Tr1umph - Ultimate Gainz + Stacking Guide

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PRO USER GUIDE: TR1UMPH

INTRODUCTION:

We all know Tr1umph is an absolute ergogenic and anabolic BEAST. But in case you’ve been living under a rock and have not yet had the opportunity to learn how powerful it is, I’ll provide you with a nice little link below to catch up and you can thank me later:

Official Product Write-Up:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/olympus-labs/276351-q-olympus-labs.html

OR, if you happen to be feeling particularly lazy today, just read the following synopsis (TLDR):

Tr1umph is a game changing ergogenic and anabolic supplement that utilizes a number of science backed ingredients to increase endurance, reduce fatigue, improve focus, enhance recovery and aid in packing on lean mass.

Trr1umph accomplishes those feats by eliciting a variety of physiological pathways thru multiple MOAs covered below.

INGREDIENT BREAKDOWN:

Maximum Health and Well-Being Matrix:

1. Soy Lecithin

Soy lecithin has been used for ages to improve cognitive function, aid in cardiovascular health, and as an absorption enhancer. More recently, SL has been shown to also demonstrate various ergogenic properties, including the possibility of fat loss due to the high choline content.

a. Reduced LDL: A decrease in LDL-C has been noted with ingestion of SL to the degree of 42.05-56.15% in hypercholesterolemics.

b. Reduction in total cholesterol: A decrease in total cholesterol, mostly due to LDL-C, has been noted in the range of 40.66-42.00%.

c. Fat Loss: In a study with 19 healthy women, supplementation with choline and its effect on carnitine saturation in tissue resulted in enhanced fatty acid oxidation, fat mobilization and excretion of fat. It was ultimately concluded that these supplements shift tissue partitioning of carnitine that favors fat mobilization, incomplete oxidation of fatty acids and disposal of their carbons in urine as acylcarnitines in humans.

Maximum mTOR Activation & BMP Anabolism

1. Rhodiola Rosea

This little gem of a herb from the Crassulaceae family is a strong anti-fatigue and adaptogen agent. With some serious acute as well as cumulative benefits including:

a. Increased VO2 max and time to exhaustion (cycling test on athletes)
b. Reduced time to completion in cycling race
c. Reduced heart rate during: warm up
d. Enhanced cardiac performance and power output
e. Reduced perception of fatigue and stress
f. Improved cognitive function under stress

2. Stearoyl Vanillylamide

Better known as Capsaicin, or “that stuff that burns the heck out of your mouth and stomach.” But don’t worry, we don’t want you to get an ulcer.
In fact, Stearoyl vanillylamide is a naturally-occurring capsaicin analogue, and is the non-pungent/non-spicy version.

So as it pertains to the benefits of this little gem, that means all of the “gainz” with none of the “painz.” Let’s take a quick look at what we’re working with here…

a. Fat Burning: Clinical trials have shown that non-pungent capsaicin analogs can activate brown adipose tissue and increase energy expenditure via TRPV1 activation which stimulates the release of noradrenaline, a regulator of brown fat. Another analysis of 90 clinical trials found, involving 563 participants demonstrated that there were three key areas of potential benefit for weight management with capsaicin: (1) increased energy expenditure; (2) increased lipid oxidation and (3) reduced appetite.

b. mTOR Activating: Capsaicin is a transient receptor potential vanilloid 1 (TRPV1) agonist. So what you say? Well, via TRPV1 capsaicin has the ability to induce increases in Ca2+, which is required for activation of mTOR and subsequent muscle hypertrophy.


Maximum Ergogenic Ignition:

1. Creatine Hydrochloride

Not your father’s creatine..that’s for sure. Essentially, creatine HCL is simple creatine bound with a hydrochloric acid.
To make a long story short (and to save you a lesson in chemistry), let’s just say that this form of creatine is more acidic and thus more soluble (i.e. think better absorption).

