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Took 3-AD by mistake.

WhoopsOops

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Hello all!

This is going to sound really stupid, and in all fairness it is really stupid, but just bear with me. I’m 23, been lifting for years, and have been natty the whole time. A friend recommended I try BLR Androgin and I loved the way that made my sleep feel more restful, so when the same friend offered me a bottle of Enhanced Labs 3-AD I took it without thinking. He explained that ‘prohormone’ was really ‘pro-hormone,’ in the sense that it was just something to support your hormones, so I thought no harm no foul I’ll try it out.

About two weeks pass and my brain turns back on and I go “Huh maybe I should do any amount of research on this pill I’m taking,” and so now I know what prohormones really are lol. But as far as Enhanced Labs 3-AD goes, the internet seems really confused. I can’t seem to find any studies (just on my phone), and it looks like there’s 2 or 3 products marketed under ‘3-AD’ by different supp companies, and I don’t think that the comments sections of a Connor Murphy video is really a great source of info.

Anyways, could someone enlighten as regards this? Is this a real PH or a glorified test booster? Am I going to blow up in the gym or are these sugar pills? Do I need to look at a PCT, regardless of what the marketing says?

Thank you! Sorry if this is the wrong place or format, first post and all that.
 
Yea bro it's an actual prohormone and will have the effects and side-effects of one. So think carefully about whether you want to go down that route at your age (I absolutely wouldn't). I don't know anyone younger than 30ish who has done everything they can to maximize natty gains via training and diet for 10 years. If you do choose to use it, make sure you get some on cycle support and real PCT (a serm), and read as much about 3AD on this forum as you can find. It's not a super well researched compound, as you discovered, and not one I'd recommend for a first cycle.
 
composner said:
Yea bro it's an actual prohormone and will have the effects and side-effects of one. So think carefully about whether you want to go down that route at your age (I absolutely wouldn't). I don't know anyone younger than 30ish who has done everything they can to maximize natty gains via training and diet for 10 years. If you do choose to use it, make sure you get some on cycle support and real PCT (a serm), and read as much about 3AD on this forum as you can find. It's not a super well researched compound, as you discovered, and not one I'd recommend for a first cycle.
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Thanks y’all the great responses! I’d quote both responses in here but idk how to lol. I stopped taking if after about 2.5 weeks when it really dawned on me that I shouldn’t be messing with this stuff until I knew more—is that enough time to warrant using a pct? Or since it was so short am I safe to recover naturally? Thanks for the input and the warnings! I’ll be sure to keep staying away from this stuff. PCT or not, I have a doctors appointment in a little over a month where I can bring this up, too.
 
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WhoopsOops said:
Thanks for the great response! I’d quote both responses in here but idk how to lol. I stopped taking if after about 2.5 weeks when it really dawned on me that I shouldn’t be messing with this stuff until I knew more—is that enough time to warrant using a pct? Or since it was so short am I safe to recover naturally? Thanks for the input and the warnings! I’ll be sure to keep staying away from this stuff
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There's no way to know for sure without bloodwork if you need a PCT at this point, but other guys might have a better idea than me (and if others don't start chiming in here soon I'll tag a couple who might know). 2.5 weeks is kinda borderline for me. Do you know the dosage you were taking?

Or one thing you could consider is hopping on a decent quality aromatase inhibitor like DIM - low cost, low risk, and would help you recover if needed.

If you have the interest and budget for it there are lots of natty supplements advertised here that will help you out in the gym.
 
If it was me, given the compound and relatively short duration Id buy a couple of really good natural test boosting supplements, something fron SNS for example.
 
composner said:
There's no way to know for sure without bloodwork if you need a PCT at this point, but other guys might have a better idea than me (and if others don't start chiming in here soon I'll tag a couple who might know). 2.5 weeks is kinda borderline for me. Do you know the dosage you were taking?

Or one thing you could consider is hopping on a decent quality aromatase inhibitor like DIM - low cost, low risk, and would help you recover if needed.

