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Toremifene (fareston) - for Dr.D and others

Oh man, you girls have it bad. lol. I felt pretty good on Torm but I didn't have the crazy good libido part..mainly I think because I have done two 4ad/19 nor cycles in a row so the nandrolone is just killing my mojo. Sucks, but that is the nature of the deca-like beast.
 
bioman said:
Oh man, you girls have it bad. lol. I felt pretty good on Torm but I didn't have the crazy good libido part..mainly I think because I have done two 4ad/19 nor cycles in a row so the nandrolone is just killing my mojo. Sucks, but that is the nature of the deca-like beast.
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Ok, ok, I'll suck it up and be a man for you bio. (lol) Grrrrrrrrr!! I'm back now! I love deca, too bad about the mojo thing though. It's a trip because the first few weeks on it, I'm super horny, then it just get's sad after that. Were you using any other libido support?
 
What is this, Young and the Restless. :icon_lol: . As far as the mistresses are concerned, I plead the Fifth.
 
Oh hey man, you can show your sensitive side..I'm certainly not judging anyone. I know how the moody thing goes..belieeeeeve me. lol

I did use fenu, Powerfull, 7OXO dermal and occassional maca and horny goat weed/catauba/trib caps I mixed up but it barely made any difference. I was still totally functional, but there certainly was no fire in the belly. I imagine it's from the nandro blocking up a lot of receptors. Mojo is getting better day by day. I'm at week 5 of PCT and just cruising at 10 mg of nolva. Nolva seems to dampen my libido as well so I'm just using a tiny amount to keep estrogen down a little. Everthing else seems fully recovered but nipples do get a tad puffy if I go off of the serm..I tried to end last week but got a small rebound.

Mood wise, I did seem to fair better on Torm..this synthetic astrogen seemed to agree with me better or maybe it's because it got my test levels up so fast. The Powerfull probably helped in that respect as well.
 
bioman said:
Oh hey man, you can show your sensitive side..I'm certainly not judging anyone. I know how the moody thing goes..belieeeeeve me. lol

I did use fenu, Powerfull, 7OXO dermal and occassional maca and horny goat weed/catauba/trib caps I mixed up but it barely made any difference. I was still totally functional, but there certainly was no fire in the belly. I imagine it's from the nandro blocking up a lot of receptors. Mojo is getting better day by day. I'm at week 5 of PCT and just cruising at 10 mg of nolva. Nolva seems to dampen my libido as well so I'm just using a tiny amount to keep estrogen down a little. Everthing else seems fully recovered but nipples do get a tad puffy if I go off of the serm..I tried to end last week but got a small rebound.

Mood wise, I did seem to fair better on Torm..this synthetic astrogen seemed to agree with me better or maybe it's because it got my test levels up so fast. The Powerfull probably helped in that respect as well.
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Yeah, Im using some Fenu, and trib myself. I also just finished my bottle of activate, and am still working on some lean extreme, some Retain and my GH. (along w/ the torm and the ATD). Wanted to get some powerfull too, but was just spending to much money on my GH. So now Im trying to spend as little as possible. But I might cave in and get more Torm, cuz I dont really want to switch to nolva, the Torm is the best, despite the sensetivity part.My libido is normal. And I just try to figure out how to direct all those feelings into something positive ya know. Sometimes I even like the feelings. Makes me feel alive. ... Or Somethin.
 
I know the feeling..it's like you've woken up to your emotions after ignoring them for a long time. I think sping time has that effect as well as the nervous and endocrine systems really get cranking this time of year.
 
bioman said:
I know the feeling..it's like you've woken up to your emotions after ignoring them for a long time. I think sping time has that effect as well as the nervous and endocrine systems really get cranking this time of year.
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This thread is really entertaining. I just check up on it everynow and then, and everytime, something new. You f-in weirdos, haha.
 
bioman said:
I know the feeling..it's like you've woken up to your emotions after ignoring them for a long time. I think sping time has that effect as well as the nervous and endocrine systems really get cranking this time of year.
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Yep. Its like those things were there all along and youre just coming to awareness of them. All the relationship drama allready existed and now its just hitting me much harder. Hence, thats why I sometimes refer to it as "the drama queen phase" of PCT. Lol.
 