This is why you only need 2.5g vs the traditional 5g of mono. And, as a result, you get fewer sides like bloating, water retention, and stomach upset.

2. Betaine

Pronounced “BEET-uh-een,” this diamond in the rough is also known as trimethylglycine or TMG. And, as you may have guessed from the pronunciation, it is indeed found in (**DRUM ROLL**) beets. Betaine can boost protein synthesis, decrease cortisone levels, improve strength and enhance endurance.

a. A Univ. of Conn. Study showed that athletes supplementing with betaine increased muscle strength by 25% and power by 20%, coinciding with increased protein synthesis.

b. A College of Springfield Mass. study showed that weight trained males supplementing with betaine increased muscle mass by 4lbs and decreased bf by 7lbs over a 6wk period

3. LCLT (L-Carnitine L-Tartrate)

A superior form of carnitine known to improve performance, work capacity and power, whilst also improving fatty acid oxidation. Can’t ask for more than that.
a. Single dose 90 min pre workout improves fatty acid metabolism
b. Increases HDL and lowers LDL when taken before aerobic activity
c. When taken pre-workout can improve sprint power and work capacity

Maximum Energy, Endurance, Focus and Recovery Ignition

1. L-Alanine

a. L-alanine is a non-essential amino acid found primarily in poultry, beef, pork and fish. L-Alanine plays a major role in transferring nitrogen from tissue to the liver, and is utilized by the body to draw upon blood sugar as an energy source.

b. Regulating Insulin: Because alanine has been shown to aid in regulating insulin, Individuals suffering from insulin insensitivity, may benefit from supplementing with alanine.

c. Prostate Health: Alanine is also known to contribute to prostate health.

d. Recovery: When combined with L-glutamine, has been shown to have a synergistic positive effect on muscle recovery

2. L-Glutamine

Glutamine is a naturally occurring, conditionally essential amino acid found in dietary protein. And by conditional, I mean the conditions under which you WORK YOUR *** OFF, or, rather under prolonged periods of intense physical activity.

If you don’t experience periods of prolonged, drenched in sweat, energy sucking physical activity, then I suggest you turn in your “demi-god” card at the door and sign up for the nearest ballet class (no offence to ballet practitioners intended).

a. Power Output: Shown to improve power output (squat, bench, and leg extension) and markers of body composition (lean mass) in resistance trained individuals.

b. Muscle Preservation: shown to inhibit protein breakdown in rat skeletal muscle.

c. In professional football players, supplementation reduced serum increases in ammonia in response to exercise and protects against exercise-induced hyperammonemia

3. ElevATP

This patented blend of plant-derived inorganic microelements and apple polyphenols might sound like a hippie juicer’s green smoothie dream come true, but it’s anything but.

ElevATP has been shown to increase endogenous whole blood ATP levels in healthy human subjects, leading to improved performance, strength and output.

a. A single dose of elevATP™ increased whole blood levels of ATP by 40% after 60 minutes and by 28% after 120 min versus baseline, pre-supplementation levels

b. Reduced Fatigue: Oral ATP supplementation has been shown to improve 1RM by 6.6% and repetitions to fatigue during set 1 of post testing by 18.5%, as well as increasing total lifting volume post administration by 22%.

4. Alpha-GPC

Alpha-GPC is a Choline-containing supplement that can be found in a variety of food products. It is often used for its cognitive enhancing properties (where was this when I was in 12th grade algebra), as well as for enhanced power output.

a. Increased Power: In men with at least two years of resistance training given Alpha-GPC 45 minutes prior to simulated bench throws, supplementation was associated with a greater exercise-induced growth hormone increase and 14% improved power output.

b. Improved Cognition: One study demonstrated an increase in attention and reaction time in persons undergoing acute stress (such as may occur during workouts).

Dose Timing: acute benefits

There are a number of dose protocols you can implement with Tr1umph. And while all will be effective to a degree, there are ways to optimize dosing in order to take full advantage of peak acute benefits that can be timed around your workouts.

