Geoforce
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Again this has nothing to do with what I'm posting. It's changing the conversation like Easy was attempting.
Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
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Again this has nothing to do with what I'm posting. It's changing the conversation like Easy was attempting.
southpaw23
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Lol. You're talking to the same guy who refers to Mexicans as beaners. Forms bro-jams around his opinions. I mean really credible stuff here, especially when you consider that he's reviewed a couple of fatburners. Now that's a heck of a resume.
Ballesteri
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If you are going to make statements like that you need to identify who it is targeted toward
ax1
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This is an alternative media thread. Im not going to rely on "credible media" or public law enforcement (this doesnt mean I dont like cops, lol) to tell me the truth. Of course if there is a cover up you wont get much out of either since "credible media" will be reporting the "official" story.
I dont think your getting the gist of my point...I dont think anyone should believe this or that, or conclude anything but when a major event happens goverment (its criminal elements anyways) is always suspect. Just because I say suspect I dont mean I always assume they are always guilty.
southpaw23
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Not you. Two choices left...
southpaw23
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Geoforce
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Just that all your posts will point to one conclusion....they are guilty.
As for Alex Jones and "alternative media..." no reason to think he could have any ulterior motives? I mean he does have quite a few hits and a certain level of fame from blaming the government for everything. And not surprisingly he DOES always come to the same conclusion. And in a huge hurry....after all that's what gets youtube hits, people to the site, and him on TV shows.
southpaw23
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Or maybe that's just what the government wants you to think. Or do they? Or don't they. And who are they? Are they coming for us? If they do come for us, when? These are all important questions that Alex poses as well as the Looney Tunes series.
ax1
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One more post before I go....lol
I use multiple sources of alternative media, one of my favorites is globalresearch.ca and I like Webster Tarpley, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts as well as others.
Anyways...yeah I frequent Alex and he has impressed me with some of his reporting. Doesnt mean I believe or agree with all his points or reporting. I dont trust him or anyone to tell me how to think or what to believe.
Geoforce
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This thread then (if you say you don't agree with a lot posted) seems like a very weird way of saying...."I'm not saying they did it, but look at all this...but I'm not saying I believe it, but look at all this." It's like the Texas sharpshooter fallacy on steroids in here.
I have no problems with people asking questions, not trusting the government, or the press or any of that. I frequently do all these things. I think it's very American and beneficial. That is not what I'm talking about. I do find it quite odd that your posts are all centered on big government, new world order type stuff, then you claim to not believe everything you post. Which is again, quite odd. I don't know why you'd post so many articles about stuff and then turn around and say "well I don't actually think that" like you did with the hurricane.
But this is your baby and I'll get out of it. Until the next bad thing happens when Alex Jones will pop up and find some way to KNOW it was an inside job. All part of the plan.
I'm not a psychic and I already know all of his reactions and who's fault whatever happens next will be. That ALONE makes me not trust him, even getting past all the logical leaps.
Ballesteri
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Lol.. cry wolf a time to many and they shall not hear
ax1
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Posting on my phone so keep this short...
If you want my opinion ill share it but I've said it since the beginning, it's not my opinion I wanted people to focus on, but rather people to think for themselves and form their own judgment on various things I post. My only goal is to try to open some people's minds. This thread isn't everybody's cup of tea.
Just because I don't "think" the hurricane was steered or manipulated by science, I don't see what the big deal is if I post about it. We should question no matter how taboo things sound. If there was anything good that came out of it, it was to try to show the capabilities that government does have in manipulating the weather. I just can't prove to myself or anyone hurricane sandy was in fact manipulated by government so why should I conclude on that? I won't, but it should be talked about.
ax1
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I mean it when I say this...you are always welcome in my thread! I really love many of your political views and have learned things from you in the past and influenced my thinking.
ax1
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Now that is absolutely true!! Alex told me.
southpaw23
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The Tupac variety? I'll take it...all eyes on me. I'm actually part of a bike gang (schwinn) we ride around the neighborhood and just wave at people, it's all cloak and dagger meets false flag meets boredom meets I need a new hobby.
Ballesteri
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southpaw23
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Except, I wouldn't be anything like Holmes. I come ready to swing for the fences. Fox went and got the one guy that has a vagina...go figure. I'd be more like O'Reilly. I enjoy swinging back. You should tune it, it would be fun!
southpaw23
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Cool a facebook meme, that's about as legit as it gets. What is her full name?
ax1
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Thanks for contributing to my thread.