Now that everybody has mentioned it, I have noticed the birds are singing a little more lovely, lately.
 
matt212 said:
Now that everybody has mentioned it, I have noticed the birds are singing a little more lovely, lately.
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Finally, a thread on this board that addresses my emotional needs! Words can't describe how I am feeling...I have to stop typing now ...I've got something in my eye(sniff,sniff)...I promised myself I wasn't gonna do this anymore...

I hope I can return to my normal state of stoic emotional repression soon!
 
There's nothing wrong with bottling it all up as long as they don't find those hitchhikers in your basement. :thumbsup:
 
not_big_enuf said:
listen you homos... anyone touches me and I start :saw:

MUCH LUV

not_big_enuf :hammer:
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Hey enuf, have you ever had that feeling that.... you know, you just didn't feel fresh. :icon_lol:
 
Sorry to interrupt the gathering of hormonal lifters, but, assuming I can source this as a bulk powder - what carrier solution is best to use?

EDIT : before I get hit with the Use Search hammer, I found it and will be using olive oil for the first batch
 
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I didnt even know you could get Toremefene as a bulk powder.

BTW My last bottle was underfilled so good old IBE threw in an extra free bottle.:)
 
Sometimes it helps to be in Europe but they do ship globally. Unfortunately they aren't a board sponsor so I won't risk an angry clown :run:
 
since reading this thread i've seen the dose vary from 30 mg 120 mg. If i run this stuff instead of nolva what would be the minimum does needed to effectively work. In other words i can't
afford to be a winey b****! I just want it to do its job. Also I take lexapro for depression will mixing these pose any negative sides.

Thanxs
 
For PCT... well, depends how long you'll be running your PCT.

For a 4-weeker...

3-5 days at 120
7-10 at 90
7 at 60
7 at 30

That should do the trick. The stuff is FAST acting, so the 120 dosage is a jumpstart....

If it's a 6-week PCT, lengthen the period a little...

ripped22 said:
since reading this thread i've seen the dose vary from 30 mg 120 mg. If i run this stuff instead of nolva what would be the minimum does needed to effectively work. In other words i can't
afford to be a winey b****! I just want it to do its job. Also I take lexapro for depression will mixing these pose any negative sides.

Thanxs
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UnicronSpawn said:
Are you wanting to use it for PCT? or for gyno protection?
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I'm extremely interested in both. Is it possible to run it during cycle at say about 30mg EDs and then use it all the way through PCT?
 
Rage (SoCal) said:
I'm extremely interested in both. Is it possible to run it during cycle at say about 30mg EDs and then use it all the way through PCT?
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Yes, or maybe even lower than 30mg's. If you feel that gyno could be a real threat.
Personally though Im from the school of thought that feels that SERMS should be limited to an "as needed basis". Meaning that unless obvious gyno symptoms become very prominent. (Meaning worse than just a little droopy around the nipple or an inside-out nipple) then I would hold out on using my SERM while on cycle unless it stayed that way for days or seemed to get worse. Even then I'll ussually just do one dose one time only, and see if it persists. Alot of times it doesnt. The reason I feel this way is because I used to be one of those guys that takes a big dose of a SERM every time my mind tricked me into thinking I had even the slightest gyno symptom. Subsequently limiting the cycle's effectiveness, and many people say that some SERMS can actually perpetuate early gyno symptoms if drastically overused (in frequency and dose). However, I've yet to learn If toremifene fall's into that catagory.
But if you have symptoms then dont hesitate to take the Torm, in that case you could probably dose around 60mg or even 120mg's a day until the symptoms subside. But if youre really set on just taking it daily as a precatutionary measure and not to treat symptoms, Id feel that the most youd want to take would be 15-30mg's a day while on cycle. Not because of the side effects, but because of the cost.
 
after 5 days of Toremefine, I was getting busy with my woman like a champion all over again.

