Training log revamp ROUND 3 lol
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MrKleen73
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I understand some of the fake natty stuff, but Mike O'hearn, it's a bit much. He says anyone can do what he did naturally. Not the most genetically gifted and makes it sound like anyone who can't is just doing something wrong. That is where he gets to me. The Liver King, I just find him funny, he doesn't really bother me, he already lost me at liver!
Smont
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Mike has just rode the natty train so hard for so many years that if he gave up now he would loose everything. The whole you can look like me thing is definitely rediculous tho. Steroids or not, the guy is a fukin genetic marvel. Perfect skin, perfect hair, he's probably half vampire because he hasn't gotten any older looking in the last 20 years.
There's genetics for symmetry, genetics for mass, genetics for strength, genetics for health and not getting side effects.
Most of us are lucky if we have good genetics for one of the above
He literally has all the good genes for everything, it's insane
KvanH
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He had me at liver
Smont
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Weird workout today, I wasn't feeling it at first but it came together mid workout and I felt like I finished strong.
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Workouts are about 1hr and 40min long, but there's a 10min warm up and I take another 10-20 to kinda wind down at the end, usually peddling on a bike or some kind of fluff work I don't track.
So the meat and potatoes of the workout is about an hour to an hour and 15min
Nothing Important to say, I've just kinda been going through the motions with diet and boxing.
Today was
Chicken, eggs and rice
Spiral ham and cheddar cheese on a bagel, Greek yogurt cup and a apple
Chicken and rice
Collision course and eaas
Last of the leftovers from Thanksgiving, turkey, mash, onions, carrots and a little Mac and cheese.
Still weighing 202, no "real" cardio in the past 5 days, just some steady state on the bike post workout
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Workouts are about 1hr and 40min long, but there's a 10min warm up and I take another 10-20 to kinda wind down at the end, usually peddling on a bike or some kind of fluff work I don't track.
So the meat and potatoes of the workout is about an hour to an hour and 15min
Nothing Important to say, I've just kinda been going through the motions with diet and boxing.
Today was
Chicken, eggs and rice
Spiral ham and cheddar cheese on a bagel, Greek yogurt cup and a apple
Chicken and rice
Collision course and eaas
Last of the leftovers from Thanksgiving, turkey, mash, onions, carrots and a little Mac and cheese.
Still weighing 202, no "real" cardio in the past 5 days, just some steady state on the bike post workout
Smont
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I got some peptides and carderine on hand that I think I'm gonna use next month, just to give me the false sense of being on a cycle. I'd like to hop back on cycle now but it's only been 5-6 weeks off and I cant get bloods till January without paying out of pocket so I'm just using that excuse as a reason to cruise/trt longer before going back on cycle.
I've been trying to do 50mg of test e every other day but I've been lazy with injection frequency the past month. Most of that time I've only been jabbing 50mg 2-3x week but I've felt completely fine so I'm not too concerned. I do imagine my test is sitting lower then my typical 900's but again, not seeing any problem. I may just go back to pinning 1x week for a while out of convenience.
Possible plan for December
150mg test every Sunday
Carderine 10mg before bed and a additional 10 pre boxing workouts?
Maybe some cjc dac and ipamorelin
Any ideas for something to preserve mass that's non steroidal or dosent mess with bloods too much if at all.
Haven't taken creatine since October 15th so I should probably pick some up
I've been trying to do 50mg of test e every other day but I've been lazy with injection frequency the past month. Most of that time I've only been jabbing 50mg 2-3x week but I've felt completely fine so I'm not too concerned. I do imagine my test is sitting lower then my typical 900's but again, not seeing any problem. I may just go back to pinning 1x week for a while out of convenience.
Possible plan for December
150mg test every Sunday
Carderine 10mg before bed and a additional 10 pre boxing workouts?
Maybe some cjc dac and ipamorelin
Any ideas for something to preserve mass that's non steroidal or dosent mess with bloods too much if at all.