I dunno, the first pic makes no mention of death. I think some of the Newtown people went over the the marathon to participate. Its a small world and its certainly possibly she could have been at both events.
southpaw23
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If any pic stands out to me so far that looks interesting that I havent noticed (if anyone has let me know) mention on mainstream media is this one. Dunno if this is authentic.
There is an onlooker on the roof as the bomb exploded.
This was posted on Daily Mail in the UK.
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There is an onlooker on the roof as the bomb exploded.
This was posted on Daily Mail in the UK.
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ax1
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No southpaw...until you see Alex say so then just cool it for now, lol
southpaw23
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ax1
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You 9/11 tinhatted goofer toothers are all the same, always going on blogs, youtubes, twitter for the news rather than well educated college accredited well mannered professional news journalists.
southpaw23
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Interview With Boston Marathon Eyewitness Confirms Bomb Squad Drill
Anthony Gucciardi
April 17, 2013
In an exclusive interview, I just finished speaking with key Boston Marathon eyewitness and running participant Invalid Link Removed, who has confirmed to me that drills were taking place the morning of the Boston Marathon complete with bomb squads and rooftop snipers.
Alastair’s initial statements towards the Invalid Link Removed news publication regarding the Boston Marathon training exercises ignited a firestorm within the alternative media, despite being only around two sentences in length. Now, Alastair has been given a forum to voice the entirety of what he saw as a participant and coach Invalid Link Removed Boston Marathon — something that Alastair says he has never seen before despite participating in much larger races around the world.
As you can watch in the video above, Alastair detailed what went on before the race began:
“At the start at the event, at the Athlete’s Village, there were people on the roof looking down onto the Village at the start. There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn’t be concerned and that it was just a drill. And maybe it was just a drill, but I’ve never seen anything like that — not at any marathon that I’ve ever been to. You know, that just concerned me that that’s the only race that I’ve seen in my life where they had dogs sniffing for explosions, and that’s the only place where there had been explosions.”
And Alastair is speaking from serious experience. As a veteran of marathons and a coach at the University of Mobile in Alabama, Alastair knows about how marathons traditionally go down.
The interview with Alastair clarifies his former statements regarding the presence of bomb squads and bomb sniffing dogs that went mega viral on the web, and also serves to better understand what the reality is behind this situation. As Alastair details, there was definitely a drill taking place the morning of the marathon, and it appears police were likely aware of a dangerous threat that required a large degree of action to counteract.
This post originally appeared at Invalid Link Removed
Anthony Gucciardi
April 17, 2013
In an exclusive interview, I just finished speaking with key Boston Marathon eyewitness and running participant Invalid Link Removed, who has confirmed to me that drills were taking place the morning of the Boston Marathon complete with bomb squads and rooftop snipers.
Alastair’s initial statements towards the Invalid Link Removed news publication regarding the Boston Marathon training exercises ignited a firestorm within the alternative media, despite being only around two sentences in length. Now, Alastair has been given a forum to voice the entirety of what he saw as a participant and coach Invalid Link Removed Boston Marathon — something that Alastair says he has never seen before despite participating in much larger races around the world.
As you can watch in the video above, Alastair detailed what went on before the race began:
“At the start at the event, at the Athlete’s Village, there were people on the roof looking down onto the Village at the start. There were dogs with their handlers going around sniffing for explosives, and we were told on a loud announcement that we shouldn’t be concerned and that it was just a drill. And maybe it was just a drill, but I’ve never seen anything like that — not at any marathon that I’ve ever been to. You know, that just concerned me that that’s the only race that I’ve seen in my life where they had dogs sniffing for explosions, and that’s the only place where there had been explosions.”
And Alastair is speaking from serious experience. As a veteran of marathons and a coach at the University of Mobile in Alabama, Alastair knows about how marathons traditionally go down.
The interview with Alastair clarifies his former statements regarding the presence of bomb squads and bomb sniffing dogs that went mega viral on the web, and also serves to better understand what the reality is behind this situation. As Alastair details, there was definitely a drill taking place the morning of the marathon, and it appears police were likely aware of a dangerous threat that required a large degree of action to counteract.
This post originally appeared at Invalid Link Removed
Geoforce
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Ax: Do you or do you not think that Alex Jones has a significant financial incentive to constantly play the inside job horn?
