Training log revamp ROUND 3 lol
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manifesto
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What company's PT 141...I wanna give it a trt
Mikereyn513
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Pretty sure Mike sells it, if he doesn't I almost positive aa does
Mikereyn513
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Totally
Totally agree with this. The cardabolic from aa is unbelievable ( inj gw +sr) but it's 50$ for 10 days worth, I'd rather spend that kinda cash on growth. So I'm just gonna get some gw from Mike after this bottle is gone
gphagan1
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I know Methylene Blue is used in aquariums as a safe treatment for parasites and bacterial infection in fish. I’ve actually never looked at any of the studies done in humans, but that’s very interesting that it lowers hematocrit, and hey I guess if you had tapeworms or picked up any parasites from sushi it may help that, just sayin’.
I’m actually very interested in PT 141. As an older dude anything that keeps you horny is always a plus.
I’m actually very interested in PT 141. As an older dude anything that keeps you horny is always a plus.
Smont
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Well, if I say the company name I'm no longer allowed to talk about using it so....
Smont
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You already know I won't touch anything from AA after the experience I had
Smont
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Gw and sr are nothing like blue, if they were why would I bother looking into M blue when I can get unlimited gw and sr for free..It's not a endurance drug, that's just one of the 200 uses
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Smont
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Its a FDA approved drug as well and it also destroys cancer cells.
It dosent mater if your goals are health, endurance, curing diseases, cognitive function, blah, blah ect. This is worthy of learning about and I'm pretty sure the reason the US only has it available for 1 disorder is because in other countries this stuff is dirt cheap and eliminates many expensive medications
It dosent mater if your goals are health, endurance, curing diseases, cognitive function, blah, blah ect. This is worthy of learning about and I'm pretty sure the reason the US only has it available for 1 disorder is because in other countries this stuff is dirt cheap and eliminates many expensive medications
Smont
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M blue is fda approved for human use and there's a ton of human studiesI know Methylene Blue is used in aquariums as a safe treatment for parasites and bacterial infection in fish. I’ve actually never looked at any of the studies done in humans, but that’s very interesting that it lowers hematocrit, and hey I guess if you had tapeworms or picked up any parasites from sushi it may help that, just sayin’.
I’m actually very interested in PT 141. As an older dude anything that keeps you horny is always a plus.
Mikereyn513
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I know that I was just saying that's what's working for me right now while dropping how much caffeine I'm using.
It's not a endurance drug, that's just one of the 200 uses
Mikereyn513
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Mikereyn513
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You already know I won't touch anything from AA after the experience I
That's why I said go to maresearchchems.net because it's on there
Smont
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It's all good, I woke up and just started replying to **** while i was half asleep. I had pulled up links last night but forgot to post them. But I think Hyde was also thinking this was strictly a endurance thing too. From everything I'm reading it sounds amazing.
And apparently, Orally you can buy it over the counter I just read .. . Idk what the deal is on oral vs injectable yet. Still learning but this is on my list of things to learn about and before the years over I'm probably gonna get some. I wonder if Mike could carry this, seems like oral version wouldn't be a issue
gphagan1
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Cool, I’ll read those studies…. I have an 80 gallon African Cichlid tank that I get it for periodically from our pet store, and had only read up on it for my fish, so I’ll definitely be checking that out. It does make sense though, because it’s one of the top multipurpose drugs for fish, because of its effectiveness and safety. So if it’s safe for fish, it makes sense it’s safe for humans. It’s definitely worth checking out.
Smont
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Just for comfort, please check if the fish version is different then the human one. I know it's probably the same thing but just in case. I'm sure we remember the old couple that drank a fish medication because they thought it treated covid (not m blue) and I think they died, so ya, don't die lol.
Smont
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As far as pt 141 goes. So far it seems to have effects at 0.5-2mg without using it daily. So it just seems to work no matter when you use it. But I do notice it more the following day and not 45min post inject like it says. It dosent make a lot of sense with the short half life so I'm guessing it sends some kind of signal that starts a chain of events. I was talking to kleen about it and maybe kinda like how hgh makes other things happen so it works beyond its elimination windowI know Methylene Blue is used in aquariums as a safe treatment for parasites and bacterial infection in fish. I’ve actually never looked at any of the studies done in humans, but that’s very interesting that it lowers hematocrit, and hey I guess if you had tapeworms or picked up any parasites from sushi it may help that, just sayin’.
