Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

I thought Ive seen it all during the Bush days, but now this fear terrorism retarded crap and the "state" will protect us has reached new cesspool levels.

This is just a distraction to the French from their real issues which is the collapse of their economy and socialist system. They are deploying 10,000 troops? Really? Like if they were already deployed they would have protected and prevented a shooting at a looney cartoon place?

Its amazing how small this world is and how these "terrorist" were linked on that first day to the Pentagon Special Guest of Honor Anwar al-Awlaki, and now they also add in that stupid munchkin underwear bra bomber, lol

Psi-ops in full effect, time to let goverment grope everybody on the street and touch your testicles to keep everyone safe.
 
I thought Ive seen it all during the Bush days, but now this fear terrorism retarded crap and the "state" will protect us has reached new cesspool levels.

This is just a distraction to the French from their real issues which is the collapse of their economy and socialist system. They are deploying 10,000 troops? Really? Like if they were already deployed they would have protected and prevented a shooting at a looney cartoon place?

Its amazing how small this world is and how these "terrorist" were linked on that first day to the Pentagon Special Guest of Honor Anwar al-Awlaki, and now they also add in that stupid munchkin underwear bra bomber, lol

Psi-ops in full effect, time to let goverment grope everybody on the street and touch your testicles to keep everyone safe.

What do you think of farenheit 911?
 
What do you think of farenheit 911?

That was a LONG time ago I saw it. What I can remember that still stands in my head was how Bin Laden's family was flown out of the country that night on 9/11 when the entire country was grounded, and I think he was questioning the Pentgon crash and the video's that been hidden to the public.

Ill say, his movie was good as in its gets you questioning the official story which is something every citizen should partake in, but my thread here covers a whole lot more than his movie, lol It was a long time ago I seen that movie I should try to go over it again at some point.

If you want a good documentary about 9/11 from a scientific investigative perspective I recommend (but can be long and boring for some) "9/11: Explosive Evidence -- Experts Speak Out ."

Here is a short trailer.



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For a more entertaining flick (as in informative, but not as boring) you would want to look at "Loose Change." They cover a larger range of issues in this movie.
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Never feel alone about questioning 9/11, we are not tin-foiled dimwits just for exposing goverments coverups and lies and questioning official stories that come out not to be true. Any investigator will go around and find bits and pieces to paint a picture as a whole.

Those who were directly involved including our brave heroes of 9/11 such as firefighters, police, rescue workers are coming out with time questioning 9/11 as there has been in the past including high ranking Military.

Here is a very recent testimony by Rudy Dent, a 32 year vet of NYFD and NYPD telling about his incredible first hand experience of the lies surrounding WTC 7. This interview is from just this past September.

 
i never knew george had another brother named marvin...let alone that he ran security at the wtc....coincidence????? why did no news outlet even make mention of this????
 
i never knew george had another brother named marvin...let alone that he ran security at the wtc....coincidence????? why did no news outlet even make mention of this????

WTC Owner Larry Silver-spoon (I meant Silverstein, lol) who confessed to demolish his own building 7 on 9/11 made billions off the insurance policy he bought not long before 9/11. He has gone to courts over the years to collect billions and billions more from the Airline industry as well, gotta look up and see how that one some time.

Its interesting just a few years ago they announced the price to the George Washington bridge toll to go up to $14 they announced that part of that money will go to help finance the new WTC. After a quick public uproar because WTC is a private enterprise that has nothing to do with public highway maintenance and toll money, they quickly said, umm...no it wont go to help finance WTC nevermind.

They set up a memorial in the WTC which costs $24 to enter to get groped and have your testicles molested. Originally wanted to charge the victim's families full admission just to enter the memorial. They changed that to free after public outrage, but if your NYPD or FDNY you can a nice lovely discount of $12.

You bigT, just because your a vet you ONLY have to pay $18 to get your breasts fondled and your butt x-rated with radiation if you want to go the the WTC and show respect to the victims of 9-11. What a deal!
 
WTC Owner Larry Silver-spoon (I meant Silverstein, lol) who confessed to demolish his own building 7 on 9/11 made billions off the insurance policy he bought not long before 9/11. He has gone to courts over the years to collect billions and billions more from the Airline industry as well, gotta look up and see how that one some time.