If you have the interest and budget for it there are lots of natty supplements advertised here that will help you out in the gym.
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I was just taking the recommended dose on the bottle (75mg), though I might have missed a day or two (which I realize isn’t a lot out of like 18 days lol).

As for natty supplements, that’s actually how I found this forum in the first place lol, but yeah I’ll be sure to stick with those for a good long while before I look at anything else. And before I accept random pills blindly lol.

I’ve got a testosterone test in my cart on let’s get checked so I may as well go and finish that order
 
Nac said:
If it was me, given the compound and relatively short duration Id buy a couple of really good natural test boosting supplements, something fron SNS for example.
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I’ve got a bottle of m-test from SNS at home, but I heard it wasn’t worth taking since I have normal test ranges for my age so I stopped taking it; I’ll dig that back out and finish the bottle to be safe then

(I think m-test is sns but I can’t load the sns/cel page on my current mobile roaming data)
 
WhoopsOops said:
I’ve got a bottle of m-test from SNS at home, but I heard it wasn’t worth taking since I have normal test ranges for my age so I stopped taking it; I’ll dig that back out and finish the bottle to be safe then

(I think m-test is sns but I can’t load the sns/cel page on my current mobile roaming data)
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Yea M-Test could be a great option for you if you're mildly suppressed, as I expect you probably are. Do you know your test levels from before the 3-AD? If you know what the let's get checked tests have given you before then getting re-tested is a good idea, although I'd start taking the M-Test now rather than wait a week or more for the results.
 
composner said:
Yea M-Test could be a great option for you if you're mildly suppressed, as I expect you probably are. Do you know your test levels from before the 3-AD? If you know what the let's get checked tests have given you before then getting re-tested is a good idea, although I'd start taking the M-Test now rather than wait a week or more for the results.
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I got checked via them on a whim (saw an ad for a sale or discount code or something) in the spring a while before I took the 3ad, so I’ve got the number from beforehand. New test is ordered and I’ll start that bottle of m-test when I get home in a few days
 
Thank you all for the prompt and helpful replies! I wasn’t expecting half as much of that on a Sunday afternoon lol; this has taken a lot of the anxiety away phew
 
Hey guys, you guys forgot to recommend a “Test base”, I’ve heard adding that is when the magic is happening… 🙄

#Testbase4life
 
You have received some very good advice.

Let me offer a well-intended suggestion, one that may make me sound like a dick. I hope not.

You did not take 3-AD by mistake. Meaning, you didn't take 3-AD believing is was, for example, aspirin.

What you did, honestly and without any malice intended on my part, is intentionally take 3-AD without really understanding it. And, that is OK, but it was a bad decision, not a mistake.

A mistake is grabbing blue socks, thinking they were black. Taking a substance, unless it was marked incorrectly, results from a decision (good or bad).

FWIW - I've made a ton of bad decisions. None of the were mistakes.

Why be such a wordsmith or a jerk, you may ask? People are increasingly referring to intentional decisions that have bad or unforeseen consequences, as mistakes, when they really aren't. I think this is increasingly being done as a means of someone trying to reduce personal responsibility for the acts or omission they've intentionally chosen, as if it "just happened".

For example, not too long ago I heard a guy say that cheating on his wife was "the worst mistake in his life". Unless he believed he was having sex with his wife, but - surprise - the naked woman laying next to (or under) him was somehow someone else, that was hardly a mistake. I am pretty sure sticking your unit in some naked broad is almost certainly an intentional decision, not some foreseen random act, and while it may have been a bad decision, it wasn't a mistake.

I hold that old guy logic makes sense.
 
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3AD is just a brand name, the hormone itself is properly called Dehydroandrosterol. It's not a true PH, just an obscure adrenal H, lol.

Good luck finding anything about it online though. You'd probably have to spend hours in a large government library or medical research repository to even find it casually mentioned! I know it well though, I introduced the ingredient.

75mg/day should not be a prob. If you were only on for a few weeks your HTPA has likely bounced back already, so don't be surprised if your test levels are actually 50-100 points higher that usual with your next round of blood work. ;)
 
Beau said:
You have received some very good advice.

