Tr3st causing lethargy?
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Loneyboy
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lethargy for me as well in my first week of the same thing. just starting week 2 now, hopefully it improves
MrKleen73
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M.I.D Sexykunt Loneyboy
What doses are you all using and what are you doing as far as an AI? If you are crushing your estro you are defeating the purpose of running tr3st as a base. Also we have mentioned before that Tr3st does not convert to DHT which is also needed for it to be considered a true Test base replacement. Many feel great with just the TR3ST as a base however everyone is different and it depends on the cycle you are running and what the sides are known for. Please give me some info on your cycle and as far as doses of the TR3ST and other compounds as well as your AI of choice and what dose you are using it. I will do my best to help out since each person is different I can only make suggestions to help improve your experience. Please list all supports and research chems being used as well.
Piston Honda
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This is the worst username I've ever seen
Sexykunt
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I take 25mg oral tr3st an hour before workout and apply 75mg derma tr3st 30mins later after I shower on my forearms and inner biceps. 1 hr after that I apply 2 pumps of Formeron AI on my forearms and chest. Maybe you're right and the AI is killing too much estro, but that's the dose I've seen most logs use on cycle.
reps4jesus
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Lol at everyone who calls trest a test base. I have an idea, why not use testosterone as a ****ing test base.
Sexykunt
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Excuse me while I cry during my bench set.
Sexykunt
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I'd never used a topical before and had heard good things about it so I figured why not.
M.I.D
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25mg of trest in AM abd 50mgPWO. Taking half pump transform AM 1/2 PM. TUDCA, ARIMACARE PRO 4 caps a day. Furaza 300 - 300mg a day
MrKleen73
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I agree with your words but many are not willing to use illegal substances or at least ones that are considered a felony. They feel research chems are a gray area and as long as they are not seen administering them to humans they are correct.
That being said though... A lot of times people crush estro due to using to much of an AI or being shut down and have nothing to convert into estrogen which is a great source of lethargy. However since it is not testosterone to even truly mimic testosterone's effect you need something that converts to DHT as well as estrogen. The point is that if they are out of balance in a negative way the sides are simply still going to be there. Some people shut down way more easily than others and the DHT drops out of the equation far earlier. Not a good feeling. Also as you know trestolone is a 19-nor so if you are prone to shutting down quickly a 19-nor is going to drop you in the bucket that much faster.
As far as DMZ goes some people I know have run up to 800mgs of test and still gotten lethargy from DMZ. It is simply a very individual response. However I agree with you test is best when compared to the rest. Yet if staying legal trest can help a bit by providing some estrogen if they don't smother it out by being gyno scared and over dosing on an AI. Although to get the closest effect again something that converts into DHT or a DHT like compound is going to be needed to help as well.
@Sexyk did you just jump right in at 100mgs of trest a day? If so you should not do that. It is quite a strong compound and you might find you need far less for gains and definitely less to benefit from it aromatizing. I suggest you back it down to 75 or so and build it up if you need it. Second running 200mg a day of TransFORM when you don't even know how much you need is not a good idea. Each person is going to need a different amount because each person's body produces a certain amount of aromatase enzyme. Back that down to say 100 a day and if your nips start getting sensitive or itchy. If so then go up to 125 give it a couple days and if no improvement go to 150. Most people I have seen running it at 150 are big boys, EI not as lean (body fat is directly related to estrogen) or people who have built up the dose of trest over some time up to 150mgs or so but they did this over time.
Also experiencing lethargy in the 1st week is damn near unheard of to me except for people who convince themselves of everything they read. That isn't necessarily a bad trait because that also means you can get a killer placebo effect on top of everything else you take. On top of this your glycogen uptake is probably through the roof so if not extremely low car and high fat then you probably need to increase your carbs because some people think going a little hypo from lower blood sugar is lethargy but that is not the same thing.
There are a lot of things you did that could make the beginning of your cycle not so fun. I think you can back it down. Oh and if you or anyone in here is taking Prami for prolactin control make sure you take it at night because one side effect of it is extreme lethargy. Take it during the day and you are going to have a hard time staying awake.
