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Training log revamp ROUND 3 lol

Smont said:
I'm lost, I must have missed the question
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I agree tho, Superdrol over anadrol for physique. Anadrol for strength, or just stack them. People freak out at the idea but 50-150 anadrol is common and I've seen ppl go up to 300 a day.

30-50 SD is common and yes I've seen protocols up to 100mg SD per day.

I like the idea of 50 anadrol and 20-30 SD would make you crazy strong. This would be very limited run. I like the same idea with dbol and SD @20-30 each. My boy used test, Mast, dbol, winny and SD all stacked (the orals 30mg each) instead of the bloated dbol look it was more like big full look without the bloat. Not something I'd do more then 4 weeks probably. I think he did it leading up to a photo shoot or something like that. His job has a lot to do with how he looks so he's on too much too often
 
Smont said:
I agree tho, Superdrol over anadrol for physique. Anadrol for strength, or just stack them. People freak out at the idea but 50-150 anadrol is common and I've seen ppl go up to 300 a day.

30-50 SD is common and yes I've seen protocols up to 100mg SD per day.

I like the idea of 50 anadrol and 20-30 SD would make you crazy strong. This would be very limited run. I like the same idea with dbol and SD @20-30 each. My boy used test, Mast, dbol, winny and SD all stacked (the orals 30mg each) instead of the bloated dbol look it was more like big full look without the bloat. Not something I'd do more then 4 weeks probably. I think he did it leading up to a photo shoot or something like that. His job has a lot to do with how he looks so he's on too much too often
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Bro I just watched the latest cutler cast wurh Milos where milos brings his old training journals in. Milo's was taking 6 anadrol a day and jay got up to 10!!! That's 500 mgs that's a legit amount of test a week 😂😂😂
 
Mikereyn513 said:
In the big Paul's latest podcast Dr Todd said superdrol was just a better version of anadrol and I wanted to know your guys' opinions.
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I would agree, but I'd like to throw this out there. Some ppl don't hold water on anadrol and they feel great on it. I'm one of those ppl. I also feel good on SD but .my point is..... if you feel good on drol and you look good on drol who's to say SD is better for you. I know a Lotta ppl that feel like trash on SD after a week. That's not good. Regardless of my reasoning on what's better then what, I will always say Regardless of your goal, the best steroids are going to be the ones you tolerate best.
 
Smont said:
I would agree, but I'd like to throw this out there. Some ppl don't hold water on anadrol and they feel great on it. I'm one of those ppl. I also feel good on SD but .my point is..... if you feel good on drol and you look good on drol who's to say SD is better for you. I know a Lotta ppl that feel like trash on SD after a week. That's not good. Regardless of my reasoning on what's better then what, I will always say Regardless of your goal, the best steroids are going to be the ones you tolerate best.
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Agree I don't hold water on anadrol either, it's one of the reasons I like it so much. I can stay lean an get strong af quick.
 
I would be scared AF of stacking Anadrol and SD, or taking 6-10 Anadrol. I can almost remember the feel of my bicep detaching just thinking about it…
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I get nervous taking 2 and I love taking gear
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Dave Tate said as crazy as all the stuff he saw at Westside, if someone told them to take 2 Anadrol a day, even they would all tell them you’re fucking crazy. They all saw the injuries that come from that combined with heavy lifting.

The problem isn’t the amount of drugs, but the speed of performance increases relative to how long it takes the tendons to catch up. It’s a real gamble. That’s why ramping steadily up to big doses of long esters is preferable, because it is progressive. Whenever I use orals, I always keep more reps in the tank.
 
I cant believe Chase Irons sat through that bullsh1t discussion with Victor Black. It was like he was being told off by his dad. And geezus, wtf..."I dont respect any of you guys, Im the leading PED authority, no-one is worthy enough for me to collaborate with". Holy fuk. And he thinks people dont like him cos he calls out broscience. Lulz.
 
Nac said:
I cant believe Chase Irons sat through that bullsh1t discussion with Victor Black. It was like he was being told off by his dad. And geezus, wtf..."I dont respect any of you guys, Im the leading PED authority, no-one is worthy enough for me to collaborate with". Holy fuk. And he thinks people dont like him cos he calls out broscience. Lulz.
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Uea they were talking about that on big Paul's podcast last weekend. Dr Todd called Victor black out pretty bad for what he did to chase
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I'd rather have Broderick Chavez do my protocols over Victor black any day
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The thing about Broderick is, for all his being an opinionated curmudgeon, he realizes there are different ways to skin a cat, individual differences in drug response, as well as the risk a person is willing to assume. He is more of a realist. It’s not a moral superiority conversation.