Haven't taken creatine since October 15th so I should probably pick some up
Mikereyn513
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True atleast Doucette is open and honest about his gear and to his credit he does seem knowledgeable especially more on the sarms department
Mikereyn513
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I know your said you weren't feeling it but your bench numbers are still legit bro. I find I get that same feeling during the week. I'll start out going through the motions and then all if a sudden a certain song will come on or I'll look at myself at a certain angle and then all of a sudden bam! And I get into it. It's like where was this in the beginning on my big lifts? And it's not the PWO kicking in because I wait atleast 30-40 minutes before training
Smont
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I know but I know my last workout on bench I did 325x3 and then 245 for 3 sets of 10, knowing my current strength and the way numbers have been progressing I feel like this week everything felt heavy 335x2 felt like a max lift, I barely got that seccond rep, and muscle endurance went downhill fast on the volume sets all the way up to those High incline dumbbell presses. Now if I did those dumbbell presses first in my workout I can bang those out for sets of 20 or more no problem and I know that after a few sets my strength goes down but I should have easily got four sets of 12 on those and I just couldn't do it. Then for some reason obviously side laterals are an easy exercise but when I switched over from chest to shoulders everything got better so maybe it just wasn't a good day for chest for me. I don't think there's anything wrong with the numbers I put up it's just not what I was hoping to achieve that day? So in general I felt like my strength was down.
I've also been kind of riding a wave of constant progression since I finished that bench competition things have just gotten better and I've kind of felt like I was on peak blast cycle mg's even though I pretty much dropped everything 6 weeks ago, maybe all those hormones like the EQ and the higher test levels just kind of finally bottomed out and put me back in my place?
I'm going to back off the heavy bench stuff for a while, I'm still going to work my way up to 3:15 before doing my back off sets for volume but I'm not going to keep trying to press these 320 330 340 and so on for sets of 2-3.
Instead I'll just try to add a rep at 3:15 or maintain my strength at 3:15 I don't know.
Might just be a reality check that you can't make steady progress every workout but like I said it was only chest that felt s*****, shoulders felt great everything felt too light on shoulders.
Mikereyn513
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All true..that's also why I don't trip on steady progress from session to session because so many things can affect it did you miss a meal yesterday, stress at work, home, etc..good point on the bottoming out idea especially with the eq scince it has been 6 weeks( already btw? That comp seems like it was just last weekend getting older sucks bro (
Smont
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Ya, comp was October 15th and I stopped the EQ and test on the 8th or 9th, I stopped orals on the 15th and then started pinning test again about 2 or 3 weeks later to the best of my knowledge.
I also trained later then planned yesterday and had a mid day nap right before the gym. There's variables, it's not really a big deal. It's more so I just wanted to make a note that my strength fell down a bit.
Technically I shouldn't be going heavy on the weekends to begin with. The way training is set up, or supposed to be set up is to do all my moderate weight volume sets on the weekends and some low rep heavy stuff during the week.
Ego always takes over when I get on the bench tho. I might actually eliminate bench on volume day and do incline smith bench in it's place
Hyde
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My bench has definitely started to drop off last few weeks. Especially intentionally dropping some weight post blast, there was no hope of maintaining that zenith.
I am mentally ready to blast again after 8 weeks of true cruising, but instead I get elbow surgery in 9 days and who knows how much of a setback that will be!
I am mentally ready to blast again after 8 weeks of true cruising, but instead I get elbow surgery in 9 days and who knows how much of a setback that will be!
Smont
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Word! Wtf did you do to your elbow, that sucks dude
Hyde
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No I’m excited for it, last 2 years or more I’ve been losing flexion - MRI shows there’s actually bone on the inside of my elbow and on the back under the tricep that’s physically preventing the ROM now. Could be some growth, could be fragment that broke off from somewhere else during strength training and lodged in those spots.
It’s an arthroscopic cleanup, so he’s saying I can start lifting with it immediately but it will hurt for 3-4 months while I do PT. Bone often regrows just from doing this cleanup, so it’s no guarantee it won’t come back worse later on. But hopefully I can get back to closegrip, incline, overhead pressing and doing curls.