MrKleen73
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M.I.D I recommend dropping the Transform to 50mg per day you are taking a very strong AI with the ARIMICARE pro at 4 caps a day that is 50mgs of the AI in it which is a big and effective dose for for the 75mgs of Tr3ST you are running per day. You may not even need the 50mg of TransFORM right now in all actuality, if you are not gyno prone you could drop it completely then add it back in only if you started noticing problems with your nipples.
Sexykunt
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Thanks, I'll go down to 75mg tr3st and half a pump of Formeron since I'm also running 4 caps of ARM1CAREPRO.
M.I.D
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Thank you! I'll give that a go!
reps4jesus
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maybe they should try tennis...no felony lol or they could possibly man up. Or get a prescription. all the advice I give I assume the user has a prescription for of course..
I think with all the ds out today, people forget what is most effective and safe. I really love some dmz, epi ect, but let's be real, gains aren't even in the same ballpark as aas. Just my opinion. I get a bit sick of reading yet another thread like this, Or another solo epi log lol, just pin test and gradually add compounds as you become more well versed with cycles, and when your progress stalls out, add an oral. I wish I had done that.
Loneyboy
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Don't think I mentioned this but I'm running DMZ as well, 30mg/day. I'm not saying Trest is causing the lethargy, and I do understand that oral Trest isn't the best as a test base because of the short half life.
As for supports and AI, I'm running transform at 1/2 pump 2x day, TUDCA at 750mg, Liv-52 at 4 caps a day, and orange triad at 6/day.
currently I'm using my Trest at 75mg/day, 50 pre and 25 during the morning. As a pre workout it's amazing, never seen pumps anything like this, an optimistic aggression and focus, and my strength is definitely increased.
Didn't mean to talk down about the product, if looking for a test base run transdermally, but I'm using as a pre and kinda a base and I love it. Hope that clears some confusion up lol.
M.I.D
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Thanks for the input but I do not want to pin, hence doing orals.
M.I.D
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How long you been running tr3st?? Its funny you say that because I feel absolutely nothing from running tr3st PWO @ 50mg
goodvibes
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reps4jesus - more power to ya for being able to "man up". We all get it, Test is the best test base that's why its called that in the first place. Some of us are just not ready for the real deal. For what reason? Then that depends to each person around this board. Can't talk for everyone since we all have our reasons.
Don't get me wrong though, you're one of the first person I'm going to PM if I need some advice on aas. Well experienced and actually helpful at times. Not helpful like mrkleen but still helpful. Your advice on ostarine actually got my ball rollin on finally giving anabolics a try. Yes i know it's weak stuff but I have to take baby steps.
MrKleen73 - hella cool of you for laying it out for them. You're a stand up dude (unless of course you're a rep for OL then that's like doing your job LOL)
Don't get me wrong though, you're one of the first person I'm going to PM if I need some advice on aas. Well experienced and actually helpful at times. Not helpful like mrkleen but still helpful. Your advice on ostarine actually got my ball rollin on finally giving anabolics a try. Yes i know it's weak stuff but I have to take baby steps.
MrKleen73 - hella cool of you for laying it out for them. You're a stand up dude (unless of course you're a rep for OL then that's like doing your job LOL)
MrKleen73
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I agree that safety wise injection cycles are far safer than most methylated compounds and oral solutions are not going to give the results you get from pinning. However there are a lot of reasons why people don't man up, or don't qualify for a prescription of test. I am on TRT now so I don't need a test base for anything. However I can not go on an injection based cycle because I would end up losing my wife and kids if I did. The wife has already made it quite clear so bigger muscles are not worth that loss to me.
Also I would love to take up tennis again. It is pretty fun. Not as fun as MMA and lifting but still a great game.
What we have here is people knowingly or I hope knowingly doing their best to feel a little bit better on cycle when they have no other options that fit into their personal scenario. I think you are a stand up guy and love your honesty and point blank attitude. I respect it but I still have to respect someone else who stands by their conviction not to pin if that is their desire. Of course cycles will not be as enjoyable as they would be if pinning. Hell I wish I could get away with it but I wont lie to the wife and she drew a line in the sand I choose not to cross.
