Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[ax1]

Holy shwit . Makes me wonder about cia and Columbia.

Yea...they dont report on CNN when CIA Airplanes crash in Mexico coming from South America heading the the US loaded with fresh tasty cocaine.

Thats how the CIA funds itself and its black operations.

Its really simple....cocoa farms? Lot cheaper and less complicated to bomb the crap out of them then to fight the war on drugs on US soil.

Think about oil.....ISIS controls oil fields and funds itself into power. Bomb the oil fields, duh! But wait, they have our weapons, we gave it to them.

I dont understand how so many people can be so naive.

 

[bighulksmash]

Lol...here it is, lol

Government doesnt give a damn about Americans. They only give a damn about endless wars, drugs, oil, profits and more power.

Thats why I promote freedom, liberty and the Bill of Rights and US Constitution! You expand government powers by nature it becomes corrupt and only seeks to increase its power.

Wow !!!! Yet people in us are dying by the thousands of overdoses ... this makes me question humanity. Wtf gave them the idea its ok to grow this ... ohhh wait thats where usa gets its opium supply duhhh lol ...

 

[bighulksmash]

Yea...they dont report on CNN when CIA Airplanes crash in Mexico coming from South America heading the the US loaded with fresh tasty cocaine.

Thats how the CIA funds itself and its black operations.

Its really simple....cocoa farms? Lot cheaper and less complicated to bomb the crap out of them then to fight the war on drugs on US soil.

Think about oil.....ISIS controls oil fields and funds itself into power. Bomb the oil fields, duh! But wait, they have our weapons, we gave it to them.

I dont understand how so many people can be so naive.

I dont smoke pot . But this makes me want to smoke pot until i literally pass the fauk out ha i still cant believe it . Was this oblamas idea?

 

[ax1]

I dont smoke pot . But this makes me want to smoke pot until i literally pass the fauk out ha i still cant believe it . Was this oblamas idea?

Haha....I dont let people around me even smoke pot by me....I come over you better be high before I get there or your not going to get my quality time, lol!

Obama had alot to do with empowering ISIS....of course they took out Khadafi who wasnt establishment...Obama helped destroy and destabilize Lybia (the country is in ruins now, thanks Obama!) and a big chunk of the guns went out to these groups (plus the 600+ tons of weapons that were dropped off directly from the USA) so they can destabilize and cause chaos in other regions (Syria in particular) to take out other anti-nwo establishment dictators (not defending the dictators, thats not the point.)

Thats why they had Senator Stevens assassinated, he was going to blow the whistle on Hitlery's weapons smuggling operation.

 

[ax1]

Wow !!!! Yet people in us are dying by the thousands of overdoses ... this makes me question humanity. Wtf gave them the idea its ok to grow this ... ohhh wait thats where usa gets its opium supply duhhh lol ...

Its worse....when you make drugs illegal more dangerous drugs come up. Have you heard of the heroin replacement called "Krokodil" in Russia? It eats your flesh away.

You see, you will not stop seekers of cash, and seekers of getting high. Its impossible.

I wont post a pic, because its really really bad but here is the link...you can see the girl in one of the pictures with her leg rotting away, she was Ms. Russia I think.
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[Ari Gold]

I dont understand how so many people can be so naive.

I don't know if it's naive anymore or if the people just don't want to believe because the truth would hurt so much.

That being said, I'm talking about the people who are independent thinkers, not the sheep that blindly believe whatever is on FOX or CNN.

 

[bighulksmash]

Its worse....when you make drugs illegal more dangerous drugs come up. Have you heard of the heroin replacement called "Krokodil" in Russia? It eats your flesh away.

You see, you will not stop seekers of cash, and seekers of getting high. Its impossible.

I wont post a pic, because its really really bad but here is the link...you can see the girl in one of the pictures with her leg rotting away, she was Ms. Russia I think.
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Where i live the peoples faces are all scabby like zombies krokadil because of the crocodile like skin . I think oblamas got a big connection with the people in his homeland.

 

[bighulksmash]

I don't know if it's naive anymore or if the people just don't want to believe because the truth would hurt so much.

That being said, I'm talking about the people who are independent thinkers, not the sheep that blindly believe whatever is on FOX or CNN.