Victor Black basically says this is my “safer use” model, why I believe as much, everyone should just follow this and if that’s not right for you then bugger off.
 
Hyde said:
The thing about Broderick is, for all his being an opinionated curmudgeon, he realizes there are different ways to skin a cat, individual differences in drug response, as well as the risk a person is willing to assume. He is more of a realist. It’s not a moral superiority conversation.

Victor Black basically says this is my “safer use” model, why I believe as much, everyone should just follow this and if that’s not right for you then bugger off.
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If i was in a position to have a coach like that I wouldn't choose either one, I would just choose Broderick over Victor
 
Mikereyn513 said:
If i was in a position to have a coach like that I wouldn't choose either one, I would just choose Broderick over Victor
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Coaching is very useful for getting to work when you don’t have the knowledge base, but the longterm goal of every athlete should be to figure out what works for them & learn enough they no longer need a mentor.
 
Hyde said:
Dave Tate said as crazy as all the stuff he saw at Westside, if someone told them to take 2 Anadrol a day, even they would all tell them you’re fucking crazy. They all saw the injuries that come from that combined with heavy lifting.

The problem isn’t the amount of drugs, but the speed of performance increases relative to how long it takes the tendons to catch up. It’s a real gamble. That’s why ramping steadily up to big doses of long esters is preferable, because it is progressive. Whenever I use orals, I always keep more reps in the tank.
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Ya I think tate said you only take 1 anadrol, if you take 2 you get injured lol
 
Smont said:
Ya I think tate said you only take 1 anadrol, if you take 2 you get injured lol
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And obviously what Tate was doing vs the way Cutler or Milos trained is very different, BUT I know Cutler did crazy volume and I cannot understand how he was able to accomplish that with 10 Anadrol a day. The pump would be so totally insane it just doesn’t make sense.
 
Hyde said:
And obviously what Tate was doing vs the way Cutler or Milos trained is very different, BUT I know Cutler did crazy volume and I cannot understand how he was able to accomplish that with 10 Anadrol a day. The pump would be so totally insane it just doesn’t make sense.
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I know, I agree, I just erased a bunch I typed of me trying to come up with a reason how that could work and I couldn't make it make sense to the point I was so frustrated I erased it all lol.🤣🤣🤣
 
Hyde said:
And obviously what Tate was doing vs the way Cutler or Milos trained is very different, BUT I know Cutler did crazy volume and I cannot understand how he was able to accomplish that with 10 Anadrol a day. The pump would be so totally insane it just doesn’t make sense.
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Edit...went back and listened it was nasser who took 10 cutler only took 4, what a pu$$y only 4 anadrol
 
Same thing tho, nasser was still an elite bodybuilder who trained with high volume. How would you even dose that, 2 pills 5× per day ?
 
Trigili made a pretty good video on it. He said if he took 10 he his stomach woukd literally fall out of his ass and onto the floor. Lol 😂 he was like my liver hurts just thinking about it. It's crazy to think you're going through 100 anadrol in 10 days!!! 100 Anadrol is like 3 separate blasts for me
 
Smont said:
If I had to guess he took a serving with every meal
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That's what I'm thinking and 1 serving PWO. I wish I would've known i would've asked him back in 2009 when I was working at a gym he used to train at every so often. All he ever told me was gram quantities of test is Mandatory at that level
 
Mikereyn513 said:
That's what I'm thinking and 1 serving PWO. I wish I would've known i would've asked him back in 2009 when I was working at a gym he used to train at every so often. All he ever told me was gram quantities of test is Mandatory at that level
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I think it's safe to say at this Is point in time with all the information we have available to us That most procycles ar 1.5-3gm of gear plus slin anf gh and sky's the limit
 
Smont said:
I think it's safe to say at this Is point in time with all the information we have available to us That most procycles ar 1.5-3gm of gear plus slin anf gh and sky's the limit
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Sorry for the typos. I am driving and texting like an aszhole
 
Man I went to look up that Chase Irons debate with Victor Black and I couldn’t make it more than about 8 minutes before shutting it off.

Poor Chase, having to listen to a grown man just whine on & on, blathering about how great & misunderstood & victimized he is.