I’m actually very interested in PT 141. As an older dude anything that keeps you horny is always a plus.
Mikereyn513
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Have you guys tried any nootropic formulas? I know vigorous Steve takes Derek's obviously, I think it's called respond. He takes it before his q and a videos and that's why he talks so fast. And rich piana said his feels like Adderall without the vasorestriction. You guys know how much I love rich, still wear my 5% gear when i train, but I highly doubt that it's that good. Does Mike have one?
gphagan1
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Oh yeah definitely wasn’t gonna take my fish’ medicine, but thanks for looking out.
Hyde
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Nootropic ingredients are mostly all I use any more for the last couple years, basically. As a strength athlete I do not want extra pumps crippling my volume work, and I pump up plenty just from my AAS and electrolyte & carb intake.
Caffeine, choline, huperzine A are training staples for me. Carnitine has some nootropic qualities as well. Tyrosine is great. ALCAR, DMAE, Pregnenolone, Theobromine, Theanine, Noopept, B6/P5P, Mucuna Pruriens, Theacrine, Ephedrine, amphetamine analogs, all can have their place. Some people like Kava.
SNS Focus XT is the bomb. It’s affordable, tasty, and loaded with basic nootropic staples at useful doses that jive well together for a mental boost that is low stim and pretty much purely beneficial in mostly every scenario, besides heading to bed.
The point of a nootropic should be to enhance the ability to focus. This is usually done by enhancing alertness, energy, and mood without a significant rise in anxiety or jitters - you want to feel in control, locked in so you can be present and flow. The idea with stims needs to be optimal boost without a compromise, not maximal stimulation.
Smont
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I have not, but m blue and some of the other things on my research list are also used as noops. I'm not sure what's on the sites that work like noops, I gotta check. I'm gonna see if I can talk Mike into semax, selank, m blue and 3 other things. Well, I'm probably Not actually gonna try to talk him into it, But I wanna see if I can peak his interest.
Selank is supposed to be fantastic. I just can't try ot because only one place I know of has it lol.
Smont
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I know, I just had this brief moment of.... maybe I should just throw it out there to be safe lolOh yeah definitely wasn’t gonna take my fish’ medicine, but thanks for looking out.
Smont
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That's something I've let slip by me, maybe I should add some to the back end of my cut. After I do 6 weeks on Ursa daily and triton pre workout (that's what I decided on) I'm gonna do 4-6 more weeks eating at maintenance with sns recomp20 and some other goodies. I'm already getting the you look skinny comments so it's all downhill from here lol. I need whatever natty edge I can get after I hit a low
I'm also looking to this route more and more for some of the reasons you mentioned. I have no problem getting a good pump and enhanced pumps beyond my normal I have found to be counter productive. Especially when I'm not doing bodybuilding type training which is only about 25% of training for me at the moment. Everything else is strength, stamina and muscular endurance for me right now
Mikereyn513
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I'll get some after the cut and let you know
Mikereyn513
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Oops wrong reply I know the place that has it so I'll get some after thr cut and let you know. Just semax or selank too. I forget of vigorous Steve used both at the same time
Hyde
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At this point, on blast and an honorary fat guy, my preWO is 12oz drip coffee, a B50 complex, hup A, 250mg citicholine, 200mg Ubiquinol & 20mg PQQ. If it’s a learning/technical day I add 10mg Noopept & an extra capsule of choline, and if the priority is particularly heavy work or I’m stuffed up I might add 12.5mg Ephedrine.
I’ve always already recently had Nattokinase, a cap of green tea extract, and Astragalus upon waking. Then I’m drinking some water, sipping my coffee, then I drop those pills & eat a cliff bar before heading to the gym. I eat a LOT of sodium right now and also salt my intra water, so I’m already hydrated as long as I get the fluid intake generally.
Whenever Focus XT ever gets back in stock with the new flavors, I’ll be buying more of that.