I walk in my job and cnn or msnbc is on people immediately start asking me if I seen the big story. I respond with, its all controlled media . Nothing is what it seems! !

 

[Ari Gold]

The media plays what they want you to hear, that should come as not surprise to either side of the aisle. Hence why CNN and Fox News always paint the same story in such different lights.

 

[ax1]

I walk in my job and cnn or msnbc is on people immediately start asking me if I seen the big story. I respond with, its all controlled media . Nothing is what it seems! !

CNN is the place where when you go to work and check your coat, you also have to check your opinion.

Keep in mind, the CIA by law is allowed to instill propaganda, disinformation and psych-ops on all mainstream media on television and radio through "Operation Mockingbird" which just this year was given a hefty dose of Superdrol.

A good example for CNN from a couple of years ago was the story of CNN reporter Amber Lyon who was covering genocide in Bahrain during the Arhab Spring in 2011 and CNN wouldnt report her documentary even though she and her supporting cast risks their lives to report. Of course, the US has bases in Bahrain so if peoples are being slaughtered all over the streets there Obama wont go on TV and condemn these actions, instead lets destroy Lybia or focus on Iran. There is more to the story such as threating her health insurance and eventually they rid of her but Ill keep this post short.

Im out, have a good night folks!

 

[bighulksmash]

CNN is the place where when you go to work and check your coat, you also have to check your opinion.

Keep in mind, the CIA by law is allowed to instill propaganda, disinformation and psych-ops on all mainstream media on television and radio through "Operation Mockingbird" which just this year was given a hefty dose of Superdrol.

A good example for CNN from a couple of years ago was the story of CNN reporter Amber Lyon who was covering genocide in Bahrain during the Arhab Spring in 2011 and CNN wouldnt report her documentary even though she and her supporting cast risks their lives to report. Of course, the US has bases in Bahrain so if peoples are being slaughtered all over the streets there Obama wont go on TV and condemn these actions, instead lets destroy Lybia or focus on Iran. There is more to the story such as threating her health insurance and eventually they rid of her but Ill keep this post short.

Im out, have a good night folks!

Sleep well !! Very entertaining convo . Tomorrow its all about aliens! !!

 

[bighulksmash]

The media plays what they want you to hear, that should come as not surprise to either side of the aisle. Hence why CNN and Fox News always paint the same story in such different lights.

I posted pics of that guy in that thread about those things at the gym ya know

 

[Jiigzz]

I see your point now. While a US soldier walking through a field doesnt depict he is anything other than intrigued, with some credible sources id love to read about it

 

[Ari Gold]

Id love to read credible sources on that as well. Depending on the story they want to tell, a soldier merely walking by and talking to his buddies about "hey guys, so this is how that stuff is made" could be spun into "US Soldiers protected drug dealers".

If the soldiers see it and dont have orders to do something about it, they're not going to.

 

[ax1]

I see your point now. While a US soldier walking through a field doesnt depict he is anything other than intrigued, with some credible sources id love to read about it

Its directly from the Military, they arent just walking through the crops, they are guarding them and helping the local farmers. They specifically say in the video's I posted they provide security and resources. It cant be any clearer. They even feel bad when the opium crops are destroyed and say they give them reimbursement for their losses with our tax dollars. "Its a part of the culture." Imagine your local drug dealer getting robbed and the local police gave him food stamps for his losses? I mean its just a part of his culture, right?

ROLF, lol the soldier says, "the majority are good people"...but if your American and try to earn a living you dont get security, resources and insurance in case you lose your dope, instead your a hardened criminal and thrown in the slammer, lol!

Im a follow the money kind of guy. Money gives you answers. We have invaded and the biggest outcome is opium production. The production pre-war less than 10% world production and now over 90%.

Its really simple, if the war on drugs has failed after 1.5 trillion dollars and a complete failure, heroin becoming a serious crisis in the north east and New York, Washington can send Obama's love drones and drop his bombs of love on the poppy plants all day long and cutting off "terrorist money sources." After all, Obama supports the war on drugs...he has no problems destabilizing the middle east and destroying Lybia and Syria, but why no Obama love bombs on the poppy? Kill the farmers, after all they are all terrorists causing a drug crisis in the states. Obama would kill dozens of children just to get 1 suspected terrorist with his love drones, now go kill the farmers.