He has an article on yahoo news right now about him. He has numerous hits on his site and youtube account. He gets talked about all the time after a tragedy because he is guaranteed to take the controversial side of things. He gets invited to CNN. His website is plastered with advertisements. And you don't find it the least bit suspicious at the quickness of his "investigating" on much of this? It doesn't give you pause to see him immediately jump to the conclusion AN HOUR after the blast?
It's never a multitude of people on his "journalism." It's a few people here and there maybe. Occam's razor doesn't exist in his world. I just don't see how you can have such a hard time trusting media outlets but have no problems trusting him and the people he finds (who are always vastly in the minority) to feed his obvious anti-government agenda. And while it is always easy for him to come up with a reason for why (yeah, now the TSA can grope you dude!), it's difficult for people to come up with a reason for why he ALWAYS comes to the same conclusion? Seems like a no brainer to me.
I'd be much more inclined to believe some of his stuff if it wasn't so predictable. Anytime ANYTHING happens you know where he is going to go with it. He has the same formula for everything. And the rational human in you doesn't see that as a very telling sign that he may be full of **** on much of what he says?
He found a profitable scam. You can make money and become borderline famous by declaring every tragedy that ever happens (including the goddamn weather) a government conspiracy. He is the best in this country at it.
He has an article on yahoo news right now about him. He has numerous hits on his site and youtube account. He gets talked about all the time after a tragedy because he is guaranteed to take the controversial side of things. He gets invited to CNN. His website is plastered with advertisements. And you don't find it the least bit suspicious at the quickness of his "investigating" on much of this? It doesn't give you pause to see him immediately jump to the conclusion AN HOUR after the blast?
It's never a multitude of people on his "journalism." It's a few people here and there maybe. Occam's razor doesn't exist in his world. I just don't see how you can have such a hard time trusting media outlets but have no problems trusting him and the people he finds (who are always vastly in the minority) to feed his obvious anti-government agenda. And while it is always easy for him to come up with a reason for why (yeah, now the TSA can grope you dude!), it's difficult for people to come up with a reason for why he ALWAYS comes to the same conclusion? Seems like a no brainer to me.
I'd be much more inclined to believe some of his stuff if it wasn't so predictable. Anytime ANYTHING happens you know where he is going to go with it. He has the same formula for everything. And the rational human in you doesn't see that as a very telling sign that he may be full of **** on much of what he says?
He found a profitable scam. You can make money and become borderline famous by declaring every tragedy that ever happens (including the goddamn weather) a government conspiracy. He is the best in this country at it.
southpaw23
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I think we're giving Alex too much credit, he's not that intelligent as to have thought this whole thing through. He's like a lot of guys who are low on education, they cling to emotional arguments because that's that the only way they're able to interpret the world. Problems in your life? Blame the government (and yes the government should be questioned...on both sides). Not earning a lot of money in your life? Blame welfare recipients, easier to do that than look in the mirror and take responsibility for your own education/career choices. I'll take a moderate like Colin Powell versus an extremist like McConnell, Ryan or Boehner everyday of the week.
ax1
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Alex is not my mentor so I dunno how to answer this. I prefer to look at specific content and take everything on an individual basis and decide how to take it from there. I dont know why you say I have no problem trusting Alex Jones when I consistently say I dont trust anyone or agree with everything he says.
I dont base my beliefs off of popularity polls, so if Im in the minority or majority its totally irrelevant to looking at content and trying to form my own judgment, the same thing I tell everyone else to do.
I dunno...I never read Alex as anti-gov....I see him as very pro-goverment. I dunno why anyone has to love or like the current regime to be "pro-government." Government indefinitely needs to be checked by its citizens. Profitable scam? Well, you dont know that and I dont know that with absolute certainty.
AE14
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I have tried to stay out of this, but I will just say one thing. The constant "government did it" is,old at this point. We need to come to grips with the fact that people do hate america and want to cause it harm.
The reason I left the thread was its predictability. No matter what happens, there is no research being done, just blame on the "evil government". It's silly and has no basis in reality.
I will say that there is a difference in asking questions of the government and constantly assigning it blame. .
ax1
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My message isnt "blame evil government" but to consistently check their tracks for both lies and false flags. Government forever needs to be checked by its citizens. Once that gets old and people become tamed and comfortable, I dont see a positive future for us. People need to come to grips that not only do some people hate america...but that government consistently abuses power on its own people.
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southpaw23
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Geoforce
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Again though your posts don't EVER highlight anything except the message that it was an inside job, they set this up, the government did this.