7 month cycle btw. Ubi like.
 
Ubiquitous said:
after 5 days of Toremefine, I was getting busy with my woman like a champion all over again.

7 month cycle btw. Ubi like.
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7 months? I love this guy! Your recovery sounds great so far.
 
Dr. D what would be the clearance times for Toremifene, Nolva, and ATD been searchin but can't find anything would appreciate it, thanks
 
Needle**** said:
Dr. D what would be the clearance times for Toremifene, Nolva, and ATD been searchin but can't find anything would appreciate it, thanks
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ATD will be undetectable in just few days or week maybe. Nolva and toremifene, on the other hand, have long elemination t1/2's (about 5 days). For example, a single 120mg dose of toremifene will still be detectable at 2mg a month later. Drugs inhibiting the CYP3A4-6 enzyme systems (cytochrome P450) like E-mycin and letrozole can slow metabolism even further, while induces of these enzymes such as phenobarbital and carbamazepine can reduce it slightly.
 
Thanks Dr. D for the response. So if one were to take 20-40mg of nolva a day for 2-4 wks. a rough estimate for clearance would be 2 months, if I am understanding it right? Also would Letrozole have this same clearance, taking it 1.25mg eod for 4wks. Like I said before I have been searching and can not find much. I can not thank you enough for your responses... you are the MAN!!! :dance:
 
jmh80 said:
Doesn't grapefruit juice inhibit that enzyme too??
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Yes, that's what they say. I've never tried it personally to evaluate it's quantitative efficacy, but it was once very popularly used for prolonging the effects of common OTC PH's with short half-lives like M4OHN. Based on it's interaction with many OTC and Rx drugs, I'd say it for real.
 
Yeah. There was a study posted recently about it's ability on a prescription drug to dramatically increase the circulating levels of the drug.

The doctors quoted were serious in their recommendation to stay away from grapefruits period when taking prescription drugs as they just didn't know the possible effects.
 
Needle**** said:
Thanks Dr. D for the response. So if one were to take 20-40mg of nolva a day for 2-4 wks. a rough estimate for clearance would be 2 months, if I am understanding it right? Also would Letrozole have this same clearance, taking it 1.25mg eod for 4wks. Like I said before I have been searching and can not find much. I can not thank you enough for your responses... you are the MAN!!! :dance:
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Yes, that is correct. Letro would delay it's clearance somewhat, but letro would be cleared just as rapidly (within a few weeks). I'm glad to help anytime, just let me know bro!
 
Needle**** said:
Dr. D sorry to ask another clearance time question, but what would raloxifene have? Thanks again!!!!!
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Ral is about 24hr's on the t1/2, so it's gone even faster than the letro. The doses are much higher than letro of course, so a few weeks for all practical purposes, even if you're loaded with it. Are you trying of evade detection or something?
 
Thanks again for the response, basically yes ... don't like having things linger around. Thanks though, appreciate it! and sorry to all by getting off the subject of Toremifene.
 
:thumbsup: I just started using toremifene last week and I have to say that Im really impressed, it does work very well.
 
turkish said:
Dr.D has previously suggested a dose of 120mg/d (Invalid Link Removed).

Is this the way to go for 3-4 weeks straight? Isn't any frontloading/tapering necessary?

And finally, did anybody try this drug for pct? If so, what were your impressions?
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Is this dosage combined or 120mg of Nolva and 120mg of Clomid together?
 
asap nutrition said:
Is this dosage combined or 120mg of Nolva and 120mg of Clomid together?
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I think he misunderstood. 120mg toremifene citrate, just for the first 2-7 days of PCT. You could hold that dose for the first 2 wks if you're really shutdown hard, but you shouldn't need that much for 4 straight wks.
 
Sky9 said:
:thumbsup: I just started using toremifene last week and I have to say that Im really impressed, it does work very well.
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It would so replace Nolva if people really found out about it.
 
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