If the Taliban can kill optium production, Im sure the USA has some ability to do so as well, but rather we go from 10% to 90%+. The truth is all in front of us, the military openly protects the crops and farmers providing them resources and insurance do to "cultural" reasons. Production is thriving, and Obama is more concerned about playing golf and reading skills.

The president of afghanistan's brother Ahmed Wali Karzi was the biggest drug lord in all of Afghanistan before he was assassinated. He was financed by the CIA.
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Here is more info about the prosperity of the Afghan drug trade, and let me just step aside as say Thanks Obama!
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The same goes for south America and cocaine. They can find the cocoa, now bomb them? Or the CIA dont like that?

 

[Jiigzz]

Its directly from the Military, they arent just walking through the crops, they are guarding them and helping the local farmers. They specifically say in the video's I posted they provide security and resources. It cant be any clearer. They even feel bad when the opium crops are destroyed and say they give them reimbursement for their losses with our tax dollars. "Its a part of the culture." Imagine your local drug dealer getting robbed and the local police gave him food stamps for his losses? I mean its just a part of his culture, right?

ROLF, lol the soldier says, "the majority are good people"...but if your American and try to earn a living you dont get security, resources and insurance in case you lose your dope, instead your a hardened criminal and thrown in the slammer, lol!

Im a follow the money kind of guy. Money gives you answers. We have invaded and the biggest outcome is opium production. The production pre-war less than 10% world production and now over 90%.

Its really simple, if the war on drugs has failed after 1.5 trillion dollars and a complete failure, heroin becoming a serious crisis in the north east and New York, Washington can send Obama's love drones and drop his bombs of love on the poppy plants all day long and cutting off "terrorist money sources." After all, Obama supports the war on drugs...he has no problems destabilizing the middle east and destroying Lybia and Syria, but why no Obama love bombs on the poppy? Kill the farmers, after all they are all terrorists causing a drug crisis in the states. Obama would kill dozens of children just to get 1 suspected terrorist with his love drones, now go kill the farmers.

If the Taliban can kill optium production, Im sure the USA has some ability to do so as well, but rather we go from 10% to 90%+. The truth is all in front of us, the military openly protects the crops and farmers providing them resources and insurance do to "cultural" reasons. Production is thriving, and Obama is more concerned about playing golf and reading skills.

The president of afghanistan's brother Ahmed Wali Karzi was the biggest drug lord in all of Afghanistan before he was assassinated. He was financed by the CIA.
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Here is more info about the prosperity of the Afghan drug trade, and let me just step aside as say Thanks Obama!
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The same goes for south America and cocaine. They can find the cocoa, now bomb them? Or the CIA dont like that?

Did you watch the whole video? You neglected to note why they do it and that they offer alternatives.

You cant pick and choose arguments to fit your story. Watch the entire video and listen to that part in context

 

[Whacked]

The media plays what they want you to hear, that should come as not surprise to either side of the aisle. Hence why CNN and Fox News always paint the same story in such different lights.

So what news outlets do you watch that are legit?

Ax1: Same question to you.

 

[thebigt]

I wonder if it is coincidence that there was a huge drop off in production in 2001?

 

[bighulksmash]

So what news outlets do you watch that are legit?

Ax1: Same question to you.

We only need to know what they decide we need to know . Its a need to know basis and we have been deemed as a non importance. So therefore we dont need to know unless we have clearance . Mainstream media is edited.
Aliens run the world btw

 

[bighulksmash]

I wonder if it is coincidence that there was a huge drop off in production in 2001?

Coincidentally there were large stock dumps the day before. ... guess who sold large stocks? ?

 

[ax1]

Did you watch the whole video? You neglected to note why they do it and that they offer alternatives.

You cant pick and choose arguments to fit your story. Watch the entire video and listen to that part in context

lol we see how all that worked out!

 

[ax1]

So what news outlets do you watch that are legit?

Ax1: Same question to you.

On the road with the wife bud will get back tomorrow. Wish I can be here

 

[ax1]

I wonder if it is coincidence that there was a huge drop off in production in 2001?

Taliban hated opium.

 

[bighulksmash]

Taliban hated opium.

Quid pro quo ? Yes or no

 

[thebigt]

Taliban hated opium.

yes...but look at the years before and after 2001!!!