Its interesting just a few years ago they announced the price to the George Washington bridge toll to go up to $14 they announced that part of that money will go to help finance the new WTC. After a quick public uproar because WTC is a private enterprise that has nothing to do with public highway maintenance and toll money, they quickly said, umm...no it wont go to help finance WTC nevermind.

They set up a memorial in the WTC which costs $24 to enter to get groped and have your testicles molested. Originally wanted to charge the victim's families full admission just to enter the memorial. They changed that to free after public outrage, but if your NYPD or FDNY you can a nice lovely discount of $12.

You bigT, just because your a vet you ONLY have to pay $18 to get your breasts fondled and your butt x-rated with radiation if you want to go the the WTC and show respect to the victims of 9-11. What a deal!

no thanks...my breasts and butt wouldn't be caught dead in new york city...that place is like a different planet compared to where i now live!!!

the news media try to portray what people in ny and la think as representative of the u.s.

believe me, those of us who live in smaller cities think nothing but idiots would want to live in those big cities, lol.
 
For this topic, you can look into insider trading stock markets as well as how people were warned not to be in NYC that day or were there and were told to leave beforehand.

I work for a company on wall street and my bro was working that day along with a few coworkers... Idk where you got that info from but my bro nor his colleagues were told to leave. the PATH trains were still coming into the city (underneath the WTC) at the time the second plane hit.
 
I work for a company on wall street and my bro was working that day along with a few coworkers... Idk where you got that info from but my bro nor his colleagues were told to leave. the PATH trains were still coming into the city (underneath the WTC) at the time the second plane hit.

i don't think he was implying that EVERYONE was warned to stay away. that would be a little to obvious!!!
 
I work for a company on wall street and my bro was working that day along with a few coworkers... Idk where you got that info from but my bro nor his colleagues were told to leave. the PATH trains were still coming into the city (underneath the WTC) at the time the second plane hit.

Nobody was going to tell them or most people to leave, Its sounds like they made it safe so thats good news to hear :) The list of warnings is going to be rather short.

In regards to insider trading,

There was a scientific study done about insider trading prior to 9/11
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“Examination of the option trading leading up to September 11 reveals that there was an unusually high level of put buying. This finding is consistent with informed investors having traded options in advance of the attacks.”

Allen M Poteshman: “Unusual Option Market Activity and the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001″, published in The Journal of Business, University of Chicago Press, 2006, Vol 79, Edition 4, page 1703-1726.
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This is another scientific study done by a couple of asian economists from Universities.

Conclusion = “that our findings show that there was a significant abnormal increase in the trading volume in the option market just before the 9-11 attacks in contrast with the absence of abnormal trading volume far before the attacks”.

“Our findings from the out-of-the-money (OTM), at-the-money (ATM) and in-the-money (ITM) SPX index put options and ITM SPX index call options lead us to reject the null hypotheses that there was no abnormal trading in these contracts before September 11th.”

Wing-Keung Wong, Howard E. Thompson und Kweehong Teh: “Was there Abnormal Trading in the S&P 500 Index Options Prior to the September 11 Attacks?”, published at Social Sciences Research Network, April 2010
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This may be interesting

Prof Paul Zarembka from the State University of New York

“What is very interesting about their results is that the underlying reports that were made available to the 9/11 Commission (which we didn’t see until later) say that they could not examine the S&P 500 index options because trading in it is too extensive. Now why that becomes interesting is because the 9/11 Commission report had said that they made a wide-ranging study and they found no evidence of any sort of financial irregularities before 9/11, but also said the S&P 500 index options couldn’t even be investigated – so the commission is kind of contradicting itself.

“And more than that, when some did investigate the S&P 500 index options, they find out that in fact it did have abnormal trading before 9/11, with high probability.” (See: “Economists are scared” by Lars Schall, Asia Times Online, April 27, 2012.)

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These are just a few examples. It doesnt exactly prove everything, but these are things that would be alarming under any investigation on this scale.
 
lol @ this goofball,

Goverment want to take credit for saving the planet again of some hippie on prescription meds thinking silly thoughts?

Lol...If I saw this guy on the street with a bomb, I wouldnt need a 2nd Amendment, Ill just go up to him and kick his azz!!

Oh silly goverment, your worse than a used car salesman.

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Did You Know the Government Killed Martin Luther King, Jr.?

King died right before his planned march to lead a half-million people to Washington, D.C.