And let’s face it, who doesn’t want a little extra pep in their step, power in their tower, boost in their juice….well, you get the point.

Now on to the fun part; actually using Tr1umph.

Considering what we’ve learned above, and averaging out optimal time-schemes to reach maximum efficacy of the included ingredients, OL has recommended the following:

1-Hour Pre-Workout dosing as likely the most effective

I would like to consider myself well versed in the use of SL, PA, and other included ingredients. Over time I’ve played with a plethora of dosing schemes and have developed the following based off of my “personal” experience and rooted in my knowledge of the ingredients at hand:

If I had to (personally) rank the effectiveness of dosing schemes I would say:

#1: Pre + Post workout split
This one is for “advanced users.” In an attempt to extend mTOR and associated protein synthesis I would use 1 dose 1 hr pre workout and 1 dose 1-2 hours post workout.

#2: Pre-workout
One dose 1hr pre-workout. Can be mixed with your pre-workout drink if desired.

#3: ½ Dose Split
For those who experience any bloating or stomach issues, or who are too “fluid heavy” from pre-workouts and intras, dosing can be split to ½ a serving pre-workout and ½ a serving post workout.

#4. Post workout
Simple. 1 dose immediately post workout.

#5: Random time of the day dose
The ingredients in Tr1umph WILL WORK to improve various metabolic markers and physical performance even if taken away from a workout. However, for best results it would be advisable to take as close to a workout as possible.

Of the aforementioned dosing protocols, there will not be much variance between #2 and #3, but a significantly larger increase in benefits from #1, and a significantly larger decrease in benefits from #5.


What to Expect When Expecting…Expecting GAINZ that is!

You know the ingredients. You know the dose timing. You’ve got your scoop ready and your OL shaker bottle in hand…but what’s next?

When Cutting:

Tr1umph is an outstanding cutting aid, and when each serving tastes like desert, it almost feels like a cheat meal itself. P.S. Anyone up for some frozen Tr1umph ice cream or frozen milkshake? I know I am!

Tips and Expectations -

• Adaptogens aid in combating physiological & psychological stress of reduced calories
• Nootropics and adaptogens aid in improving mood and reducing stress and cortisol
• Alpha GPC, creatine HCL, Betaine and elevATP aid in maintaining strength and power
• elevATP and SL vastly improve endurance while on a caloric deficit as well as aiding in fuller muscles and nitrogen retention to combat feeling “flat.”
• mTOR activation and BMP anabolism help maintain muscle mass while on a caloric restriction
• Be sure to include the 105 calories into your daily caloric allowance

On a Recomp –

Executing a successful recomp may indeed be one of the hardest things to do in the bodybuilding arena. With a goal of losing body fat whilst simultaneously increasing lean mass ever so slightly, it is no wonder most of us fail. But have no fear, Tr1umph from OL is here!

Tips and Expectations -

• SL (choline), Stearoyl Vanillylamide, Betaine, LCLT and L-Alanine all aid in fat loss
• mTOR activation and BMP anabolism work to increase lean muscle mass on minimal calories
• Alpha GPC, creatine HCL, Betaine and elevATP aid in maintaining strength and power
• elevATP and SL vastly improve endurance as well as aiding in fuller muscles and nitrogen retention
• Adaptogens ensure the body is less stressed and able to better adapt to physical stressors on less calories without burning thru muscle mass

Bulking:

Who doesn’t like a good bulk? I know I do. It’s that time of the year when we can loosen those belts, forget about abs for a while, and indulge in that extra slice of pizza or morning doughnut.

However, we still want to ensure we are doing everything we can to convert those extra calories to muscle and NOT fat. This is where Tr1umph can help.