Let me offer a well-intended suggestion, one that may make me sound like a dick. I hope not.

You did not take 3-AD by mistake. Meaning, you didn't take 3-AD believing is was, for example, aspirin.

What you did, honestly and without any malice intended on my part, is intentionally take 3-AD without really understanding it. And, that is OK, but it was a bad decision, not a mistake.

A mistake is grabbing blue socks, thinking they were black. Taking a substance, unless it was marked incorrectly, results from a decision (good or bad).

FWIW - I've made a ton of bad decisions. None of the were mistakes.

Why be such a wordsmith or a jerk, you may ask? People are increasingly referring to intentional decisions that have bad or unforeseen consequences, as mistakes, when they really aren't. I think this is increasingly being done as a means of someone trying to reduce personal responsibility for the acts or omission they've intentionall chosen, as if it "just happened".

For example, not too long ago I heard a guy say that cheating on his wife was "the worst mistake in his life". Unless he believed he was having sex with his wife, but - surprise - the naked woman laying next to (or under) him was somehow someone else, that was hardly a mistake. I am pretty sure sticking your unit in some naked broad is almost certainly and intentional decision, not some foreseen random act, and while it may have been a bad decision, it wasn't a mistake.

I hold that old guy logic makes sense.
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You know what, this is totally fair. I ingested the thing intentionally, but without knowing what it was. I’m usually a word stickler, so I’m honestly shocked I didn’t even catch that. That being said, I think ‘mistake’ is still fair, it’s just modifying the idea of ‘take’ differently. ‘Mistake’ would be assuming past performance indicates future results (ie, assuming friend who has had good things in the past would continue to do so.) I think the cheating analogy is different in degree and not in kind, but again I think the degree would be closer to ‘Hey have this blue koolaid drink’ only to find it’s it’s kooldaid and straight everclear. Then ‘mistake,’ at least to me, implies a mistake in judgement and not directly in action.

All that being said, I do totally agree, we throw around ‘mistake’ and ‘bad decision’ like they’re interchangeable and as a result we’re complicit in our own moral failings. I also might just be needlessly splitting hairs here but again if it wasn’t interesting we wouldn’t be thinking about it. Never thought an anabolics forum would give me a contemplative evening but we leave and breathe lol. Thanks for the great reply.

edit: as I think about it, is ‘mistake’ an acceptable way to refer to false pretenses in the first place, on my part? I’m going to have to do some reading
 
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DR.D said:
3AD is just a brand name, the hormone itself is properly called Dehydroandrosterol. It's not a true PH, just an obscure adrenal H, lol.

Good luck finding anything about it online though. You'd probably have to spend hours in a large government library or medical research repository to even find it casually mentioned! I know it well though, I introduced the ingredient.

75mg/day should not be a prob. If you were only on for a few weeks your HTPA has likely bounced back already, so don't be surprised if your test levels are actually 50-100 points higher that usual with your next round of blood work. ;)
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Huh, very interesting. Just to be extra safe I’m still going through with the things mentioned previously in this thread, but does this mean that the 3AD brand name is in no way related to the 3AD see mentioned from like 2008? Idk how branding works in potentially grey market areas, but I just think it’s interesting
 
WhoopsOops said:
You know what, this is totally fair. I ingested the thing intentionally, but without knowing what it was. I’m usually a word stickler, so I’m honestly shocked I didn’t even catch that. That being said, I think ‘mistake’ is still fair, it’s just modifying the idea of ‘take’ differently. ‘Mistake’ would be assuming past performance indicates future results (ie, assuming friend who has had good things in the past would continue to do so.) I think the cheating analogy is different in degree and not in kind, but again I think the degree would be closer to ‘Hey have this blue koolaid drink’ only to find it’s it’s kooldaid and straight everclear. Then ‘mistake,’ at least to me, implies a mistake in judgement and not directly in action.