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In 1999, the King family launched a civil suit to expose the facts surrounding the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., and they discovered that government agents – not James Earl Ray – were responsible for King’s death.

“According to a Memphis jury’s verdict on December 8, 1999, in the wrongful death lawsuit of the King family versus Loyd Jowers [a Memphis restaurant owner] ‘and other unknown co-conspirators,’ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated by a conspiracy that included agencies of his own government,” Jim Douglass of radical.org reported. “Almost 32 years after King’s murder at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis on April 4, 1968, a court extended the circle of responsibility for the assassination beyond the late scapegoat James Earl Ray to the United States government.”

Jowers owned Jim’s Grill, the back door of which opened onto the bushes across from the Lorraine Motel where King was staying.

The bullet that killed King, which the government claimed was shot by Ray, was likely fired from one of these bushes behind the restaurant.

Lee Ann McAdoo breaks it all down in her very first report for Infowars in 2013:


After being arrested for King’s 1968 murder, James Earl Ray was advised by his attorney, Percy Foreman, to plead guilty in a pre-trial hearing.

Ray followed Foreman’s advice but three days later, Ray recanted the plea and fired Foreman. He then asked his judge for a trial but the judge refused, sentencing Ray to 99 years in prison.

A televised mock trial on HBO in 1993 was the closest Ray ever got to defending himself in court. The mock jury found Ray not guilty of King’s murder.

This verdict, along with further revelations later that year by Jowers, helped vindicate Ray in the eyes of King’s family.

Jowers appeared on ABC’s Primetime Live show and revealed a high-level conspiracy behind King’s assassination which used Ray as the scapegoat. Five years later, the King family pursued a wrongful death lawsuit against Jowers and the other unknown co-conspirators.

“I brought a civil action on behalf of the King family against Loyd Jowers and others who were involved in the assassination of Martin King,” Dr. William Francis Pepper, a friend to the late Dr. Martin Luther King, told Infowars.



This civil trial in Memphis lasted 30 days and involved over 70 witnesses, according to Pepper. He laid out all of the available evidence to show not only how King was killed, but also why he was killed.

Pepper argued before the jury that, true to Jowers’ earlier revelations, a wide range of individuals, including government officials, conspired against King, resulting in King’s death from a single shot by a sniper in the bushes outside Jowers’ restaurant.

“There was a military team there, an Alpha 184 team there, and they were backups. They did not kill Martin King,” Pepper said. “Martin was killed by a lone, contract gunman who got off that shot.”

“Now if he had not been successful, the military unit was there to make sure that Martin was killed.”

During the interview, Pepper explained that King died right before his planned march to lead a half-million people to Washington, D.C. to pressure congressmen on legislation.

“The military knew they didn’t have the forces to contain a mob of that size,” he said.

It only took the jury just shy of an hour to decide that Jowers and the other unknown co-conspirators were legally liable for King’s death.

Unfortunately this trial concluded a year after Ray’s death in prison, but the King family ultimately concluded Ray’s innocence.

“It enabled the King family to finally have closure,” Pepper said.
 
It’s Time to Declassify Those 28 Pages

Seeking the American government’s analysis of the 9/11 attacks, most people look to the 9/11 Commission Report. There is, however, another report that merits equal attention: the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001.

President George W. Bush censored 28 pages of this report—an entire section said to describe the involvement of specific foreign governments in the attacks. After reading it, Congressman Thomas Massie Invalid Link Removed the experience as “disturbing” and said, “I had to stop every two or three pages and rearrange my perception of history…it’s that fundamental.”

In the interest of achieving justice for victims and preventing future attacks, knowledge of foreign government involvement in 9/11 must be shared with the American people…and with the world.

28Pages.org works to build awareness of the 28 pages and bolster the growing, bipartisan movement to pressure Congress and the president to finally release them. Use 28Pages.org to Invalid Link Removed, Invalid Link Removed the 28 pages and learn Invalid Link Removed pressure the government to do the right thing.

Let’s make declassification a reality. Invalid Link Removed or Invalid Link Removed to Congress today.

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H.Res. 14

With the start of the 114th Congress in January 2015, the House resolution urging the president to declassify the 28 pages has a new number: H.Res. 14 is the new version of H.Res. 428, which was introduced by Republican North Carolina Representative Walter Jones and Massachusetts Representative Stephen Lynch in December 2013.