Nac
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Has anyone noticed a difference spending a decent amount of time inj hgh IM vs subq? Subjectively, it seems like either
1) IM is more "potent", for want of a better word (possibly better lipolysis?)
2) IM just seems to result in greater sides [achey joints] due to the administration method (lipolysis and igf1 release is no less going subq)
3) neither of these, any differences Ive noticed are utterly coincidental
Hyde, has Kikel said anything about the differences between admin methods?
1) IM is more "potent", for want of a better word (possibly better lipolysis?)
2) IM just seems to result in greater sides [achey joints] due to the administration method (lipolysis and igf1 release is no less going subq)
3) neither of these, any differences Ive noticed are utterly coincidental
Hyde, has Kikel said anything about the differences between admin methods?
Mikereyn513
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Nac
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Yeah interesting you should mention him, I could be recalling wrong but Im sure he said on of the more recent Big Paul pods that he switched from subq to IM and he reckons the effects, the good ones like muscle fullnes etc, increased overnight for him as if he had upped his dose (which he hadnt). And that in part is what made me wonder if subq is somehow less potent? Or is it like IM AAS where the potency is just less peaked and more evenly spread out over time?
Im just not sure.
Hyde
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Speed of release/onset of action is what I’ve heard him state.
That being said, after having a lot of clients using carnitine over time, Alex seemed pretty convinced carnitine seems to work better done IM instead of subq. He doesn’t really recommend subq for carnitine if possible anymore.
Which could lend some credibility to Chase’s opinions on his IM GH use feeling more potent.
Nac
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Yes, the speed of onset is appealing as a reason for my experience of certain sides (as again like with AAS, lots of guys advocate subq for TRT precisely for lower peaks and less aromatisation).
Vigorous Steve umm, vigorously advocates IV for many drugs we use, dunno if Ill ever experiment with that route myself lol
Vigorous Steve umm, vigorously advocates IV for many drugs we use, dunno if Ill ever experiment with that route myself lol
Mikereyn513
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Hyde
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Bleu Taylor basically claims he built his physique on GH; he gave his prep stack when competing and it was silly, m like under 700 total mg of AAS including a nip of Tren. BUT he found the more GH he took, that is what really made him grow - he was doing something like 16-20iu at his peak, as I recall.
He did a ton of bloodwork with his doctor trying out timed IV administration every couple hours, and they found no difference between blood levels from IV and IM.
MrKleen73
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I was just reading about this practice as well. Keeping androgens down to reasonable levels and pushing GH for the extra growth. Sounds neat but I am not in the price bracket to even consider it.
Mikereyn513
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Same here...if I could I would run the chase irons protocol. Gh test mast and more gh. He's not even running slin..I asked him in the comments in one of his videos and he replied no. Not even lantus which is crazy to me. I believe him to he has no reason to lie about it
Hyde
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It just depends on what you respond to, same as the individuality of steroid response. It’s very unlikely this would work for you the same way even if you had unlimited GH access.
The reason plenty of pro bodybuilders don’t go above 8iu often isn’t because none of them could afford to…it’s because all people don’t linearly respond to growth - same as they can’t get by with only 6-700mg of gear to make a competitive physique. Twice that is still considered a low amount of androgens in bodybuilding.
Like Chase Irons having no apparent issues at 3,500mg test/wk…some guys can do stuff like this, but plenty will experience horrible edema, struggle to control estrogen, gyno & bp, start losing hair, suffer BPH, crazy acne breakouts. You could take Anastrazole, Raloxifene, Amlodipene, Azulsartan, Finasteride, Isotretinoin…but maybe you would just be better off using a different combo/dose of anabolics?
MrKleen73
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Makes complete sense. Honestly, as cool as it all sounds, I am pretty sure I can reach my goals without ever getting too crazy on the gear. I don't have ridiculously lofty goals compared to where my physique is at. So all of these ideas sound supercool, but not anything I would be able to justify to myself. Just have to remember I don't need to pay attention to every new shiny object and focus on what applies to me.
SkRaw85
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Hyde
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It’s just 2 pictures of him sprawled out in the same chair looking exhausted , one with normal pants and the other pitching a tent