Tips and Expectations -

• Alpha GPC, creatine HCL, Betaine and elevATP boost strength and power, resulting in more volume per session
• mTOR activation and BMP anabolism work to utilize those extra calories to increase lean muscle mass
• elevATP and SL vastly improve endurance, leading to more volume and intense sessions
• SL (choline), Stearoyl Vanillylamide, Betaine, LCLT and L-Alanine all aid preventing additional fat gain



Here’s what to look out for during your cycle (regardless of goals):

Tr1umph Days 1-5:
a. Improved mood, focus and reduced anxiety from the adaptogens and noots
b. Slight improvements in strength and power output
c. Slight improvements in endurance
d. Beginning of muscle fullness

Tr1umph Days 6-14
a. Continued focus and mood improvement after dosing
b. Minor but notable improvement in strength
c. Moderate improvement in endurance
d. Continual improvement in muscle fullness
d. Increase in weight gain of 2-5lbs (nitrogen/glycogen retention)
*may not apply if on a low/no carb and/or high caloric restriction diet

Tr1umph Days 15+
a. Continued focus and mood improvement after dosing
b. Mild continual improvement in strength
c. Steady improvement in endurance
d. Muscle fullness reaching a peak by day 21
e. Increase in LBM over time
f. Improved vascularity

Olympus Stacking Options:

Cutting Stack -

• Ign1te
• EU
• Endur3

This combination screams ENDURANCE and STAMINA while whilst MELTING FAT faster than snow in July!!

Ign1te really gets the gears rolling, burning fat, suppressing appetite and improving overall mood. Endure ensures you retain maximal muscle whilst in a deficit and helps your body adapt to stress. And EU, improves insulin sensitivity, leading to greater nutrient partitioning effects while simultaneously enhancing endurance and work capacity.

Bulking Stack -

• Test1fy
• Or1gin
• DSU or SU

The ultimate Demi-God stack for bulking! Skip leg day on this one and your legs will no doubt buckle under all the stress from the increased mass.

Test1fy works to improve your hormonal profile AND contains powerful natural anabolic agents to give you a 1-2 punch in belly that you’re about to turn into a six pack. Or1gin is pinnacle of natural anabolic innovation! Increased Igf-1, GH, and MUCH MORE. Combine that with DSU/SU for increased protein synthesis and nutrient partitioning and you’ve got yourself a stack most can only dream of.

Recomp Stack

• EU
• DSU/SU
• CU
*Add in Ign1te as needed

Recomping is HARD. But it’s a heck of a lot easier when you’ve got OL on your side. EU works to increase endurance while improving insulin sensitivity. Combine that with the nutrient partitioning and increased protein synthesis from DSU/SU and you’ll need to add a new word to your vocabulary: “Roadmap vascularity.”

But, let’s not forget about the icing on the cake…good old CU! A solid standard to increase pumps, reduce mental fatigue, achieve laser like focus, and gain the endurance of an Olympic athlete.

Speaking of endurance………

Endurance Stack

• EU
• CU
• Endur3+

(-)epi has been scientifically proven to increase work capacity and improve endurance. One of the key attributes most report with EU is the ability to reduce rest time and increase workload. Endur3+ provides the essential hydration, electrolytes and fuel to keep you going hours on end, while at the same time preventing muscle waste and mental fatigue.

CU also aids greatly in improving endurance and work capacity while providing the sustained energy and focus needed to get the job done.

MISC STACKS:

OL in their infinite wisdom designed each supplement in such a way that most of them can be stacked together with great synergy. Below I’ll drop a few generic (no specific goal) stacks that will enhance overall performance and physical appearance.

• Tr1umph + DSU/SU
• Tr1umph + EU
• Tr1umph + Testify
• Tr1umph + Ign1te
• Tr1umph + Endur3 (or Endur3+)
• Tr1umph + Endur3 (or Endur3+) + CU

Tr1umph Misc Q&A…..

Here are some of the most frequently asked questions I get:

1. Can I make an actual dreamscicle out of Tr1umph Orange Creamsicle?
Ok, ok, no one has actually asked me this…but they should have! Tr1umph tastes SOOOO good. And while I was half joking here, I would bet the bank that Tr1umph would make an OUTSTANDING frozen treat as ice cream, a frozen milk shake, or pop-cycle.