By the end of the 113th Congress, H.Res. 428 had 21 cosponsors. Congressman Jones’ office is coordinating to have the remaining 15 of those cosponsors (after the election, retirements and resignations) sign on to H.Res. 14. As they and other representatives join the new resolution, we’ll keep an up-to-date list here. Until then, in order of their addition, these were the H.Res. 428 cosponsors:

  • Stephen Lynch (D, MA-8)
  • Dana Rohrabacher (R, CA-48)
  • Michael Grimm (R, NY-11) – Resigned
  • Thomas Massie (R, KY-4)
  • Steve Stockman (R, TX-36) – Retired
  • Alcee Hastings (D, FL-20)
  • Paul Broun (R, GA-10) – Retired
  • Ted Yoho (R, FL-3)
  • Charles Rangel (D, NY-13)
  • John Duncan, Jr. (R, TN-2)
  • Howard Coble (R, NC-6) – Retired
  • Mark Sanford (R, SC-1)
  • James McGovern (D, MA-2)
  • Louise Slaughter (D, NY-25)
  • Lacy Clay (D, MO-1)
  • Vance McAllister (R, LA-5) – Lost election
  • Collin Peterson (D, MN-7)
  • Gene Green (D, TX-29)
  • Lloyd Doggett (D, TX-35)
  • Keith Ellison (D, MN-5)
  • Ed Pastor (D, AZ-7) – Retired
H.Res. 14

Urging the president to release information regarding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks upon the United States.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 2015​

Mr. JONES (for himself, Mr. LYNCH, and Mr. MASSIE) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Select Committee on Intelligence (Permanent Select)

RESOLUTION

Urging the president to release information regarding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks upon the United States.

Whereas President George W. Bush classified 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001;

Whereas the contents of the redacted pages are necessary for a full public understanding of the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, attacks upon the United States;

Whereas the executive branch’s decision to maintain the classified status of these pages prevents the people of the United States from having access to information about the involvement of certain foreign governments in the terrorist attacks of September 2001; and

Whereas the people of the United States and the families of the victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks deserve full and public disclosure of the results of the Joint Inquiry: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that–

(1) the President should declassify the 28-page section of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001; and

(2) the families of the victims and the people of the United States deserve answers about the events and circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001, attacks upon the United States.

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Taxpayers Pay A Quarter Million For Obama To Visit New Dictator King For Four Hours

Just in time for the first beheading under new Monarch

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by Steve Watson | January 27, 2015

President Obama will today stop in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for just four hours to meet the country’s new King and pay his respects to the widely perceived ‘butcher’ King Abdullah, who died on Friday – and it will cost US taxpayers a quarter of a million dollars.

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The White House schedule, released to the press, states that the Obamas will touchdown in Riyadh at 3:25pm, attend an introduction and a bilateral meeting, then have dinner the King’s opulent palace, before getting back on the plane to Washington at 7.30pm.

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The contracts for the costs state that “Miscellaneous Foreign Awardees” will collect the bills.
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That’s your tax dollars in action.

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And your point?

This isn't new for the Obama administration or any other administration....

Yeah, gotta love our hope and change dictator to stay the course.

Maybe he can put in another executive order (since he loves to run the office as a dictator) to release the classified 28 pages that he has been blocking to unclassify that show how his Saudi Arabian brothers he bows down to and worships have helped finance 9/11. 1/4 million of our money spent to visit and worship suppressive dictators as bad or worse than those he forces sanctions/wars on that could have instead gone to help poor people pay for their medical insurance he forces them to purchase.
 
This country is in so much trouble.
 
Move out then.


Still better than any other country out there.

Hell yeah it is....but if people dont point out its problems and stay politically active it wont be for much longer.

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
 
Move out then.

Still better than any other country out there.

Yeah let's just continue to lose our freedoms I mean as long as we're slightly better than North Korea no one should be too upset right????
 
Move out then.


Still better than any other country out there.

i suppose the british government told the colonists in america the same thing...if you don't like it leave!!!

unfortunately for us, there are too many people today that feel the way you do and are unwilling to stand up when the government thinks it knows what is best for it's constituents and no longer has to account to the people, or even pretend to do so.
 
Yeah let's just continue to lose our freedoms I mean as long as we're slightly better than North Korea no one should be too upset right????



Slightly better than North Korea? ?!?? It's this kind of idiocy and fear mongering that is the problem in this country.