 

[bighulksmash]

yes...but look at the years before and after 2001!!!

I didn't find anything extra ordinarily out of place? ?

 

[ax1]

I didn't find anything extra ordinarily out of place? ?

He is referring to the chart in post 2822 in 2001 production was extremely low.

yes...but look at the years before and after 2001!!!

The Taliban destoryed the Poppy just about totally eradicated in Febuary of 2001.

This was before the US invaded of course before tinfoiled minion conspiracy theorists thought hairy chimpanzees in toga costumes, dialysis machines and wheel chairs attacked us on 9/11 out of a cave while chewing on tree bark and drinking their own urine.

From October in 2001 after invasion, support, resources, security and hard cold cash from the US Military is when production skyrocketed and thats what made the little production shown on the chart. Thanks Bush! Mission accomplished!
This link is hard to read but its from 2/2001 by the Pittburgh Post Gazette reporting on the eradication of Opium by the Taliban.
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Of course, CIA Karzi's brother was given authority to restore order...here is some of the history about our CIA druglord.
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US and CIA have a long history with opium in afghanistan, the Golden Cresent drug trade was launched in the early 80's at NATO has a history of involvement as well. The CIA laundered drug money to finance the mujahideen which was revealed in Iran Contra and the Bank of Commerce and Credit. The British who have hundreds of years of experience being the worlds top dog drug dealers (Now the title goes to Obama!) had some leadership involvement as well.

Eradication of Opium means war. Restore "law and order." Drug dealing Washington and NATO dont like it when the dirty money supply is disturbed. They love that Obamamoney!

But hey, if your an afghan terrorist farmer, Washington will give you resources, security and fresh hard USA cash, but we will offer you a choice to grow mint leaves, squash and cotton. If you dont comply with the right choice, you are offered continued resources, security and USA hard cash! What a choice!

If your American and have a 1 poppy plant in your front yard your choice is to have the DEA kick your door down, your banks seized, your property taken, your nose bloody on the floor and you get to play a game of not dropping the bar of soap in the showers.

Anyways there is much much more to the story, but the whole War on Drugs is a crock, a complete failure and the biggest waste of tax dollars in human history. A war that is impossible to win over millions of years, but is only fueled by criminalization driving the black markets and empowering criminal syndicates (top dog being governments.)

Think how 1.5 trillion dollars in the last decade can been put into health care as drug use is a medical problem, not a criminal problem. What if we used that money to give our troops medical care instead of hiding them in hospital basements to save money and letting them rot to death in extreme pain for months and months with no treatment. Government has no moral authority, they are not moral. You can not entrust them to force morality when they are the root corrupt evildoers in society.

 

[ax1]

Quid pro quo ? Yes or no

Wut? lol

Coincidentally there were large stock dumps the day before. ... guess who sold large stocks? ?

Rumsfeld announced a missing 2.3 trillion dollars in defense spending the day before 9/11 and this was shown on C-Span. The part of the Pentagon that was hit with that missile was the computer servers held the information that if was audited may have helped reveal as to what happened to the 2.3 trillion. How convenient. Wonder why they show over and over again planes crashing into the towers, but the most surveilled destination on earth they show us nothing. Forget the 2.3 trillion, thats long and forgotten. Buts its only 2.3 trillion, much easier to let troops die in cog webbed hospital basements we can just save the cash in the long run and not need that 2.3 trillion back.

So what news outlets do you watch that are legit?

Ax1: Same question to you.

I dunno whats legit or not...I want people to really figure it out for themselves.

Not all mainstream news are lies. You can run Psychops simply by covering what you want to cover and setting the agenda what you want the minions to worry about.

A couple of my favorite people are Gereld Celente of Trends Research and Jesse Ventura. globalresearch.ca has alot of independent reporting. Then in infowars there are alot of former military, police, government whistleblowers, people of very interesting positions you dont get to hear anywhere else. There is more thats just a few simple ones, but I do watch maistream news as well as I want to know what the agenda is at all times.

Dont stick to a single voice and always think for yourself. Get better at it, thats my goal. If your the same thinker you were a year ago, your not developing yourself.

 

[Ari Gold]

So what news outlets do you watch that are legit?