2. Can I take Tr1umph with my pre-workout?
YES, no problem. It stacks well with CU too : )

3. Do I need any extra creatine?
NO. Creatine hydrocholoride is a superior form of creatine and is able to achieve saturation in your body with a dose of 2.5g/day vs the traditional 5g creatine mono.

4. Is it ok to take caffeine with Tr1umph?
Not only is it “ok,” it will have great synergy with the included adaptogens.

5. Do I need to count the calories in my macros?
Yes. But its only 105 cals so it should be easy to fit it in. And no, SL won’t make you fat. But it could if you consistently forget to count those calories every day.

6. What about soy and estrogen?
Not an issue. SL likely doesn’t contain the type of phytoestrogens that some worry about in things like soy protein. Even if it had phytoestrogens, the amount of soy ingested with Tr1umph is too small to reach any physiological significance.

*a reputable member of this forum had bloodwork done while on 4tbsp of SL per day and had ZERO change in his E numbers.

7. Should I cycle Tr1umph?
In general I’m a fan of cycling products/ingredients…but, Tr1umph was designed to be a “daily” ergogenic supplement. There is nothing wrong with making Tr1umph a staple used most of the year.

8. What other products stack well with Tr1umph?
My absolute favorite natty stack right now is Ep1c UL + CU + DSU + Tr1umph.

All of those products work together in a very synergistic way, hitting and amplifying MANY pathways involved in protein synthesis, metabolic markers and fat reduction.

If you want to go the natty “hormonal” route vs natty anabolics, then I would stack Tr1umph with Test1fy and/or possibly LJ100

9. Can I (or should I) add extra SL granuals?

Very good question. You “can” if you would like. However, Tr1umph includes more than the scientifically supported amount for ergogenic purposes.

Additionally, new feedback from the scientists conducting research on the components of SL shows that while more is better, the curve demonstrates diminishing returns. Meaning you can’t double the effectiveness by doubling the dose.

Lastly, you’ll want to account for any additional calories in your diet for added SL if you choose to do so.

As much as I like talking to myself, I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING WITH ALL OF YOU!

So PLEASE continue to ask questions, provide feedback or suggestions, tips, tricks, or results you’ve had using the products.

Annnnd, GO!



REFERENCES:

De Bock K, et al. Acute Rhodiola rosea intake can improve endurance exercise performance. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. (2004)

Noreen EE, et al The Effects of an Acute Dose of Rhodiola Rosea on Endurance Exercise Performance . J Strength Cond Res. (2012)

Noreen EE, et al The Effects of an Acute Dose of Rhodiola rosea on Endurance Exercise Performance . J Strength Cond Res. (2013)

Xu J, Li YEffects of salidroside on exhaustive exercise‑induced oxidative stress in rats. Mol Med Rep. (2012)

Nonpungent capsaicin analogs (capsinoids) increase energy expenditure through the activation of brown adipose tissue in humans. - PubMed - NCBI

Capsaicinoids and capsinoids. A potential role for weight management? A systematic review of the evidence. - PubMed - NCBI

Shin KO et al. J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 2007 Apr;53(2):124-32. Alterations of autonomic nervous activity and energy metabolism by capsaicin ingestion during aerobic exercise in healthy men.

Maresh, CM, et al. The effects of betaine supplementation on strength and power performance. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise 39(5 suppl.): S304, 2007.

Hoffman JR, et al. Effect of betaine supplementation on power performance and fatigue. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2009 Feb 27;6:7.

Lee EC, et al. Ergogenic effects of betaine supplementation on strength and power performance. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2010 Jul 19;7:27.

Pryor JL, Craig SA, Swensen T. Effect of betaine supplementation on cycling sprint performance. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2012 Apr 3;9(1):12.

Czapla, R., et al. Effect of betaine on cycling sprint power. J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2010 Apr;7(Suppl 1):p23.