Chase really was a saint, just letting Black dig his own grave.
 
Hyde said:
Man I went to look up that Chase Irons debate with Victor Black and I couldn’t make it more than about 8 minutes before shutting it off.

Poor Chase, having to listen to a grown man just whine on & on, blathering about how great & misunderstood & victimized he is.

Chase really was a saint, just letting Black dig his own grave.
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Dude you beat me...I couldn't even get through the preview at the beginning when he was accusing chase of telling everyone to run the same cycle that he is..that was the most disrespectful thing I've seen on a fitness podcast I gotta give it up to chase for actually finishing the interview because I sure as hell wouldn't have. Dude acts like he's goddam Dan Duchaine or something
 
Hyde said:
Man I went to look up that Chase Irons debate with Victor Black and I couldn’t make it more than about 8 minutes before shutting it off.

Poor Chase, having to listen to a grown man just whine on & on, blathering about how great & misunderstood & victimized he is.

Chase really was a saint, just letting Black dig his own grave.
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Check the comments, I made a post like 14 minutes in. That says I hate to say this but I gotta turn this off, there's only so long I can listen to a grown man cry about being picked on or whatever. It was unbearable
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Dude you beat me...I couldn't even get through the preview at the beginning when he was accusing chase of telling everyone to run the same cycle that he is..that was the most disrespectful thing I've seen on a fitness podcast I gotta give it up to chase for actually finishing the interview because I sure as hell wouldn't have. Dude acts like he's goddam Dan Duchaine or something
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If I had to take a guess, he probably thinks That Dan duchene copied him.
 
So I opened a vial of geneza test e 250 right after memorial day when I started the diet break. 125mg 2× week. So I did a shot last Wednesday and by Friday I thought i had an abcess the pain was brutal but no fever and eventually went away. So I did my Sunday morning shot in my upper quad because I mixed it with some carnatine. And my leg is killing me to the point I'm limping. Of course I still trained legs last night like an idiot. My leg is swollen. It's like when someone is on stage and tge muscle is all blurry because of a bad shot. Do you think I somehow contaminated the vial? Do you think I could do daily micro administration's with the rest of the vial so it doesn't go to waste. I have a bunch of dragon pharma test on hand plus my pre Vegas stack being shipped as we speak so if I lose thr vial it is what it is but I'd like to save it if I can. I'm guessing there's atleast 3ccs in there ( so 3 weeks worth of trt)
 
Mikereyn513 said:
So I opened a vial of geneza test e 250 right after memorial day when I started the diet break. 125mg 2× week. So I did a shot last Wednesday and by Friday I thought i had an abcess the pain was brutal but no fever and eventually went away. So I did my Sunday morning shot in my upper quad because I mixed it with some carnatine. And my leg is killing me to the point I'm limping. Of course I still trained legs last night like an idiot. My leg is swollen. It's like when someone is on stage and tge muscle is all blurry because of a bad shot. Do you think I somehow contaminated the vial? Do you think I could do daily micro administration's with the rest of the vial so it doesn't go to waste. I have a bunch of dragon pharma test on hand plus my pre Vegas stack being shipped as we speak so if I lose thr vial it is what it is but I'd like to save it if I can. I'm guessing there's atleast 3ccs in there ( so 3 weeks worth of trt)
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I'd go to the Dr, and I would throw that bottle in the trash. 2 shots back to back with severe pain and or swelling. No Bueno jose
 
Smont said:
I'd go to the Dr, and I would throw that bottle in the trash. 2 shots back to back with severe pain and or swelling. No Bueno jose
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Yea that's what I thought good thing I have a bunch of vials of dragon test e on hand or I'd be screwed. I'm just curious how it happened..it's not like it was a brand new vial. Everything was fine until now
 
Yeah, not worth the risk….trash it and go to Doctor just to be safe. If it is an infection the earlier you get antibiotics the better.
 
