What can I say. BC and I don't see eye to eye on a lot of things! He also thinks SD is a weak, second rate steroid. I've been at it with him for weeks now over on some BB.com threads concerning this. I've been trying to educate him otherwise and point to the fact that 90% of users are making serious gains, but he just won't hear it. Oh well. I posted about 10 Pub-Med studies in a thread here not too long ago comparing Nolva to Fareston. The toxicity data alone condemns Nolva. Just start writing sponsors and tell them you want toremifene citrate. That’s what I did. As soon as someone takes this seriously, we are all in for a new age in SERM treatment! It would probably be the only SERM I’d ever use if I could get some. Gyno, PCT, whatever, it covers everything with the least toxicity.