What a dumb fuking comment....
 
Slightly better than North Korea? ?!?? It's this kind of idiocy and fear mongering that is the problem in this country.

What a dumb fuking comment....

You cant see that he used an extreme example to just exaggerate his statement to get his point across?
 
Slightly better than North Korea? ?!?? It's this kind of idiocy and fear mongering that is the problem in this country.

What a dumb fuking comment....

You should just relax a little bit,

Tell me some of your favorite hobbies or something? Watch any good movies lately?
 
You mad bro?

Haha no. I know it's hard to feel emotion through words, but no I'm not mad. It was more of me laughing loudly at how dumb you sound. This country has provided a bountiful of opportunities for me that North Korea never would be able too which makes me extremely happy and grateful.

Although I love the usual Internet "you mad bro" as your comeback.
 
Yes I can see it and that's EXACTLY the problem. They are ALL extreme examples! That's 100% THE PROBLEM!

If our founding fathers saw his post in relation to this country today, they would with absolute certainty agree with him.
 
If our founding fathers saw his post in relation to this country today, they would with absolute certainty agree with him.

if the founding fathers were alive today they would start a revolution.
 
Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but just found this link on Rick Collins twitter.

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Anyway, talks about how there is over 4400 crimes scattered throughout the federal criminal code.

While we're a loooong ways from being as bad off as North Korea, we are having our rights systematically taken away.

Ever hear of the carrot and the stick?

U.S. citizens are increasingly being told what carrots are ok to chase by the very people selling us those carrots and if we ever set our eyes on the "forbidden fruits" not deemed OK by the govt, they give us one hell of a stick. Thing is, there is a huge industry built around the production and application of those sticks as well.

I don't really know what we can we do about it though. I'll just say that I hate being told what carrots someone else has deemed worthy of pursuit.

I always thought it would be cool if all the dissenters pooled resources and purchased a kick ass little island nation and made our own rules.

Then when you start thinking about how to build your own govt., you start to see all the ways in which it can go wrong. A small concession here, a small concession there. An opportunity to obtain just a little extra money or power here and there, and eventually everything ends up f*cked. It is confusing stuff for sure.
 
Although I will say It is disappointing that the Internet allows people to say things with little to no accountability.

I know what you mean, but honestly, whatever veil of anonymity the internet gives us nowadays is crucial in the sense that it allows people to voice their opinion freely when they may otherwise be too afraid of losing their job or being alienated from their community due to having opinions that others might find "off-color" or radical.
 
If our founding fathers saw his post in relation to this country today, they would with absolute certainty agree with him.




This is another absurd statement. You have no clue what they would agree with. None. You're interpretation of anything doesn't mean it would be the same as theirs...
 
I know what you mean, but honestly, whatever veil of anonymity the internet gives us nowadays is crucial in the sense that it allows people to voice their opinion freely when they may otherwise be too afraid of losing their job or being alienated from their community due to having opinions that others might find "off-color" or radical.


True, but is that necessarily a good thing in every circumstance?

Would these same people on this thread agree with that if it was radical Islamic opinions that we're being expressed???
 
This is another absurd statement. You have no clue what they would agree with. None. You're interpretation of anything doesn't mean it would be the same as theirs...

He is mad bro!
 
He is mad bro!


Lol this is exactly what anyone that has nothing to offer says. There is no response to this which is what makes it so great. Regardless of what I say I always end up looking like "I'm mad." lol

This is the same kind of rhetoric that people use when they have nothing real to offer.

You mad at Obama bro? Lol
 
That's why I said veil of anonymity. It's not total anonymity. If govt agencies are worried about radical Islamic activities from someone on a message board they can find out who it is. You can hide your activity to an extent, but it's getting less all the time.

I still love this country and try to be optomistic about where it can go, but the gradual erosion of personal freedoms is starting to make a move more appealing.
 
This is another absurd statement. You have no clue what they would agree with. None. You're interpretation of anything doesn't mean it would be the same as theirs...

This current goverment has stripped all the Bill of Rights. Journalists are subpenaed to record levels, our right to own guns is incrementally being stripped, Americans can be detained and killed without question (also killing our first Amendment of freedom of speech, arrest for pre-crime,) the Federal Reserve central bank prints digital and paper money at will (moving from the gold and silver standard), the military is allowed to kick your door down rest in your quarters and force you to labor, the executive branch has become a dictatorship and war approvals have bypassed our elected officials to the United Nations NWO, our right to privacy eliminated, and so on.