Effects of Acute Consumption of L-Carnitine Tartrate (LCLT) Following an Exhaustive Aerobic Exercise on Serum Lipoproteins Levels in Iranian Elite Wrestlers

Jacobs PL, et al. Glycine propionyl-L-carnitine produces enhanced anaerobic work capacity with reduced lactate accumulation in resistance trained males . J Int Soc Sports Nutr. (2009)

Rennie, Michael J. (1999). Physical Exertion, Amino Acid and Protein Metabolism, and Protein Requirements. Protein and Amino Acids. Washington, DC: National Academy Press. pp. 243-253

L. Brennan, A. Shine, C. Hewage, J.P.G. Malthouse, K.M. Brindle, N. McClenaghan, P.R. Flatt and P. Newsholme. (2002) "A NMR based demonstration of substantial oxidative L-alanine metabolism and L-alanine enhanced glucose metabolism in a clonal pancreatic b-cell line - Metabolism of L-alanine is important to the regulation of insulin secretion." Diabetes, 51, 1714

Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. - PubMed - NCBI

Glutamine protects against increases in blood ammonia in football players in an exercise intensity-dependent way. - PubMed - NCBI

THE EFFECT OF ELEVATP

Effects of oral ATP supplementation on anaerobic power and muscular strength. - PubMed - NCBI

Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to, and peak force production during, resistance exercise | Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full Text

Hoffman JR, et al The effects of acute and prolonged CRAM supplementation on reaction time and subjective measures of focus and alertness in healthy college students . J Int Soc Sports Nutr. (2010)
 
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Awesome information brotha! Can't wait for the new flavors kboxer7
 
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Also looking forward to this Or1gin you speak of
 
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Awesome information brotha! Can't wait for the new flavors kboxer7
Soon....VERY VERY VERY soon ; )

Which flavor are you most excited about?

EDIT!!!!!!


Tr1umph sale going on tomorrow!!!!

+++++For every 3 purchases you get a FREE HYDRO3
 
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Also looking forward to this Or1gin you speak of
You and me both man!

Or1gin is going to be crazy good. So versatile for stacking too. Almost no situation I can think of where Or1gin wouldn't be a solid add in.
 
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I'm stoked about Cherry Berry :) Hoping it's gonna be amazing but I'm sure it will be
Good choice. I haven't had any of the new flavors yet, but I have HIGH hopes.
 
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subbed. Will be looking to include this on my upcoming recomp
 
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Tell me more about this Or1gin... I'm all about the GH and IGF-1 these days.
 
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Tell me more about this Or1gin... I'm all about the GH and IGF-1 these days.
I don't want to make any direct comparisons....but lets just say it is expected to be as, or close to as, potent as some "stronger" options out there ; )
 
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I don't want to make any direct comparisons....but lets just say it is expected to be as, or close to as, potent as some "stronger" options out there ; )
Now that your balls are blue he's gonna tickle your sack and just when you can't handle anymore teasing he'll give ya what you want.
 

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Very nice guide, kboxer7! This is high quality information here!
 
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Another natty alternative ?
You asking about Orig1n?

It'll be natty for sure. Novel, but with solid science behind it. And it'll stack with basically anything. I can see it being a favorite add in to PCT as well.
 
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You asking about Orig1n?

It'll be natty for sure. Novel, but with solid science behind it. And it'll stack with basically anything. I can see it being a favorite add in to PCT as well.
Is it the kind of thing that might amplify effects of other GH-boosting products or peptides?
 
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I Need to get the BERRY CHERRY!!!! Looks so good
Yes, yes it does.

I'm also pretty excited for Straw Banana. Thinking I might add in a breakfast dose of that.
 
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Is it the kind of thing that might amplify effects of other GH-boosting products or peptides?
Hmm...It will be 100% effective on its own and has other novel pathways besides any focused on GH/IGF, though you do raise a good question.