Ax1: Same question to you.

I watch multiple and assume none are "legit". I use my own brain to try and figure out what's really going on. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. These days, the rhetoric and extreme left and extreme right news is so easy to spot it's not even funny. The problem is, most people believe whatever they're told and that falls right into the agendas.

 

[Jiigzz]

He is referring to the chart in post 2822 in 2001 production was extremely low.



The Taliban destoryed the Poppy just about totally eradicated in Febuary of 2001.

This was before the US invaded of course before tinfoiled minion conspiracy theorists thought hairy chimpanzees in toga costumes, dialysis machines and wheel chairs attacked us on 9/11 out of a cave while chewing on tree bark and drinking their own urine.

From October in 2001 after invasion, support, resources, security and hard cold cash from the US Military is when production skyrocketed and thats what made the little production shown on the chart. Thanks Bush! Mission accomplished!
This link is hard to read but its from 2/2001 by the Pittburgh Post Gazette reporting on the eradication of Opium by the Taliban.
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Of course, CIA Karzi's brother was given authority to restore order...here is some of the history about our CIA druglord.
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US and CIA have a long history with opium in afghanistan, the Golden Cresent drug trade was launched in the early 80's at NATO has a history of involvement as well. The CIA laundered drug money to finance the mujahideen which was revealed in Iran Contra and the Bank of Commerce and Credit. The British who have hundreds of years of experience being the worlds top dog drug dealers (Now the title goes to Obama!) had some leadership involvement as well.

Eradication of Opium means war. Restore "law and order." Drug dealing Washington and NATO dont like it when the dirty money supply is disturbed. They love that Obamamoney!

But hey, if your an afghan terrorist farmer, Washington will give you resources, security and fresh hard USA cash, but we will offer you a choice to grow mint leaves, squash and cotton. If you dont comply with the right choice, you are offered continued resources, security and USA hard cash! What a choice!

If your American and have a 1 poppy plant in your front yard your choice is to have the DEA kick your door down, your banks seized, your property taken, your nose bloody on the floor and you get to play a game of not dropping the bar of soap in the showers.

Anyways there is much much more to the story, but the whole War on Drugs is a crock, a complete failure and the biggest waste of tax dollars in human history. A war that is impossible to win over millions of years, but is only fueled by criminalization driving the black markets and empowering criminal syndicates (top dog being governments.)

Think how 1.5 trillion dollars in the last decade can been put into health care as drug use is a medical problem, not a criminal problem. What if we used that money to give our troops medical care instead of hiding them in hospital basements to save money and letting them rot to death in extreme pain for months and months with no treatment. Government has no moral authority, they are not moral. You can not entrust them to force morality when they are the root corrupt evildoers in society.

I'm going to play devils advocate - if the Taliban hated opium and sought to destroy it, that might explain why after they were overthrown production sky rocketed. If the growers had little oppression, then the crops were free to take off.

Just because it happened after the US troops landed, does not mean they actively protected growers or provided resources; it just means the people who initially were almost successful in wiping it out were overthrown that exact year.

inb4 US blew up the trade towers so they had an excuse to invade in order to save the opium.

 

[ax1]

I'm going to play devils advocate - if the Taliban hated opium and sought to destroy it, that might explain why after they were overthrown production sky rocketed. If the growers had little oppression, then the crops were free to take off.

Just because it happened after the US troops landed, does not mean they actively protected growers or provided resources; it just means the people who initially were almost successful in wiping it out were overthrown that exact year.

inb4 US blew up the trade towers so they had an excuse to invade in order to save the opium.

Its the war on drugs...you only give these people two choices...destroy the crops or we drop bombs on them tomorrow and you will die. Its that simple. No negotiating, no choices, no military protection, no nothing. Rid of it or die.

If we can afford to keep spending $15+ billion dollars a year on this catastrophic failure unproductive of a joke war on drugs, we can afford to direct those drones to drop bombs and murder all those drug dealing criminal farmers and destroy those crops. Instead we send them support, emotional comforting, military, resources and money and even help them export it.

Now thanks to the support from Washington, heroin use is a serious epidemic and is now up 63% over the past 11 years, and you think fighting this on the streets of America means anything or even has the slightest impact other than wasting tax dollars and turning the USA into the biggest prison state in worlds history.
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I dont understand how this is even a debate, but your always welcome here to do so

 

[ax1]

inb4 US blew up the trade towers so they had an excuse to invade in order to save the opium.