So good news swelling has gone down significantly and pain is pretty close to gone. I can walk without a limp. Took the day off work anyways just to let it rest. And has hard as it was I threw away the rest of the vial and opened a brand new dragon test e vial and pinned a half cc (125mg) into my ventro
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Yea that's what I thought good thing I have a bunch of vials of dragon test e on hand or I'd be screwed. I'm just curious how it happened..it's not like it was a brand new vial. Everything was fine until now
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Your vial might not be sealed correctly. All that seals a bottle of test is a rubber plug and a very thin piece of metal crimped to the top.
Mikereyn513 said:
So good news swelling has gone down significantly and pain is pretty close to gone. I can walk without a limp. Took the day off work anyways just to let it rest. And has hard as it was I threw away the rest of the vial and opened a brand new dragon test e vial and pinned a half cc (125mg) into my ventro
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If you went out to dinner and ordered a $60 steak but filled up on appetizers you would probably bring it home. But if it sat in the fridge for 2 weeks would you eat it because you paid for it even tho it's bad? Come on bro, I've drank up 200$ bar tabs back in the day. What a $50 bottle of test. I know the feeling tho. But remember your throwing away something that's going to hurt your progress, not help it. Plus idk if you ever seen what it looks like when a abcess gets cut out of a muscle but..... ya, it's bad!
 
Oh man, I had a horror story from some funky test once. I ended up with a huge lump on my ventro glute. You could see it through my pants, and workout clothes. Not sure if it was crashed, or just had too much solvent in it or what. I shot it in my quad first and it hurt really bad, so I tried the ventrogluteal next. That is when I got the gnarly lump. I was pretty sure I was going to have to get the thing cut out then the pain stopped, and it finally started going away. You could still see it 6 weeks later but it was almost gone. Pretty wild stuff.
 
Smont said:
Your vial might not be sealed correctly. All that seals a bottle of test is a rubber plug and a very thin piece of metal crimped to the top.

If you went out to dinner and ordered a $60 steak but filled up on appetizers you would probably bring it home. But if it sat in the fridge for 2 weeks would you eat it because you paid for it even tho it's bad? Come on bro, I've drank up 200$ bar tabs back in the day. What a $50 bottle of test. I know the feeling tho. But remember your throwing away something that's going to hurt your progress, not help it. Plus idk if you ever seen what it looks like when a abcess gets cut out of a muscle but..... ya, it's bad!
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I got a couple of bottles of Test once that they didn’t crimp the top. The first time I filled a syringe and pulled the needle out the whole top popped off and Test went everywhere. I checked the second bottle and it was the same way, I was so pissed. But I had never had that issue with that UGL before, so I emailed him. He was very apologetic and actually sent 3 bottles, 2 to replace the ones I ordered and 1 for my trouble, and they were all crimped, so that was cool. Oh and I did trash the other bottle, it may have been fine, but not worth the risk.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
So I opened a vial of geneza test e 250 right after memorial day when I started the diet break. 125mg 2× week. So I did a shot last Wednesday and by Friday I thought i had an abcess the pain was brutal but no fever and eventually went away. So I did my Sunday morning shot in my upper quad because I mixed it with some carnatine. And my leg is killing me to the point I'm limping. Of course I still trained legs last night like an idiot. My leg is swollen. It's like when someone is on stage and tge muscle is all blurry because of a bad shot. Do you think I somehow contaminated the vial? Do you think I could do daily micro administration's with the rest of the vial so it doesn't go to waste. I have a bunch of dragon pharma test on hand plus my pre Vegas stack being shipped as we speak so if I lose thr vial it is what it is but I'd like to save it if I can. I'm guessing there's atleast 3ccs in there ( so 3 weeks worth of trt)
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Don’t mix carnitine with your gear; if you pin water and oil in the same shot it can crash in the depot and cause a big inflamed welt. Did that once in my pec with some injectable SARMs and my test/mast earlier this year.

Good vials from good sources sometimes get contaminated midway, especially when open for longer periods like a cruise. Even using normal best practices like always wiping with alcohol, germs are a thing. Cut the loss and toss it.
 
Hyde said:
Don’t mix carnitine with your gear; if you pin water and oil in the same shot it can crash in the depot and cause a big inflamed welt. Did that once in my pec with some injectable SARMs and my test/mast earlier this year.

Good vials from good sources sometimes get contaminated midway, especially when open for longer periods like a cruise. Even using normal best practices like always wiping with alcohol, germs are a thing. Cut the loss and toss it.
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That’s a good point, I never thought about that, because the two won’t mix ( oil & water ).
 
Hyde said:
Don’t mix carnitine with your gear; if you pin water and oil in the same shot it can crash in the depot and cause a big inflamed welt. Did that once in my pec with some injectable SARMs and my test/mast earlier this year.