Right now I can't disclose any more details than that. But keep an eye out as we'll be disclosing more very soon.
 
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"3. ElevATP
This patented blend of plant-derived inorganic microelements and apple polyphenols might sound like a hippie juicer’s green smoothie dream come true, but it’s anything but."

Niiice.
 
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"3. ElevATP
This patented blend of plant-derived inorganic microelements and apple polyphenols might sound like a hippie juicer’s green smoothie dream come true, but it’s anything but."

Niiice.
Thank you good sir!

Tried to throw a bit of humor in there to lighten the mood haha!
 
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Olympus labs...you are doing big things!
 
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You take 2 servings on non workout days as well?

8g fat x 9kcal= 72kcal + 1g carbs = 76kcal. Where does the rest kcal come from in tr1umph?
 
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You take 2 servings on non workout days as well?

8g fat x 9kcal= 72kcal + 1g carbs = 76kcal. Where does the rest kcal come from in tr1umph?
Sorry about the late reply man. Your math is correct, however, iirc it is the phosphatides that account for the additional cals.

You'll notice Fearns and Optima SL granuals both have that same issue on the labeling (i.e. 15g fearns is 105 cals even though it should only be 76 cals based on fat and carb macros).

As for non-workout days it is still best to take a full serving to aid in repair on your day off. However, it wouldn't be the end of the world if you cut the dose in 1/2 or skipped it altogether 1-2 days a week.
 

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Sorry about the late reply man. Your math is correct, however, iirc it is the phosphatides that account for the additional cals.

You'll notice Fearns and Optima SL granuals both have that same issue on the labeling (i.e. 15g fearns is 105 cals even though it should only be 76 cals based on fat and carb macros).

As for non-workout days it is still best to take a full serving to aid in repair on your day off. However, it wouldn't be the end of the world if you cut the dose in 1/2 or skipped it altogether 1-2 days a week.
Ah, I see. So should I just add 8g fat for each serving of Tr1umph or 15 g fearns in my calorie tracker? ? the latter would be more fat then 8g fat that is listed on Tr1umph though.

I am not going to take a half serving or skip it on non-workout days. 1-2 full servings was what I meant. :)
but as you have written in the guide you recommend 1 serving pre and 1 post workout for the "advanced user", do you recommend the same on non-workout days as well in that scenario?
 
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Ah, I see. So should I just add 8g fat for each serving of Tr1umph or 15 g fearns in my calorie tracker? ? the latter would be more fat then 8g fat that is listed on Tr1umph though.

I am not going to take a half serving or skip it on non-workout days. 1-2 full servings was what I meant. :)
but as you have written in the guide you recommend 1 serving pre and 1 post workout for the "advanced user", do you recommend the same on non-workout days as well in that scenario?
Yes sir. Add in 8g total of fat macros to your calorie tracker, BUT also make sure to include a total of 105 calories. I know that is strange, but you are indeed ingesting 105 total calories with a serving of Tr1umph.

If, because of how the tracker works, you have to attribute those extra calories to something, just add in 3 more grams of fat into the tracker.
That will put you at 103 calories total (which is good enough in my book).

As for Tr1umph on "off days," I like one morning and one late afternoon or PM dose. If you happen to not be too beat up from the previous day, you can do 1 scoop in the AM instead to extend the tub. Really just depends on how intense you are training and if you are overarching.

Hope that helps clarify a few things man.

Keep me posted on how things go for you on Tr1umph.
 
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Lots of good info here ! Got a bottle for when I start pct from current cycle but honestly think it's a new staple in my supps cabinet!
 
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Lots of good info here ! Got a bottle for when I start pct from current cycle but honestly think it's a new staple in my supps cabinet!
Thanks man. I'm glad you got some value from the write-up.

Tr1umph is one heck of a natty anabolic cocktail for sure. Great in PCT and any bridges between cycles.
 
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I'm finding it great in PCT, working well with current stack allowing for me to maintain and even increase strength post cycle to keep progressing.
 

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