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Top 5 "must have supplements?"

EBF Inc said:
I'm a huge fan of octopamine

Hugeeeee fan


Love it
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Likewise, tricky little eight legged fat burner that he is.

Very underrated, been feelin real good since i've been running that and the myo inostol.

And because beta3 receptors are so resistant to adapting, it means i can give the other receptors a break for once.
 
huxley309 said:
Likewise, tricky little eight legged fat burner that he is. Very underrated, been feelin real good since i've been running that and the myo inostol. And because beta3 receptors are so resistant to adapting, it means i can give the other receptors a break for once.
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Id dose it higher if I were you and add olive leaf extract
 
EBF Inc said:
Id dose it higher if I were you and add olive leaf extract
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I've only been dosing it on an as need basis, i feel it's enough as im on holiday.

Back at work next week so i'm sure it'll be kicked up a notch or two.

As for olive leaf, i've been running alphamine a number of months, so giving most things a break just to reset the clock a bit.
 
Creatine, Betaine, Soy Lethicin, Nitrates & probably Alphamine as the best stim I've had.
 
it's wintertime....where is the vit D?

doesn't anyone use fish oil anymore?
 
The Solution said:
Multi - to help cover micronutrients you may not get from your diet
Fishoil - To help with omega 3's i cannot eat fish so this is necessary
Creatine -- Cheap + very beneficial for performance, strength, endurnace
Whey --> To help reach protein needs
Vitamin D3 (i work inside all the time and never see sunlight), Enzymes or Probiotic (Digestion)
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You, sir, are the winner.

Exactly my daily routine. These should be called "essentials" rather than "supplements", as they are the only compounds that will make a difference on the long run.
 
huxley309 said:
Yup and it's very good, nice and clean no jitters.
As for ashwaghanda it's a good immune booster, anti oxidant, anti inflammatory and helps cut anxiety.

Myo inostol is another one to look at, boosts vo2 Max.
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You may want to read more on octopamine:

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It is not only not lipolytic, but actually lipogenic (promotes fat gain)
 
huxley309 said:
Aside from the obvious ones

Forskolin
Ashwaghanda
Octopamine
5-htp
Cissus
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Random BUT...i take 5-HTP after I've been drinking before I pass out that night. I generally wake up 3-5 hours later feeling like I've had a full nights rest & minimal hangover. Is this placebo or some science behind it?
 
Excluding vit, minerals and protein:

Creatine
BA
Betaine
Omega 3s
Aminos (not absolutely necessary given proper protein intake, but I feel they help)

Extras: Forskolin, Caffeine, Cissus, Soy Granuals
 
kboxer7 said:
Excluding vit, minerals and protein:

Creatine
BA
Betaine
Omega 3s
Aminos (not absolutely necessary given proper protein intake, but I feel they help)

Extras: Forskolin, Caffeine, Cissus, Soy Granuals
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lol cheatiest cheat post ever boxer.
 
klind14 said:
Unfortunately, that's one of the reasons I stopped using Orange Triad. It was shown to be more than 50% higher in folic acid than what the label claimed-]

A bit unfair to single out OT. Virtually all multi vits in that list had one or more ingredients where dosages were incorrect. I take it you're not taking any multi vit?
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ucheoma said:
klind14 said:
Unfortunately, that's one of the reasons I stopped using Orange Triad. It was shown to be more than 50% higher in folic acid than what the label claimed-]

A bit unfair to single out OT. Virtually all multi vits in that list had one or more ingredients where dosages were incorrect. I take it you're not taking any multi vit?
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Maybe he will swing by here on New Year's eve of this year and get back to you.
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USPlabsRep said:
I would rethink it...

Well, I certainly don't like that....

Going to read the full text later when I have more time. I've leaned out a lot while on SL but...
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The Solution said:
kboxer7 said:
" Our data suggest that lecithin is involved in adipogenesis, lipogenesis and hepatic lipid accumulation and it is implicated in obesity and hepatic steatosis."
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Yeah doesn't look good on the surface. Couldn't find any info on the full text right now regarding to what extent those were impacted. Maybe I can dig up some more studies/info later. Regardless, impact of those factors by any measurable means prob isn't a good thing.

And I was just about to order more Fearn : (

Might have to find bulk PA. It should also be noted that Soy-derived Phosphatidic Acid, Lysophosphatidic acid AND Phosphatidylserine are sufficient to induce an increase in mTOR signaling per studies.

I know Nutra sells bulk Phosphatidylserine.
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Young Gotti said:
a lot of vitamins labels have been shown to be incorrect, with certain vitamins too much is harmful, so thats where it's coming from.....however even if multi's at an affordable price or what many might view as affordable are still beneficial for overall health in many adults
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Actually too much, sometimes grossly so, and the wrong forms in many Multi vitamins.

I stopped use except for a few single vitamins and focus on getting over 5 full servings of fruits and veggies.
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
Are BCAAs necessary if you are already taking in an adequate amount of protein everyday?
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No
BCAA's = Protein
If your meeting intake you just taking in more protein
More protein is not always better, its probably the effective macro when in a surplus once your minimums are met.

"here’s nothing inherently wrong or unhealthy about consuming more protein (within reason) than your body can use to build muscle. The excess will simply be used as energy. No, your kidneys are not going to explode! However, there are a couple reasons why this may not be the best idea. One, protein makes a terrible energy source. You would be much better off just getting energy from the macronutrients your body is designed to get energy from – Carbohydrates and Fat. Eating more protein does NOT translate to building more muscle. Eating extra protein is equivalent to eating more carbs, just a less efficient version of carbs."