Not running down the product from what I saw just asking the same question someone else did. Bottom line which is what Reps4Jesus is stressing is there really is no true substitute for testosterone, and when it comes to health injectable cycles are more healthy than methylated cycles. I don't really call TR3ST a test base unless others refer to it as such, what I would refer to it as in that aspect is that it can help to alleviate some of the symptoms of not having a test base on cycle. DMZ however can give you lethargy even if you are on crack. It is a great compound and one of my favorites but some get crazy lethargy on it regardless. On top of that you have to watch your blood sugar while on it because if you have carbs on it you need to have enough. Otherwise I like a higher fat diet when I am running it.
Thanks goodvibes, I am a rep for Olympus Labs but I am also definitely a stand up guy. I won't push things I don't believe in. I mention sides and try to get people to use doses of products adequate for them instead of pushing the highest dose on people so the company makes more money. I have always tried to help others who are in need. It is just part of who I am, and i appreciate that you noticed it. So again I say thank you!
crgsander
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Have you tried trest? not being a smartass
Loneyboy
Banned
I've been doing a lot of reading logs and research on the Tr3st and DMZ stack over the last few months, and everywhere I read Tr3st was said to be used to combat sides, including lethargy, and that it is a great substitute for a test base. That's just what I read from users, so I can see where people would get the misconception. I just recently found out that the half-life of oral trest is around 45 minutes and TD Tr3st is more around 8 hours, making it a much more stable basis.
Now, what the public says isn't always going to be correct, but when the same notions are repeated over and over, it starts to become the truth in the eyes of a beginner.
No matter though, we just have to try and spread the correct information now.
Now, what the public says isn't always going to be correct, but when the same notions are repeated over and over, it starts to become the truth in the eyes of a beginner.
No matter though, we just have to try and spread the correct information now.
Loneyboy
Banned
100% agree with everything here.
Loneyboy
Banned
If I'm running Tr3st at 75mg/ day, do you think 1 pump of Transform a day is too much to start with? A little cautious of backing it down, because like you said, I'm scared of Gyno.
MrKleen73
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Do you have any gyno currently? If not don't stress to much and keep your hands off your nipples. You mess with them they will get sensitive and compound your stress levels. One full pump is 100mg of formestane so i think that should be good at 75mg unless gyno sensitive. If you didn't get purbertal gyno or anything like that i think you are going to be safe with the 100mg to start with. If the nips get itchy, achy or noticeably puffy then increase the dose. Also if oral use the form a little prior to the oral administration. Not sure if the timing will indeed help but the oral is released so fast the concentration is high enough that you see more aromitzation.
My other suggestion if you are really afraid of gyno is to get some nolva / tamox and run this at 10mg a day and keep your doses of an AI down lower instead of going too high and crushing estro. You need some estro to grow and also to lose body fat efficiently. If you crush it you will not see the gains you would if you didn't. Nolva/Tamox binds specifically to breast tissue at a much higher affinity than estrogen can so it effectively keeps the estrogen from binding to the breast tissue.
Since you asked R4J if he has used it I will come right out and tell you I have not used our Tr3n or Tr3st products yet because I already have gyno that I have had since puberty. It flares up quickly with aromatizing compounds and is very sensitive to prolactin. So I have pharma grade caber and on the way and some TransFORM plus Adex if needed. So I will be running both of them shortly. However I have a complete understanding of how these products work. I have put a lot of research into them and definitely into controlling gyno. So my info is going to be solid in that aspect.
reps4jesus
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Lmao ask kleen then, if im not quite on his level.
I tell the truth, so "at times" people dont like it.
You say the real deal? How about this, hes using the real deal alright, anabolic ****in steroids. They dont come any more real. However, if you cant pin once or twice a week with a real testosterone base, do you really have any business using aas? Nope. Its not hard, and if its to scary, there is a nice thing people call "natty".
Pinning is much safer and effective than orals. Orals have their place. And some cycles are fine being all orals, but if your gonna complain about lethargy think about why your feeling it, and the choice you made that caused that side effect. Its really not hard, this **** is simple. And we get all these threads saying "im on solo m1t and I feel tired and have limp dick" .
goodvibes
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Swear I tried to understand what you're trying to say but it's really confusing. I think you're trying to reply to someone other than me. Anyways you have a good day sir