The government abusing it's power is nowhere new, but acting as if the government abusing its power means they are consistently in charge of all these horrible things is quite the leap.
And again if you don't believe most of what you post then it's just a very strange way to go about things that I guess I don't understand.
The implications from the links in this thread from you point to one logical conclusion: The U.S. government or some type of New World Order is responsible for virtually anything tragic that has happened over the course of this closing on 100 page thread. It is the ONLY conclusion one can come to when reading what you post. The fact that you don't ever mention what you actually believe makes it even weirder to post all these constant conspiracy theories.
It is HIGHLY irrational (not saying it couldn't be, but still) to come to the conclusions of your posts on so many different events. It is also quite weird for you to talk about not believing some of them and never to present evidence that is contradictory to what you post.
Just my .02 cents. The thread has started a lot of great conversations, but some things about it are quite odd
southpaw23
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This is 98 pages of a guy saying...welcome to "my" thread. "My" job is to search for the truth. "My...my...my. We got it, it's about "you."
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ax1
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Im not sure what kind of research your looking for...I dont think its fair to say "no research" is being done. I mean, I always speak of the Bilderberger group in the past, and just the other day I posted an article about how the President of the Supreme Court of Italy is linking the Bildeberg group to European terrorist organization and have launched attacks around Europe to promote a political agenda.
I mean what else am I supposed to do? Isnt that not following up with more research on past topics Ive discussed? Does it not matter when I post unclassified documents, military documents, eyewitness accounts, even use mainstream sources to help support things I speak of in my thread? Its just the internet, I mean you will never find absolute definitive answers here, nor should we ever conclude on anything. But to say no research is being done on my part I dont think thats an accurate or fair statement. I feel you are using a generalization to discredit everything as a whole.
Anyways...off to see grandma...will be back later (or on my phone, lol).
ax1
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Again though your posts don't EVER highlight anything except the message that it was an inside job, they set this up, the government did this.
The government abusing it's power is nowhere new, but acting as if the government abusing its power means they are consistently in charge of all these horrible things is quite the leap.
And again if you don't believe most of what you post then it's just a very strange way to go about things that I guess I don't understand.
The implications from the links in this thread from you point to one logical conclusion: The U.S. government or some type of New World Order is responsible for virtually anything tragic that has happened over the course of this closing on 100 page thread. It is the ONLY conclusion one can come to when reading what you post. The fact that you don't ever mention what you actually believe makes it even weirder to post all these constant conspiracy theories.
It is HIGHLY irrational (not saying it couldn't be, but still) to come to the conclusions of your posts on so many different events. It is also quite weird for you to talk about not believing some of them and never to present evidence that is contradictory to what you post.
Just my .02 cents. The thread has started a lot of great conversations, but some things about it are quite odd
It's all good man...people react differently about this stuff. I dunno around my circles growing up its totally norm.
Thanks for your feedback though, Repectful criticism is something I like to soak in and grow better from it.
southpaw23
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Aka...a circle jerk.
ax1
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It's going to be up to you decide if its relevant or not. Now infowars sourced and linked the Italian news source that ran the interview with the president of the Supreme Court, so using "oh it's from Alex" doesn't discredit the content. I do read some Italian and did use google translate to read with clarity and check source.
No one else in the US is covering this so Im going to use an infowars article.
southpaw23
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Lol. C'mon man, you can try and fool people, but you can't fool yourself. You post the same material over and over and over again, do over, over and under and then back over again. You get circle jerked by the same subset of guys (mostly Easy whose biggest claim to fame is knowing how to review fatburners) and you call that credible? :/
ax1
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What about the material? Stop generalizing all the time, be specific. So what's your issue with any particular specific article?
southpaw23
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I'm not generalizing. I'm being honest. You think other guys don't want to say the same thing? I just happen not to care one way or the other.
Anyway, my issue is that you come on here daily (seriously get out of the house) with an already predetermined narrative, post links from sources supporting that narrative and somehow try to pass that off as "unbiased journalism." Lol. That passes for credibility these days? Look at your sources, think about what you're asking me, then answer your own question.
southpaw23
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Also it's nothing personal with you. I disagree with your approach. We are alright. Your circle jerk partner, however, tool box with a bow on it.
ax1
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Which article and content? I have posted many articles and sources and may have varied opinions on each individual content. I can't over generalize doesn't work that way for me.
ax1
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Who is my partner?