When your talking about the very government that had 4 star General, and then CIA Director General Petreus who was in the middle of fighting the War on Terror and fighting the worst villans on the face of the earth costing over a trillion dollars and losing 5,000+ of our troops for years now coming out suggesting we need to side with and support Al-Queda the very group who was supposed to be responsible for blowing those towers up and murdering 3,000+ of our people, nothing should surprise you.

Sorry for the run on, didnt know how to put it, lol

 

[Jiigzz]

Its the war on drugs...you only give these people two choices...destroy the crops or we drop bombs on them tomorrow and you will die. Its that simple. No negotiating, no choices, no military protection, no nothing. Rid of it or die.

If we can afford to keep spending $15+ billion dollars a year on this catastrophic failure unproductive of a joke war on drugs, we can afford to direct those drones to drop bombs and murder all those drug dealing criminal farmers and destroy those crops. Instead we send them support, emotional comforting, military, resources and money and even help them export it.

Now thanks to the support from Washington, heroin use is a serious epidemic and is now up 63% over the past 11 years, and you think fighting this on the streets of America means anything or even has the slightest impact other than wasting tax dollars and turning the USA into the biggest prison state in worlds history.
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I dont understand how this is even a debate, but your always welcome here to do so

I see what you're getting at, but that country is NOT the US. It was not their priority going in, and certainly isn't their priority now. Nothing is ever as straight forward as it is portrayed, but the fact production sky rocketed could have just been down to the Taliban being overthrown. They even said in that destroying it would cause more problems and drugs are a policing matter, not a warfare one.

You need someone to actively police it - the military cannot dedicate resources to both its primary objective and trying to rid a country of narcotics and then keep them eliminated.

 

[Jiigzz]

When your talking about the very government that had 4 star General, and then CIA Director General Petreus who was in the middle of fighting the War on Terror and fighting the worst villans on the face of the earth costing over a trillion dollars and losing 5,000+ of our troops for years now coming out suggesting we need to side with and support Al-Queda the very group who was supposed to be responsible for blowing those towers up and murdering 3,000+ of our people, nothing should surprise you.

Sorry for the run on, didnt know how to put it, lol

Nothing does anymore lol I like debate for the sake of debate. Helps me clear up my own doubts and get the evidence from all point of views

 

[thebigt]

I'm going to play devils advocate - if the Taliban hated opium and sought to destroy it, that might explain why after they were overthrown production sky rocketed. If the growers had little oppression, then the crops were free to take off.

Just because it happened after the US troops landed, does not mean they actively protected growers or provided resources; it just means the people who initially were almost successful in wiping it out were overthrown that exact year.

inb4 US blew up the trade towers so they had an excuse to invade in order to save the opium.

devils advocate back atcha...look how many americans are behind bars, look how much crime in urban neighborhoods, look how much gangs control inner cities, look how much money the U.S government spends on fighting war on drugs...if we are there at the source doesn't it make sense we would wipe out the deadly crop right in front of us?

it doesn't even take violence to do it, we could pay hefty sums for them not to grow poppy!!!! the fact that poppy production has gone skyward since we have been there should raise the eyebrows of even the most ardent skeptic, imo!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

devils advocate back atcha...look how many americans are behind bars, look how much crime in urban neighborhoods, look how much gangs control inner cities, look how much money the U.S government spends on fighting war on drugs...if we are there at the source doesn't it make sense we would wipe out the deadly crop right in front of us?

it doesn't even take violence to do it, we could pay hefty sums for them not to grow poppy!!!! the fact that poppy production has gone skyward since we have been there should raise the eyebrows of even the most ardent skeptic, imo!!!

I don't disagree with this at all. But policing in another country is not something countries can actively do. For instance, if where I am was the hub of meth production, the US couldn't come here with military might and destroy it all UNLESS our government agreed to it. Mexican Cartels should tell you that it is not easily achieved without collaboration.

