hardknock
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Yes interesting in that though the makers have mentioned liver stress and lipid issues, I have had neither in 3 runs.
Post pct bloodwork has confirmed it on 3 occassions with two different labs.
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Yes interesting in that though the makers have mentioned liver stress and lipid issues, I have had neither in 3 runs.
Post pct bloodwork has confirmed it on 3 occassions with two different labs.
hardknock
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Another cliff jumper. leap before you look.
celc5
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Too young too
This link is to the Fareston (Torem) website. It compares torem to tamox.
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and elevated standard liver tests (26.2% vs 23.7%), respectively.
The first measure is for torem, the second is for tamox... sure looks like the toxicity comparison isn't as dramaticly friendly as brotologists commonly say on the boards.
matthias7
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^^^ worrying.
The point made earlier is torem more toxic because of the higher dosage 90mg vs. 20mg.
Dunno but the rumour was always that it is prostrate friendly, which is attractive considering how much hammer the prostrate has to go through on cycle.
Action points:
1. This calls for a more careful look at Clomid and exactly what the sides are as well as the long term problems.
2. Another look at the studies claiming torem assisted prostrate
The point made earlier is torem more toxic because of the higher dosage 90mg vs. 20mg.
Dunno but the rumour was always that it is prostrate friendly, which is attractive considering how much hammer the prostrate has to go through on cycle.
Action points:
1. This calls for a more careful look at Clomid and exactly what the sides are as well as the long term problems.
2. Another look at the studies claiming torem assisted prostrate
matthias7
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wrong thread really.
1. Thread is about torem vs. clomid/tamox /(letro - not mentioned)
2. its about toxicity
3. 3 week cycle :dunno:
Young Gotti
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looked through this thread, also search, i didn't see it in here but i could have missed it, torem vs tamox for gyno only issues, weather it's to prevent gyno during pct, stop gyno while on cycle, reduce any puffyness that may occur, which one is preferred
celc5
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This is just my general opinion... for ON cycle gyno, an AI should take care of it. The serm is more of a preventive measure to block the estrogen receptor WHILE estrogen levels are balancing out in pct.
IME the AI would reduce puffiness faster.
And finally, theoretically, torem and tamox should work by about the same mechanism to selectively bind to breast tissue. I dunno that there's as much reported feedback on toremefine reducing gyno, but there certainly is a lot of feedback that nolva does at least help.
Also, not sure how old you are. Learning is fine, but be sure not to dabble with steroids before age 21. When that time comes, you'll be all the more informed and you might even decide that this game isn't necessary.
IME the AI would reduce puffiness faster.
And finally, theoretically, torem and tamox should work by about the same mechanism to selectively bind to breast tissue. I dunno that there's as much reported feedback on toremefine reducing gyno, but there certainly is a lot of feedback that nolva does at least help.
Also, not sure how old you are. Learning is fine, but be sure not to dabble with steroids before age 21. When that time comes, you'll be all the more informed and you might even decide that this game isn't necessary.
Young Gotti
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yeah i've read about nolva helping stop the gyno in it's tracks, not reducing it unless ran for months on end which i don't think is a very good idea....theres still not a huge amount of info when it comes to this...i have only read one kid reducing puffyness with torem but other than that haven't found to much info...thanks for the input
delsolrob
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I got some bunk nolva from a research chem site and ended up struggling with gyno for a couple months. I was able to kill my gyno using legit nolva...went from a mass about as big around as a silver dollar (and PAINFUL) to not even being able to find a pepple now.
I will forever have legit nolva tabs on hand from now on! This was last summer, I'm trying to remember the dosing protocol I used. if I remember correctly the pain went down very quickly (within a week or so), pain was completely gone after 2 weeks and mass was completely gone by week 6.
I hope the situation doesn't occur again, but I'd be interested to see how Torem does in a similar scenario. it sucked not being able to enjoy a drink for most of the summer!
I will forever have legit nolva tabs on hand from now on! This was last summer, I'm trying to remember the dosing protocol I used. if I remember correctly the pain went down very quickly (within a week or so), pain was completely gone after 2 weeks and mass was completely gone by week 6.
I hope the situation doesn't occur again, but I'd be interested to see how Torem does in a similar scenario. it sucked not being able to enjoy a drink for most of the summer!
LAGear
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I tried to PM you but your box is full.
Would you PM me and tell me where you ordered the bunk nolva from? I have some torem and want to make sure I didn't order from the same place.
TIA
Dragon13
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x2, would like to know as well. I have some stuff on hand that I want to be sure is problem-free.