Good vials from good sources sometimes get contaminated midway, especially when open for longer periods like a cruise. Even using normal best practices like always wiping with alcohol, germs are a thing. Cut the loss and toss it.
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I know as soon as I did that I remembered an old vigorous Steve video where he said don't ever do that. Yea I tossed it already this morning. It had to somehow gotten contaminated halfway like you said. Oh well...I used atleast 3/4 of it so it's not like even lost that much
 
Mikereyn513 said:
I know as soon as I did that I remembered an old vigorous Steve video where he said don't ever do that. Yea I tossed it already this morning. It had to somehow gotten contaminated halfway like you said. Oh well...I used atleast 3/4 of it so it's not like even lost that much
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I've done it 2 or 3 times with test and carnitine. First 2 times it was smooth as ever and the 3rd time it knotted up and bruised and I never did it again
 
Anyone down for so.e fun side topics that I can keep separately from my new log.

I been reading up on Methylene blue and a few other compounds i'm interested in for cognitive function and endurance. Some of them are on one of the vigorous Steve endurance stacks.

I've also been playing around with pt-141. Very Interesting drug I must say. If there's no real issues from long term use I may start doing long stretches @ 0.5-1mg per day
 
Smont said:
Anyone down for so.e fun side topics that I can keep separately from my new log.

I been reading up on Methylene blue and a few other compounds i'm interested in for cognitive function and endurance. Some of them are on one of the vigorous Steve endurance stacks.

I've also been playing around with pt-141. Very Interesting drug I must say. If there's no real issues from long term use I may start doing long stretches @ 0.5-1mg per day
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Do any of these things work well? I'm trying to lay off the caffeine tolerance is getting way too high and obviously it doesn't help with pumps in the gym. I remember back in the day rich piana saying his product was like taking Adderall, I never tried it but that's so hard for me to believe. The super shredder from aa has been the closest thing. When I take that then I only take 1 scoop of pre workout and I could train for hours.
 
Side rant..I hate the summer..when we were kids i know we all loved the summer but I don't remember it being so goddammit hot. It's miserable. I couldn't even imagine living in Phoenix. It's been like 110 for over a month there. I would seriously lose my mind
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Do any of these things work well? I'm trying to lay off the caffeine tolerance is getting way too high and obviously it doesn't help with pumps in the gym. I remember back in the day rich piana saying his product was like taking Adderall, I never tried it but that's so hard for me to believe. The super shredder from aa has been the closest thing. When I take that then I only take 1 scoop of pre workout and I could train for hours.
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I don't know, I've never used these things. Methylene blue I've been hearing about for probably 3 or 4 years but it was far and few. Randomly I'd come across someone talking about it, and it always sounded pretty cool but I'd forget about it until it Randomly pops up again. Some of those other things I never heard of till recently
 
I’ve really never looked into it or heard it discussed. With GW available, it’s hard to imagine something much better for a gym rat just looking to chew through some longer volume sessions. Not that there’s anything wrong with stacking or exploring other avenues.
 
@Smont

What have you noticed with the PT 141?
 
Hyde said:
I’ve really never looked into it or heard it discussed. With GW available, it’s hard to imagine something much better for a gym rat just looking to chew through some longer volume sessions. Not that there’s anything wrong with stacking or exploring other avenues.
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Supposed to be much better but also that's not the only reason for using it, it's very popular in many countries for treating all kinds of problems. In high doses it lowers hematocrit so well that it's actually dangerous you can end up too low and it does a million other things with a wide array of doses depending on the needs bit honestly it sounds amazing. In the US we only use it for a rare red bloodcell disorder
 
manifesto said:
@Smont

What have you noticed with the PT 141?
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0.5 I noticed nothing at first, but the following day I just kinda felt good and I noticed that I was easily aroused is the best I could explain it. By day 3 or 4 I felt like that all the time. Good mentality and not horny for no reason but it didn't take much to get going and after finishing it seemed to take longer to go down, which was kinda cool the first time but quickly became annoying lol. Took a few days off and the effects kinda dulled by day 3. Then I did 1mg and the next day I felt back to how I mentioned before. Skipped a day and it dulled down, then did 1.5 and Skipped a few days and 2mg is next.

From what I read 2-3mg is what you want 45min pre activities and anything over 5mg was problematic for some people lol. Honestly I did limited research. But aperently it can potentially aid in fatlpss and mood disorders and some other stuff. Cool experience and honestly I didn't have high expectations. I figured this was gonna be over hyped. I probably won't go beyond 2mg and I likes the effects of just 0.5mg daily
 
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