^^ Alan Aragon
 
My top 5 would currently be

Creatine mono
Cittruline
Beta alanine
Bcaa intra workout
Stim pre
 
Protein
Epicatchen
Creatine(I would but my hair falls out too much so no more for me lol)
Preworkout
 
my top 5 supps would be
1. Protein powder for when i need to fit my macros
2. fish oil, really dont eat enought fish and the benefits are there
3. caffeine/Pre workout, one because I every now and then i NEED a kick, plus im basically addicted to pre workout lol
4. bcaas, when i dont have protein or want something to sip on with taste
5.Vit B. Always a good alternative to caffeine for me
 
USPlabsRep said:
The Solution said:
AKA helps making fat easy peasy...
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From reading over the full text- the only really conclusive, usable and replicated clinical data I found from this study reinforces that those with fatty liver disease should avoid excess fat in their diet. The rest of the findings are in no way conclusive and the hypotheses formed, mentioned in the discussion, have more or less been abandoned since this was published in 2009. Considering this is a recent area of research (obesity and adipogenesis) that received much attention- you would think that a landmark paper such as this would be subject to further investigation. It doesn't appear to be.

The authors postulate that it may be fatty acid components such as oleic acid acting as PPAR-gamma activators and inducing the rapid adipocyte differentiation observed in their study. I'm by no means well-versed in this area- but it seems that this is a rather loose hypothesis given oleic acid has significantly lower affinity for nuclear PPAR-gamma than rosiglitazone (a thiazolidinedione-->pharmaceutical PPAR-gamma activator) however in the experimental conditions lecithin caused adipocyte differentiation about 7 times faster.
Additionally, it is mentioned that there is an early stage of adipocyte differentiation (clonal expansion) essentially circumvented when lecithin is used as the inducer. It is mentioned that this elusive mechanism requires 'clarification'. Given that there is no follow up research and that there is no related research citing this paper I would say that the correct term would be 'identification' and not 'clarification'.
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Matthew1237 said:
USPlabsRep said:
Would be nice to see some logs of people who are using soy lecithin
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I didn't run a public log but I posted a lot of my results in the two big PA threads on this board. Should be easy to find them using the search box.

Long story short I used SL for a source of PA for my recomp leading into and thru summer....so around 4 months now. I put on measurable size and decreased bf by a very noticeable amt while maintaining my same weight give or take 1-4 lbs.
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kboxer7 said:
Matthew1237 said:
I didn't run a public log but I posted a lot of my results in the two big PA threads on this board. Should be easy to find them using the search box.

Long story short I used SL for a source of PA for my recomp leading into and thru summer....so around 4 months now. I put on measurable size and decreased bf by a very noticeable amt while maintaining my same weight give or take 1-4 lbs.
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Where can i get this soy lecithin stuff i keep hearing about?
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furion said:
USPlabsRep said:
From reading over the full text- the only really conclusive, usable and replicated clinical data I found from this study reinforces that those with fatty liver disease should avoid excess fat in their diet. The rest of the findings are in no way conclusive and the hypotheses formed, mentioned in the discussion, have more or less been abandoned since this was published in 2009. Considering this is a recent area of research (obesity and adipogenesis) that received much attention- you would think that a landmark paper such as this would be subject to further investigation. It doesn't appear to be.

The authors postulate that it may be fatty acid components such as oleic acid acting as PPAR-gamma activators and inducing the rapid adipocyte differentiation observed in their study. I'm by no means well-versed in this area- but it seems that this is a rather loose hypothesis given oleic acid has significantly lower affinity for nuclear PPAR-gamma than rosiglitazone (a thiazolidinedione-->pharmaceutical PPAR-gamma activator) however in the experimental conditions lecithin caused adipocyte differentiation about 7 times faster.
Additionally, it is mentioned that there is an early stage of adipocyte differentiation (clonal expansion) essentially circumvented when lecithin is used as the inducer. It is mentioned that this elusive mechanism requires 'clarification'. Given that there is no follow up research and that there is no related research citing this paper I would say that the correct term would be 'identification' and not 'clarification'.
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Thanks for the summary here. I haven't had a chance yet to dig into this just yet.
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pfresh said:
kboxer7 said:
Where can i get this soy lecithin stuff i keep hearing about?
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I get mine from Swanson, but choose your store of choice.

Fearn and Optima granuals are the two most popular choices with Fearn #1 I'd say. I'm about to grab another 8 tubs : )
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kboxer7 said:
Matthew1237 said:
I didn't run a public log but I posted a lot of my results in the two big PA threads on this board. Should be easy to find them using the search box.

Long story short I used SL for a source of PA for my recomp leading into and thru summer....so around 4 months now. I put on measurable size and decreased bf by a very noticeable amt while maintaining my same weight give or take 1-4 lbs.
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That's exactly what I thought. Any idea where I could get SL in Canada cheap?
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Matthew1237 said:
kboxer7 said:
That's exactly what I thought. Any idea where I could get SL in Canada cheap?
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No clue about Canada (I'm in the US). If you have a lot of trouble finding it my guess is you could find it on Amazon as a last resort. Maybe some others can chime in that are CA based.
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