 

[thebigt]

I don't disagree with this at all. But policing in another country is not something countries can actively do. For instance, if where I am was the hub of meth production, the US couldn't come here with military might and destroy it all UNLESS our government agreed to it. Mexican Cartels should tell you that it is not easily achieved without collaboration.

you didn't read my entire post....we could pay them hefty sums of money and no policing would be needed!!! this would work in Afghanistan because the locals seem to be on the side of getting rid of it.....as far as the Mexicans go, I have no answer..

 

[Blergs]

Its the war on drugs...you only give these people two choices...destroy the crops or we drop bombs on them tomorrow and you will die. Its that simple. No negotiating, no choices, no military protection, no nothing. Rid of it or die.

If we can afford to keep spending $15+ billion dollars a year on this catastrophic failure unproductive of a joke war on drugs, we can afford to direct those drones to drop bombs and murder all those drug dealing criminal farmers and destroy those crops. Instead we send them support, emotional comforting, military, resources and money and even help them export it.

Now thanks to the support from Washington, heroin use is a serious epidemic and is now up 63% over the past 11 years, and you think fighting this on the streets of America means anything or even has the slightest impact other than wasting tax dollars and turning the USA into the biggest prison state in worlds history.
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I dont understand how this is even a debate, but your always welcome here to do so

i agree. common guys. it give reason to pour tax money into policing, than inturn pours money into private prisons and in turn makes it a political thing. just like diseases there is money in treatment not in cures (for the most part) and they want to have a reason to hire more peopel in the DEA and keep the gravy train running... its a joke....

legalize ALL drugs, and treat it as a HEALTH issue... fines and hospitalization.. not jail and criminal records... what you think they will go do when they cant get a job due to record? get high... it only fuels the alreaddy deeper issue of drug dependence and/or mental issues...

the "war on drugs" is a freaking joke.. just like the FEDERAL stance on cannabis which is a complete joke at this point...

 

[ax1]

I don't disagree with this at all. But policing in another country is not something countries can actively do. For instance, if where I am was the hub of meth production, the US couldn't come here with military might and destroy it all UNLESS our government agreed to it. Mexican Cartels should tell you that it is not easily achieved without collaboration.

But we are policing there, thats what the US is actively doing. Except instead of policing the war on drugs, we are policing the war against those who want to hurt production. They have those soldiers feeling sad when the crops get hurt, its absolutely astronomical how the people on top misuse our troops.

Other than that I agree with you, the USA should not be policing the world, its too expensive and empire building will make this country broke which it already is.

 

[ax1]

you didn't read my entire post....we could pay them hefty sums of money and no policing would be needed!!! this would work in Afghanistan because the locals seem to be on the side of getting rid of it.....as far as the Mexicans go, I have no answer..

The value is so expensive this broke country couldnt afford it. As we can see it, history only shows the Government only wants healthy production with the Golden Crescent Drug Trade and the Iran Contra and the CIA laundering drug money to the Mujahideen through the Bank of Commerce and Credit and so on.

Its a source of income for the CIA, the Fed and more to fund black ops and many other things. You would be paying and losing a great source of income on top of everything.

You know what happened with Vietnam and drugs, just watch Hollywood, lol!

 

[thebigt]

The value is so expensive this broke country couldnt afford it. As we can see it, history only shows the Government only wants healthy production with the Golden Crescent Drug Trade and the Iran Contra and the CIA laundering drug money to the Mujahideen through the Bank of Commerce and Credit and so on.

Its a source of income for the CIA, the Fed and more to fund black ops and many other things. You would be paying and losing a great source of income on top of everything.

You know what happened with Vietnam and drugs, just watch Hollywood, lol!

I don't need to watch Hollywood, I grew up during Vietnam....it was the real start of the drug culture in this country, imo!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

But we are policing there, thats what the US is actively doing. Except instead of policing the war on drugs, we are policing the war against those who want to hurt production. They have those soldiers feeling sad when the crops get hurt, its absolutely astronomical how the people on top misuse our troops.

Other than that I agree with you, the USA should not be policing the world, its too expensive and empire building will make this country broke which it already is.

I completely agree it needs to be dealt with at source not just distributors. You take down one and 2 more pop up.

For these farmers though its a source of income for which there are few alternatives. In a war and poverty stroken country, you do what you have to do to survive.

 

[ax1]

I completely agree it needs to be dealt with at source not just distributors. You take down one and 2 more pop up.