Mikereyn513
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Damn @Hyde That sucks bro but I know if anyone on here knows what to do and what they're doing it's you. Close grip bench and overhead press are two of my favs for sure
Smont
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That basically sounds like what I need done to my ankles and heels
Hyde
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Yeah my front delts historically have been fairly strong compared to my pecs, but I have basically had to abandon overhead & incline work. Closegrip has to be done to something like a 2-boardpress.
Curling definitely has gone out the window.
Lots of fun stuff, so I’m willing to do whatever I can to get back to them.
Yeah it’s probably worth consulting an ortho, but it could be tricky actually scheduling with your physical job if surgery is the answer. I wasn’t even sure I was down for surgery initially, but I went because I wanted answers (like was this maybe something I could PT my way back to full ROM?).
Smont
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Yeah for like the last two years they wanted to go in and clean up my feet but my job is the reason why I don't do it. I'll have full insurance in January in the first time I get a layoff I'm doing everything
Smont
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Worked in the pouring rain all day and I feel like **** so no gym.
Got 3lbs of venison backstrap marinating in bloody Mary mix over night tho. That's gonna make me feel better!
Then I'm gonna ask the misses for a back rub and a happy ending, then after she says no I'm gonna hit the casino
Got 3lbs of venison backstrap marinating in bloody Mary mix over night tho. That's gonna make me feel better!
Then I'm gonna ask the misses for a back rub and a happy ending, then after she says no I'm gonna hit the casino
Mikereyn513
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Worked in the pouring rain all day and I feel like **** so no gym.
Got 3lbs of venison backstrap marinating in bloody Mary mix over night tho. That's gonna make me feel better!
Then I'm gonna ask the misses for a back rub and a happy ending, then after she says no I'm gonna hit the casino
which one? I went to Mohegan sun once and Foxwoods one time as well. My wife took me to the hard Rock in there for dinner back in the day when she took me back to CT to show me where she grew up
Smont
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Mohegan, I go there like 90% of the time. Foxwoods does have better events and shows normally. They also have a big mall inside
Mikereyn513
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I'm taking this picture into the shower with me tonight..
I'm eating egg whites and cream of rice after a 2 hour chest/delt session followed by a 35 minute step mill session
Mikereyn513
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I was waiting to see when you would post about that. Nick trigili's video was the first one I saw yesterday morning and by the time I got home from work everyone had chimed in...Doucette, Lobliner, big Paul put a good one out this morning...I can't believe vigorous Steve was liver kings coach well I can because if I had the money that's who I'd hire
Mikereyn513
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BTW wtf is ghee?
MrKleen73
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Clarified butter, you slow boil it to cook out any of the left over dairy byproducts do it doesn't burn or smoke so easily. It increases the smoke point for higher temperature cooking.
Hyde
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You know he probably wouldn’t have needed to run 350 Winny a week to stay dry if he just didn’t stay on 2/3 a vial of GH a day….but that’s really none of my business 
Til death bro
Til death bro
Smont
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For life
Smont
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I only say the first few min of tragili video and then I listened to anabolic bodybuilding "Paul" this morning.
Paul made a good point about low estrogen and the possibility of that stopping him from getting a higher igf score.
Also you would think liver nuts would be smart enough to know you can't stack natty boosters with exogenous.
Mk and cjc won't do anything if your on that much gh.
Also did you catch the part where he said LK is 5'6 185lbs
The way he shoots all his videos he looks much bigger. I would have thought 6ft 230+
Smont
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Side note, I forgot my lunch today and working in the middle of nowhere. I had my bag of stuff but forgot my actual meals
I has a coffee on the ride in.
A apple and a 100cal Greek yogurt cup at break
Someone got me a coffee, bagel, banana and a granola bar from the gas station at lunch and that's it for the day.
Idk what's that, 600 calories maybe?
Got room to splerge on dinner so should be some food porn.
I has a coffee on the ride in.
A apple and a 100cal Greek yogurt cup at break
Someone got me a coffee, bagel, banana and a granola bar from the gas station at lunch and that's it for the day.