The problem is most people dont worry about things until shyt really hits the fan, and by them its probably to late.

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.
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Lol this is exactly what anyone that has nothing to offer says. There is no response to this which is what makes it so great. Regardless of what I say I always end up looking like "I'm mad." lol

This is the same kind of rhetoric that people use when they have nothing real to offer.

You mad at Obama bro? Lol

Why would I want to "offer" anything? You've clearly expressed your opinion and by the way your acting what you say must be 100 percent truth. No one should question anything if we don't like where America is headed we should just all pack up and move. No criticism allowed!
 
US ranks 14th in education but hey it's OK because at least we aren't the worst.

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US ranks 14th in education but hey it's OK because at least we aren't the worst.

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We have 2nd (2nd to Seychelles) most prisoners per/ capita in the globe! Nothing like being 2nd place in a loser contest.

Speaking of North Korea, USA has 707 prisoners per 100k people, North Korea isnt on the official list but is estimated at 600-800 per 100k which makes them about equal to the USA. Just to add to the comparison, China has 124 or 172 per 100k depending on what you count.

With corporate run prisons given guaranteed occupancy rates, I expect the USA to have a full house all the time.

We dont want less of a labor work force to process our airline tickets and passports for 5 cents an hour.
 
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Except recently we've had the highest high school graduation rates since 1995, and drop out rate were at record low's. Also there's and increase in college graduation rates for the first time.


But hey it's ok don't let facts persuade you.


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Too many variables to consider and too much has changed technology wise to make any real comparison. One thing that has improved though - you no longer need a weedwhacker to get at a vagina


Lol. My point was that this country is no worse off than it was 70 years ago, and it sure isn't one step away from becoming the next North Korea.

This Fox News perception versus reality is the thing that's most bothersome to me.
 
Lol. My point was that this country is no worse off than it was 70 years ago, and it sure isn't one step away from becoming the next North Korea.

This Fox News perception versus reality is the thing that's most bothersome to me.

What matters today is Obama needs to be impeached and arrested for war crimes, abuse of powers, corruption and treason, as well as most of the congress and senate both Republicans and Democrats starting with John Boehner. They can all move to gitmo and then we can try to restore our unalienable Bill of Rights and live in a free society. My goal isnt to go back 70 years, but that is to move forward and make it better than ever with our Bill of Rights as our base structure.

I dont compromise my debate to protect my rights. If your in the goverment and take away 1 of our rights or tax me a single penny out of my income and labor, your as evil as North Korea.

Who the hell cares about Fox? I cant stand that channel and you think I share their perception? lol
 
Except recently we've had the highest high school graduation rates since 1995, and drop out rate were at record low's. Also there's and increase in college graduation rates for the first time.

But hey it's ok don't let facts persuade you.

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Again totally missing the point. At work do you strive to be the best or just better than your peers but not giving 100 percent?
 
Lol. My point was that this country is no worse off than it was 70 years ago, and it sure isn't one step away from becoming the next North Korea.

This Fox News perception versus reality is the thing that's most bothersome to me.

statistics can tell you a lot of things, but sometimes the right statistics aren't used for a truly valid judgement...using the same arguement that we don't know what the founding fathers would think of things today as being irrelevant, i also bring up the point that you have no way of knowing that this country is no worse off than 70 years ago....i can on the other hand say that people were more moral, empathetic, compassionate, had more manners, had more values, and were better behaved in the 70's than today.....i can say that from personal experience.

the united states has been in a moral decline since the viet nam war and jfk assassination when people who once trusted the government became aware how corrupt it really was.
 
statistics can tell you a lot of things, but sometimes the right statistics aren't used for a truly valid judgement...using the same arguement that we don't know what the founding fathers would think of things today as being irrelevant, i also bring up the point that you have no way of knowing that this country is no worse off than 70 years ago....i can on the other hand say that people were more moral, empathetic, compassionate, had more manners, had more values, and were better behaved in the 70's than today.....i can say that from personal experience. the united states has been in a moral decline since the viet nam war and jfk assassination when people who once trusted the government became aware how corrupt it really was.



Perception and reality are two very different things? You may have perceived that it was better, but in actuality may not have been.


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