All that being said, I do totally agree, we throw around ‘mistake’ and ‘bad decision’ like they’re interchangeable and as a result we’re complicit in our own moral failings. I also might just be needlessly splitting hairs here but again if it wasn’t interesting we wouldn’t be thinking about it. Never thought an anabolics forum would give me a contemplative evening but we leave and breathe lol. Thanks for the great reply.

edit: as I think about it, is ‘mistake’ an acceptable way to refer to false pretenses in the first place, on my part? I’m going to have to do some reading
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I very much appreciate the manner in which you took my comments. They were, I promise, meant with the best of intentions. And I agree, if someone intentionally mislead (meaning lied) to you, ala' your Koolaide example, that can certainly change things.
 
WhoopsOops said:
Huh, very interesting. Just to be extra safe I’m still going through with the things mentioned previously in this thread, but does this mean that the 3AD brand name is in no way related to the 3AD see mentioned from like 2008? Idk how branding works in potentially grey market areas, but I just think it’s interesting
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The 2008 product was to contain Adrenosterone (the name 3AD because it possesses 3 carbonyl groups.) However, the product got commandeered for corporate reasons and ended up containing a combo of Androsterone and an elephant pheromone. That's another story.

Like you, I'm not up to speed with how to manage copyrights either, but the old name was available for the new product so I suggested it. 3-AD seemed quite appropriate for this ingredient also, since it emphasizes the fact that it's a legal 3-Alpha epimer, and it also served to rectify the botched 2008 product, at least in my mind. :)

So that's that. Not as interesting as you were hoping it'd be, huh?
 
Wouldn’t be surprised if there was nothing but rice flour in those caps anyway. Not a reputable company.
 
DR.D said:
The 2008 product was to contain Adrenosterone (the name 3AD because it possesses 3 carbonyl groups.) However, the product got commandeered for corporate reasons and ended up containing a combo of Androsterone and an elephant pheromone. That's another story.

Like you, I'm not up to speed with how to manage copyrights either, but the old name was available for the new product so I suggested it. 3-AD seemed quite appropriate for this ingredient also, since it emphasizes the fact that it's a legal 3-Alpha epimer, and it also served to rectify the botched 2008 product, at least in my mind. :)

So that's that. Not as interesting as you were hoping it'd be, huh?
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I mean your post here is basically more info than anyone can find online so I’d say it’s still pretty interesting lol.

Also, (not to try have potentially have you divulge trade secrets or break an NDA), could you elaborate more on what this current EL 3-AD consists of/how it’s really working? Your one post could be the first place online where the info is actually collated and presented lol. Again I have basically no idea how this industry works other than what I've skimmed off of here in the past few hours so if that’s not a things that I can ask then no worries. (Mainly I have no idea what an epimer is and how it works in this context but it’d be cool to learn)
 
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DR.D said:
3AD is just a brand name, the hormone itself is properly called Dehydroandrosterol. It's not a true PH, just an obscure adrenal H, lol.

Good luck finding anything about it online though. You'd probably have to spend hours in a large government library or medical research repository to even find it casually mentioned! I know it well though, I introduced the ingredient.

75mg/day should not be a prob. If you were only on for a few weeks your HTPA has likely bounced back already, so don't be surprised if your test levels are actually 50-100 points higher that usual with your next round of blood work. ;)
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This is pretty much it, ppl in this thread acting like OP overdosed on Tren but in reality the 3-AD that’s sold today is not even a PH.

OP, the only reason I’m not recommending you to take it is because it’s useless, but you’ll fine so relax.
 
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WhoopsOops said:
I mean your post here is basically more info than anyone can find online so I’d say it’s still pretty interesting lol.

Also, (not to try have potentially have you divulge trade secrets or break an NDA), could you elaborate more on what this current EL 3-AD consists of/how it’s really working? Your one post could be the first place online where the info is actually collated and presented lol. Again I have basically no idea how this industry works other than what I've skimmed off of here in the past few hours so if that’s not a things that I can ask then no worries. (Mainly I have no idea what an epimer is and how it works in this context but it’d be cool to learn)
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Dr. D has always been a wealth of information, going "way back".
 