Idk what's that, 600 calories maybe?
Got room to splerge on dinner so should be some food porn.
Mikereyn513
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Food porn food porn food porn ( that's me chanting) i need something to look at after abs and 1 hour of cardio tonight)Side note, I forgot my lunch today and working in the middle of nowhere. I had my bag of stuff but forgot my actual meals
I has a coffee on the ride in.
A apple and a 100cal Greek yogurt cup at break
Someone got me a coffee, bagel, banana and a granola bar from the gas station at lunch and that's it for the day.
Idk what's that, 600 calories maybe?
Got room to splerge on dinner so should be some food porn.
Mikereyn513
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Damn that's it!?! With all that omnitrope and winny he only got to 185? Bro if you and I did that same cycle we'd be almost 220 with the same bf% easy his genetics suck
Mikereyn513
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I didn't finish Paul's video I got to the part where he starts talking about liver nuts breakfast but yea him trashing the cycle was hilarious. I watched trigili's second video before work where everyone figured out liver nuts coach is vigorous Steve
Smont
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Make sense, Steve talks about his clients all the time but never reveals anyone's name and regularly says he has quote unquote natural guys on cycles. But he's very good about his clients privacy, something that mpmd should have thought about. Anyone with half a brain now knows that Derek has no confidentiality for his clients or potential clients after this.
Sorry I didn't have time to do as much food prep as I thought last night, I like to spend time putting some presentation into my food even for my own personal enjoyment but I just was too exhausted last night it was almost 9:00 p.m. by the time I ate.
But I ended up making a big salad I lately pan fried some chicken breasts and finish them off in the oven, I made a chicken vegetable fried rice and like a steamed version of fried rice and then some venison burgers with Munster cheese. Everyone was busy around normal dinner time so we all eat late and went to bed.
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Mikereyn513
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Looks good...and everyone loves the big salad- George castanza
Smont
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I feel like I'm in limbo right now, I don't have enough time to train for boxing, I've only been getting like 3 sessions a week in.
I'm hitting everything like a bodybuilder over the weekend and getting a few touch up strength exercises in during the week and I was making progress at first, well, actually by the log book I'm still making progress, but visible progress is coming to a halt now with the cycle being long over and the lack of sleep ect.
I hate these in-between phazes. I always loose motivation and this time of year dosent really help.
Option 1. Maintenance mode/ slight deficit and struggle through it till January, get bloodwork and hop on a cutting diet/cycle.
Option 2. Cut hard now while not on cycle and really struggle through it
Option 3. Make Dr. Appointment for ASAP, pay out of pocket and see if I can start a cycle early.
Option 4. Just say **** it for the next 4-5 weeks, get through the holidays and start fresh next year "January".
I'm hitting everything like a bodybuilder over the weekend and getting a few touch up strength exercises in during the week and I was making progress at first, well, actually by the log book I'm still making progress, but visible progress is coming to a halt now with the cycle being long over and the lack of sleep ect.
I hate these in-between phazes. I always loose motivation and this time of year dosent really help.
Option 1. Maintenance mode/ slight deficit and struggle through it till January, get bloodwork and hop on a cutting diet/cycle.
Option 2. Cut hard now while not on cycle and really struggle through it
Option 3. Make Dr. Appointment for ASAP, pay out of pocket and see if I can start a cycle early.
Option 4. Just say **** it for the next 4-5 weeks, get through the holidays and start fresh next year "January".
Burnfire
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You have me interested I’m reading back through your log now. I would say option 1 if I had to pick.
Smont
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That's the smartest option
Smont
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It's kinda hard to navigate the thread, back in the summer I was training for a fight where I had to starve 30lbs off, then had a good rebound phase, the. Got a little to fat, cut 10lbs then October I had a bench press competition at 198lbs where I benched 360 and here we are.
In-between that there's like a dozen pages of all of us just talking nonsense and having random conversation.
We're kinda like a social group or a book club in here lol
Burnfire
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Man this sounds like I need a cup of coffee for this.
Good to see your doing good brother being a few years for me on here. Give me a sneak peak how did the fight go? Congrats on the bench contest!