For these farmers though its a source of income for which there are few alternatives. In a war and poverty stroken country, you do what you have to do to survive.

This is a mixed message though, poor people in foreign countries get a pass and support, but poor people in America cant earn a living. We have so many issues in this country, 46 million on food stamps and city slums falling apart with so many people with only a few alternatives. If they get caught trying to make ends meet, their lives are ruined by the laws here and then they really cant get a real job. Why dont they call pot growers in America gardeners instead of criminals violating federal law?

Also, these arent "farmers." Its such a politically term used by the government to have mainstream view them with acceptance. They are a root cause and source of a bad drug crisis that kills and hurts so many people globally and a root cause and source that empowers drugs and gangs across the globe. Lets go back and think what happens when police encounter people on drugs???

Those people are a cancer. They arent farmers, they are terrorists and should be included in the war on terror. We are already killing terrorists, kill them too. (note: not that I even support the war on drugs, but if I did do it the right way.)

 

[ax1]

I completely agree it needs to be dealt with at source not just distributors. You take down one and 2 more pop up.

For these farmers though its a source of income for which there are few alternatives. In a war and poverty stroken country, you do what you have to do to survive.

I might have misunderstood your last sentence, not sure....but yes, if I was in their position I may be stuck doing the same thing especially knowing I can get away with it and my choice was starving or making a living.

 

[Jiigzz]

This is a mixed message though, poor people in foreign countries get a pass and support, but poor people in America cant earn a living. We have so many issues in this country, 46 million on food stamps and city slums falling apart with so many people with only a few alternatives. If they get caught trying to make ends meet, their lives are ruined by the laws here and then they really cant get a real job. Why dont they call pot growers in America gardeners instead of criminals violating federal law?

Also, these arent "farmers." Its such a politically term used by the government to have mainstream view them with acceptance. They are a root cause and source of a bad drug crisis that kills and hurts so many people globally and a root cause and source that empowers drugs and gangs across the globe. Lets go back and think what happens when police encounter people on drugs???

Those people are a cancer. They arent farmers, they are terrorists and should be included in the war on terror. We are already killing terrorists, kill them too. (note: not that I even support the war on drugs, but if I did do it the right way.)

Its not your country to govern. You cannot make the rules by which another country lives by.

]*By some, the extermination of the poppy crops is not seen as a viable option because the sale of poppies constitutes the livelihood of Afghanistan's rural farmers. Some 3.3 million Afghans are involved in producing opium.[23]*Opium is more profitable than wheat and destroying opium fields could possibly lead to discontent or unrest among the indigent population.[24]

 

[ax1]

Its not your country to govern. You cannot make the rules by which another country lives by.

Isnt "your not allowed to destroy the opium" making the rules? You cant say dont govern when your governing. Other than that I agree with you, just that Washington doesnt play by those rules. I dont support foreign interventionism.

 

[bighulksmash]

Imagine the things we dont see on the media.

 

[Jiigzz]

Isnt "your not allowed to destroy the opium" making the rules?

What? No. Its exercising jurisdiction. You cant come to NZ and enforce your own policies simply because you feel like it.

 

[ax1]

What? No. Its exercising jurisdiction. You cant come to NZ and enforce your own policies simply because you feel like it.

Thats what they are doing....the US military is in Afghanistan enforcing their own policies of protecting and aiding opium "farmers" on foreign land just because they feel like it. They dont need to be there. They have big guns looks like enforcment to me and also looks like they arent just exercising jurisdiction, but their arms and shoulders too!

If you want to call it exercising jurisdiction, they should exercise jurisdiction by getting the hell out of foreign land and not aiding the dirtiest filthiest scummiest low life druglords in world history contributing to the global drug crisis and profiting from it. Its an invasion, cant do that in NZ either.

 

[Ari Gold]

Also, these arent "farmers." Its such a politically term used by the government to have mainstream view them with acceptance. They are a root cause and source of a bad drug crisis that kills and hurts so many people globally and a root cause and source that empowers drugs and gangs across the globe. Lets go back and think what happens when police encounter people on drugs???

Have to agree with you here. They know exactly what they are doing and where it's going and what it's for. I do like your analogy of calling pot growers in the US "gardeners". It's hypocrisy at it's finest.