The reason you Don't see many solo logs because when you're messing with anabolics, certain things just aren't best mot to run solo and most people know that so they don't do it. Now you absolutely can run epi solo but at 8-12 weeks your getting some suppression anything more then 300mg oral or 200 td for more then 4-6 weeks give or take, you should have a serm for pct.

I can't wrap my head around why so many people want to gamble with there dicks. A serm is very often cheaper and always 10x more effective.

Everyone has this idea they can use anabolics in some special way to negate all the sides and reap all the rewards. but it's like your applying for a job and you want $100/hr with 6 weeks paid vacation and a company car but no experience in the feild....

Of course it sounds great, but your not gonna get what your looking for
 
Slims said:
-XPG EpiAndro-Gel.
-Iconic Formulations Ultra Epi.
-Apex Alchemy Stanogen.
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I have run XPG Epiandro - it was the most mild on the skin, zero irritation.
I have run Iconic Ultra Epi - highest dose TD, but I had to move application sites around shoulders, arms, feet as it would rough up the shoulders after too many consecutive days (a simple lotion at night would fix it)
I've also run Iconic Ultra Hard - it has the androsterone which I enjoy for mood improvement VERY much, but also the carrier requires me to move it to different skin spots or my shoulders get dry and need constant lotion.

Most recently I ran a full dose of Ultra Epi + a full dose of Epiandrolean (oral) and loved the combo.
Towards the end I stacked it with anabolic effect and phosphatidic acid XT, which I carried on for another month.
I also added in XPG alpha gel as my PCT and am on it right now.


Slims said:
I've chosen the TD route because, from what I've read, you can get the full effects from half the dose as an oral cycle (as you also just mentioned) and can minimize the risk of side effects.
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Positive effects?
- lean mass growth. I can't correlate any of my multiple runs of epiandro with strength gains. the only supplements I can associate that with in the past couple years is anabolic effect and anabolic XT (clear winner). the epiandro did improve hypertrophy, aggression, libido, and mood though, substantially.

Side effects?
  • light hair shedding and possibly a bump up in BP towards the end of each run as I ramped up dose amount.
  • Using this shampoo + a biotin conditioner and 5% monox the girl who cuts my hair says she's seeing no thinning.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/pura-d-or-argan-oil

Body comp?
- see above. hypertrophy. noticed greatest progress at about a double dose though.

Dosage/application?
shoulders, inside of arms, triceps, feet.

Length of cycle?
usually 6-8 weeks

Did you need a full (SERM) PCT, or were you able to fully recover on an OTC PCT?
only OTC products from Steve (above). I do have SNS Pine Pollen, Optimize T, and Tribulus, but my best PCT every time has been simply XPG Alpha Gel. on my most recent run when I combined Ultra Epi + Epiandrolean I finished the run "cold Turkey" and for about a week noticed my mood diminishing greatly. could have been work. But I opted to pop a single oral epiandro lean about 2-3x per week for 2 weeks after my run and found that tapering down helped a lot. I'm almost 8 weeks post cycle and feel awesome on only xpg alpha gel, anabolic effect, and phosphatidic acid xt now. I take the pine pollen and optmize t occasionally, but the Alpha Gel always seems to have the greatest effect for me.
 
Smont said:
Now you absolutely can run epi solo but at 8-12 weeks your getting some suppression anything more then 300mg oral or 200 td for more then 4-6 weeks give or take, you should have a serm for pct.
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I think I've had 4 runs now and I notice the greatest gains really starting hard at the 4-6 week point, but thats when I also start to see the hair shedding and start to feel a little jittery at times.
 
LucasBagoDoce said:
How do you feel about a 11-kt + epiandro cycle, Steve? 170-200mg 11kt + 300mg epiandro (all td).
Think a serm would be necessary for pct?
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It's not a stack that I would run personally, but some people may like it.

I don't think a serm would be needed for pct on that.
 
Slims said:
What kind of effects did you get from your Epiandro runs...
Body composition?
Side effects?
What PCT did you use?
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I am TRT, so no PCT but most run a couple of cans of a good test booster afterwards for PCT. Increased workout energy, strength, vasodilation, loss of water in the skin leading to better composition. Joints get to dry for me at higher doses,but I m in my 50’s so it’s expected.
 
Smont said:
I'd say td is a little stronger mg vs mg but not double. I just got done doing epiandro but not solo. The reason you Don't see many solo logs because when you're messing with anabolics, certain things just aren't best mot to run solo and most people know that so they don't do it. Now you absolutely can run epi solo but at 8-12 weeks your getting some suppression anything more then 300mg oral or 200 td for more then 4-6 weeks give or take, you should have a serm for pct.

I can't wrap my head around why so many people want to gamble with there dicks. A serm is very often cheaper and always 10x more effective.

Everyone has this idea they can use anabolics in some special way to negate all the sides and reap all the rewards. but it's like your applying for a job and you want $100/hr with 6 weeks paid vacation and a company car but no experience in the feild....

Of course it sounds great, but your not gonna get what your looking for
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Other than the legitimacy issue, I have no problem using a SERM based PCT. I'm asking about it in this thread because most of what I read mentioned not needing it for Epiandro. With obtaining a legitimate SERM, and with SERM's having their own side effects, being able to recover without one is a more appealing idea/theory.
 
Apex-Alchemy carriers are definitely my favorite.
I apply our products (depending upon what I'm focusing on at the time) .... To the same spots daily, with zero irritation.
 
Slims said:
Other than the legitimacy issue, I have no problem using a SERM based PCT. I'm asking about it in this thread because most of what I read mentioned not needing it for Epiandro. With obtaining a legitimate SERM, and with SERM's having their own side effects, being able to recover without one is a more appealing idea/theory.
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If the dose is low and duration is short then you probably wouldn't need a pct or something Oct would suffice. I'm not trying to tell everyone to use serms for no reason either. What I'm getting at is that theres a risk that's dose and duration dependent that I'd rather be safe then sorry.
 
Smont said:
If the dose is low and duration is short then you probably wouldn't need a pct or something Oct would suffice. I'm not trying to tell everyone to use serms for no reason either. What I'm getting at is that theres a risk that's dose and duration dependent that I'd rather be safe then sorry.
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I'm an air on the side of caution, better safe than sorry kind of guy, always have been.
Duration would be 8-12 weeks and dose would be transdermal 200-300mg per day.
 
Super dumb question...If one is to pick up a SERM from a place like MA research. Are they just taken orally same as a tablet?
 
ironfiend23 said:
Super dumb question...If one is to pick up a SERM from a place like MA research. Are they just taken orally same as a tablet?
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They normally give it to their rat measured out in an oral syringe because it is a liquid.
 
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