Rad83 said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if there was nothing but rice flour in those caps anyway. Not a reputable company.
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You and BigGame may be correct. Is this an EL product? If so, what is the lot and expiration on the bottle? Or even a pic of the label would help.

I haven't seen any proof of licencing from them in at least 3 years, so if it was produced more recently than that, there's probably something fishy going on.

Honestly, Tony seems like another slick businessman, and I've gotten zero commissions from anybody for 3AD products in a long, long time, so it saddens me that the 3AD name is associated with such a disreputable company.

You know me, Rad. My highest priority has always been to retain a superior ethical standard. Unfortunately, this one is out of my hands now. :confused:
 
Beau said:
Dr. D has always been a wealth of information, going "way back".
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Thanks B, but we both know how intelligent you are. I can only imagine how hard it must be for guys like you to deal with cretins like us! But thanks for taking the time to do it though, because your insights are still just as ruthless and accurate as ever. ;)
 
DR.D said:
Oh boy, once again it's on! Lol

I'm going back to just sitting here, and thinking to myself about the things I'm not supposed to talk about. 🙄
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Oh **** he started the thread yesterday morning. I was 9 hrs too late.

R.I.P. WHOOPSIE 2024 🙌
 
I wonder if there is even dehydroandrosterol in the pills. They seem to be the only company selling it in oral form and I have heard some people claiming it might not be so legit.
 
WhoopsOops said:
I was just taking the recommended dose on the bottle (75mg), though I might have missed a day or two (which I realize isn’t a lot out of like 18 days lol).

As for natty supplements, that’s actually how I found this forum in the first place lol, but yeah I’ll be sure to stick with those for a good long while before I look at anything else. And before I accept random pills blindly lol.

I’ve got a testosterone test in my cart on let’s get checked so I may as well go and finish that order
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i think you will be okay .. impossible to actually know without blood test but as precaution as someone stated jump on testboosters and maybe a natural muscle builder.

look around forum and you will find few .. as someone stated above CEL Mtest is a great choice

Here is a quick breakdown of some great supplements and staples you will find reviews on here.
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DR.D said:
You and BigGame may be correct. Is this an EL product? If so, what is the lot and expiration on the bottle? Or even a pic of the label would help.

I haven't seen any proof of licencing from them in at least 3 years, so if it was produced more recently than that, there's probably something fishy going on.

Honestly, Tony seems like another slick businessman, and I've gotten zero commissions from anybody for 3AD products in a long, long time, so it saddens me that the 3AD name is associated with such a disreputable company.

You know me, Rad. My highest priority has always been to retain a superior ethical standard. Unfortunately, this one is out of my hands now. :confused:
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Lot# 011012 exp 9/2024 is what I have. Purchased 12/2021.
 
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BigGame84 said:
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Also have this. Which I have a better feeling about being legit.
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hell yea love juicy line .. ill take that line over enchanced labs all day long .. not fan of them
 
DR.D said:
Thanks B, but we both know how intelligent you are. I can only imagine how hard it must be for guys like you to deal with cretins like us! But thanks for taking the time to do it though, because your insights are still just as ruthless and accurate as ever. ;)
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Hardly - I've learned every time you post.
 
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Lot# 011012 exp 9/2024 is what I have. Purchased 12/2021.
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That label art looks fairly legit, but I never tested any products that were 37.5mg/cap, so it may be a boot-leg. The 2 products using that label that I analyzed were 5mg (woman's version) and 25mg/cap.

The Juicy product is completely foreign to me, so I can't vouch for it either.

If I had to guess, they are both unsanctioned products. That's not to say they don't contain DHA, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Juicy and Enhanced (not the Tony brand) were from an old sponsor brand that was trusted here. The enhanced brand was legit, so I suspect the Juicy is too. @ZOO is no longer an active member.

Later on Iconic got the last raws they could and made a transdermal that was very nice.

So I have many doubts what Tony is selling as 3AD. Seems like it's gone.
 
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