Oh of course I knew the Shenanigans would still be in the threads that’s been a given since day one here.
gphagan1
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Food looks good….If you think Christmas would throw too many curve balls, you’re probably better off waiting another month on your cycle. But if you feel like you could get through without many issues, getting blood work now and starting early, if all is well, will give you that 4 week head start.
Hyde
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I feel like you haven’t been cruising that long if memory serves. I think your blast ended after mine and I’m still not blasting.
I mean if you had a time-sensitive goal that really would benefit from blasting sooner, then I would endorse it. BUT to me it sounds like you are just in a cruise limbo made worse by the work/season/contest availability scenario, so you just kind of want to take some drugs and make some gains, because we’re anabaholics and that’s fun to use.
I absolutely know I feel that way after every single blast. 4-8 weeks post blast, I am always running through random ideas for what I could take, with various potential justifications for why I should be experimenting with X combo suddenly, when the reality is it all comes back to this subconscious “get f*cking huge” mentality.
But then logic kicks in and I realize the best way to accomplish my goals isn’t just to start haphazardly taking a bunch of fast-acting hard hitting ****. I need to have a bigger plan, then figure out what best next moves me towards that, and then build cycle rough draft and diet around that.
The answer is Option 1, IMHO.
I mean if you had a time-sensitive goal that really would benefit from blasting sooner, then I would endorse it. BUT to me it sounds like you are just in a cruise limbo made worse by the work/season/contest availability scenario, so you just kind of want to take some drugs and make some gains, because we’re anabaholics and that’s fun to use.
I absolutely know I feel that way after every single blast. 4-8 weeks post blast, I am always running through random ideas for what I could take, with various potential justifications for why I should be experimenting with X combo suddenly, when the reality is it all comes back to this subconscious “get f*cking huge” mentality.
But then logic kicks in and I realize the best way to accomplish my goals isn’t just to start haphazardly taking a bunch of fast-acting hard hitting ****. I need to have a bigger plan, then figure out what best next moves me towards that, and then build cycle rough draft and diet around that.
The answer is Option 1, IMHO.
MrKleen73
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If the end goal is to get back down to fighting weight, I say push through with the cut, focus on cardio, and don't add any weight before the fight. The yoyo effect is going to be hard on your body anyway so the longer you maintain a lower body weight before the fight the better off you will be for the fight. The more you waiver on the goals of getting 100% for the fight the less important it actually seems to you from the outside looking in. We all know you can cut the weight with drastic measures but then you won't be 100. So I would say stay the course with the fight specific training until the fight which to me would mean no cycling to grow, just work on speed, training explosively and endurance. No need for cycling right now. You are already going to have to lose muscle to fight at 178 anyway. You have a lot of competing goals right now which have you spinning your wheels when you could be spending more time on specificity toward the main goal of being the fighter in the better condition incase it goes many rounds. You will be pissed at yourself if you get gassed and lose knowing you could have focused more on getting close to weight early pushing endurance and speed work.
That or say F the fight, get your bloods done and blast yourself into a big strong beast if that is what you really want to do. Either way I think picking one goal instead of trying to juggle so many of them with such limited time will help give you a sense of direction and the increased progress you will see training with specificity will be rewarding enough to remove some of the funk you are in and motivate you.
That or say F the fight, get your bloods done and blast yourself into a big strong beast if that is what you really want to do. Either way I think picking one goal instead of trying to juggle so many of them with such limited time will help give you a sense of direction and the increased progress you will see training with specificity will be rewarding enough to remove some of the funk you are in and motivate you.
Smont
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Fight didn't happen. Trained for months, went from 208 to 181 , was supposed to go to 178 but I stopped because the guy backed out he cracked a wisdom tooth or something in a sparring session. So I've kind of just been hanging tight since then.
I am dying to fight but I need to make sure I'm in shape for it because it's literally been 17 years since my last official fight. Unless you count a couple of bar scraps in my twenties LOL
Smont
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The last part is my problem. Always chasing rabbits.