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Topical 11-Ketotestosterone from Iron Legion?

Geoforce said:
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It seems pretty benign from what I've read. My level of caution is slightly elevated because it is a PH which I generally steer clear of because they punish my lipids. Another member in this thread wrote that PA said PCT is not necessary. So it doesn't seem inhibitory.

Monte
 
Monte Brogan said:
It seems pretty benign from what I've read. My level of caution is slightly elevated because it is a PH which I generally steer clear of because they punish my lipids. Another member in this thread wrote that PA said PCT is not necessary. So it doesn't seem inhibitory.

Monte
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It will cause some suppression, or rather the ph to 11kt does but it was rather mild in my case I only dropped from 670ng/dl pre to 400ng/dl post I still did a pct but that is well with in range still.
 
harbonah said:
It will cause some suppression, or rather the ph to 11kt does but it was rather mild in my case I only dropped from 670ng/dl pre to 400ng/dl post I still did a pct but that is well with in range still.
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Just 11kt did that? Topical or oral? I thought it would be way more negligible than 270 points, that is a LOT actually....normal range or not.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Just 11kt did that? Topical or oral? I thought it would be way more negligible than 270 points, that is a LOT actually....normal range or not.
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I was using the powder 11lean at 1 gram a day. And while it looks a big scary drop it could have been natural variation take a look at this study its nothing to drop 200 points in single day.

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harbonah said:
I was using the powder 11lean at 1 gram a day. And while it looks a big scary drop it could have been natural variation take a look at this study its nothing to drop 200 points in single day.

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Yeah, test #'s vary so greatly from day to day and hour to hour...depends on when you have blood drawn, your diet that day, obviously your supps, etc. But still, that is a pretty good coincidence since you were on 11kt. I always used 7 and or 11, and never did a PCT, now I don't PCT at all of course....but I've run them in the past with no PCT. I like it when the secretary tells me to make sure to come in at 8am or so instead of 11am so they can get a more accurate reading....I'm like lady I'm on androgel with your office and I apply morning and night at the same time every day....I have no natural testosterone to coordinate with my circadian rhythm at this time, its 100% artifical :D
 
harbonah said:
It will cause some suppression, or rather the ph to 11kt does but it was rather mild in my case I only dropped from 670ng/dl pre to 400ng/dl post I still did a pct but that is well with in range still.
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Harbonah, thanks. I suppose that makes sense since it is an androgen. A mild PCT might be a good idea. 7 might be a milder alternative for those seeking something that isn't suppressive. But the 11 is probably more potent.

Monte
 
harbonah said:
I was using the powder 11lean at 1 gram a day. And while it looks a big scary drop it could have been natural variation take a look at this study its nothing to drop 200 points in single day.

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Thanks for the feedback. It would be cool to see you run the topical and compare results/findings.
 
What was lousy about the 11-spray was the fact that there was no mg amount listed per pump or 10 pumps....that always annoyed me, simply because I like to have a label on the product that lists ingredients and mg amounts. But it worked at 40-50 pumps just fine so............
 
AnabolicHolic said:
What was lousy about the 11-spray was the fact that there was no mg amount listed per pump or 10 pumps....that always annoyed me, simply because I like to have a label on the product that lists ingredients and mg amounts. But it worked at 40-50 pumps just fine so............
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80 pumps was roughly 240 mg
 
JD261985 said:
80 pumps was roughly 240 mg
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I was doing 120mg per day then, since I always stretched the bottle out to ~6 weeks at 40 pumps rather than the suggested 4 weeks at 50 pumps.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I was doing 120mg per day then, since I always stretched the bottle out to ~6 weeks at 40 pumps rather than the suggested 4 weeks at 50 pumps.
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I used it at 70 sprays per day or so for 8 weeks when it first came out. It didn't do squat for me. In fact none of Pat's new products have worked for me with the exception of his DAA.
 
I am not a tested athlete but I do have a question. Will 11kt show a positive result on a test for steroids. Thank you.
 
BBB said:
I used it at 70 sprays per day or so for 8 weeks when it first came out. It didn't do squat for me. In fact none of Pat's new products have worked for me with the exception of his DAA.
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Pretty odd especially for 11-spray. That stuff ripped me to pieces.
 
SuppJunkie said:
I am not a tested athlete but I do have a question. Will 11kt show a positive result on a test for steroids. Thank you.
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It's quite possible, yes. Adrenosterone (11-oxo) is detectable (PMID: 20355175), and that shares metabolites with 11-KT.
 
henryv said:
It's quite possible, yes. Adrenosterone (11-oxo) is detectable (PMID: 20355175), and that shares metabolites with 11-KT.
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Yeah but isn't that a legal compound or is that breaking down into an illegal metabolite as far as the test goes? Thank you..sj
 
SuppJunkie said:
Yeah but isn't that a legal compound or is that breaking down into an illegal metabolite as far as the test goes? Thank you..sj
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I don't think steroid tests differentiate between legal and illegal, just steroids and not steroids. If your workplace or sporting association has rules against using performance-enhancing drugs, they probably don't differentiate between legal and illegal.
 
SuppJunkie said:
Yeah but isn't that a legal compound or is that breaking down into an illegal metabolite as far as the test goes? Thank you..sj
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What are you worried about this for? If you are competing then contact the governing body. If it is for work I doubt you have anything to worry about. It cost them a fortune to test for steroids so none of them do it.
 
henryv said:
I don't think steroid tests differentiate between legal and illegal, just steroids and not steroids. If your workplace or sporting association has rules against using performance-enhancing drugs, they probably don't differentiate between legal and illegal.
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I agree with Henry. If you're a tested athlete, I wouldn't chance it.
 
Running three bottles of xi-kt for 45 days at 2ml alongside 6 weeks of hdrol. Not logging but I'll post an update at end of cycle.
 
Sauce.. did you run all 3 products the entire duration or did you add the 11 keto in after you started..?

So basically, you started noticing it around the 4th week..?

Im running a 7-8 week cycle & was planning on running 11 xi-kt for 6 weeks @ 2ml starting around week
2 or 3 depending on if I go 7 weeks or 8 weeks.
 
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